Anyone read the Ladder Theory ??? if not [url="http://www.intellectualwhores.com "]Go here[/url]

EDIT: The site does not contain illegal/against-the-forum-rules material

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Interesting read. It made my bookmarks list a while back before the last big reformat.

I've read that... very interesting   

Wow, I've never read anything more tr00 than that.

chillin @ jp forum since 2003

Yeah, that's pretty damn accurate.

Yup. I regret to say that I have functioned as both an "Intellectual Whore" AND a "Cuddle Bitch". I was shooting for "Friends with Benefits" on the "Cuddle Bitch" front, but obviously I was on the wrong ladder.  This ladder thing is sort of intuitive, and I am sure there are minor deviations depending on personality, but it's still a good representation of a very true phenomenon. Kudos to the dude who put that site together! 

Maybe it's just because I'm an anomoly among women.  Maybe it's because I'm a good woman.  But this "Ladder Theory" really ticks me off.
 
I care less about a man's financial situation or how much "power" he has, and that a woman who bases her relationships with men on such a thing are shallow, idiotic bitches who are only out for themselves.  True, there are women like that out there, but they give those of us who are less concerned with these "qualities" (although I'd be hard pressed to identify such characteristics in that manner) a bad name.  As for men who are assholes?  They can kiss my ass--men like that don't deserve my attention, and the women they do get to be "into" them are usually either just as blind and stupid, or have their own vandetta.

This site tries to "translate" "woman-speak" i. e.:
Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man

I know that when I say that I want a man who knows how to treat a woman, I want a man who, DESPITE his background, can love, respect and honor me the way I would love, respect and honor him in a healthy, loving relationship. 
 
How about another?
 
Says: I want a man who is motivated and has goals.
Means: I want a rich man

When I say that I want a man who is motivated and has goals, I mean that I want a man who doens't sit on his ass all day and eat potato chips whils fapping off to pr0n and getting evicted from apartments while his current residence is crawling with insects feeding off weeks-old trash, etc.  If you really want to break it down, "motivated" = isn't a slob and "has goals" = can go out and work for the benefit of himself.
 
Anyway, I could go on.  But in a nutshell, the Ladder Theory is just that:  a theory.  And for women like me, it's complete bullshit and an insult to our characters, and the characters of the men in our lives.  Just because the author is more than likely a bitter misogynist who feels the need to generalize all women as shallow bitches doesn't mean that all women are.
 
Honestly. 

http://www.last.fm/user/becomethesea

ORIGINAL: Become_The_Sea

Maybe it's just because I'm an anomoly among women.  Maybe it's because I'm a good woman.  But this "Ladder Theory" really ticks me off.

I care less about a man's financial situation or how much "power" he has, and that a woman who bases her relationships with men on such a thing are shallow, idiotic bitches who are only out for themselves.  True, there are women like that out there, but they give those of us who are less concerned with these "qualities" (although I'd be hard pressed to identify such characteristics in that manner) a bad name.  As for men who are assholes?  They can kiss my ass--men like that don't deserve my attention, and the women they do get to be "into" them are usually either just as blind and stupid, or have their own vandetta.

This site tries to "translate" "woman-speak" i. e.:
Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man

I know that when I say that I want a man who knows how to treat a woman, I want a man who, DESPITE his background, can love, respect and honor me the way I would love, respect and honor him in a healthy, loving relationship. 

How about another?

Says: I want a man who is motivated and has goals.
Means: I want a rich man

When I say that I want a man who is motivated and has goals, I mean that I want a man who doens't sit on his ass all day and eat potato chips whils fapping off to pr0n and getting evicted from apartments while his current residence is crawling with insects feeding off weeks-old trash, etc.  If you really want to break it down, "motivated" = isn't a slob and "has goals" = can go out and work for the benefit of himself.

Anyway, I could go on.  But in a nutshell, the Ladder Theory is just that:  a theory.  And for women like me, it's complete bullshit and an insult to our characters, and the characters of the men in our lives.  Just because the author is more than likely a bitter misogynist who feels the need to generalize all women as shallow bitches doesn't mean that all women are.

Honestly. 

Yeah, I disagree with those attraction pie charts too, I think that the content therein is highly variable (i.e. that which makes someone attractive to you). I wouldn't put the "Estimated Chance she'll Put Out Quickly" at 10% on my chart, it is for all intents and purposes negligible. Physical attraction is important, but the guy who made the site really didn't take into account things like compatibility, shared interests, etc., which I think play a crucial role in assigning people to rungs on the ladder, in fact, THE MOST crucial role.

The other thing he doesn't take into account is the difference between girls that guys will have sex with, and girls that guys want a relationship with. In fact, the ladder thing is really JUST about sex from the guy's perspective, when in fact, there are some guys who want more than that (more than he realises).

But I do find the ladder a good way to visualise what I have seen happen to myself and others, from a sexual point of view.

Mainly, i dont agree with his theory, but he has some valid points here and there

{o,o} |)__) -"-"- O RLY?

ORIGINAL: Become_The_Sea

Maybe it's just because I'm an anomoly among women.  Maybe it's because I'm a good woman.  But this "Ladder Theory" really ticks me off.

I care less about a man's financial situation or how much "power" he has, and that a woman who bases her relationships with men on such a thing are shallow, idiotic bitches who are only out for themselves.  True, there are women like that out there, but they give those of us who are less concerned with these "qualities" (although I'd be hard pressed to identify such characteristics in that manner) a bad name.  As for men who are assholes?  They can kiss my ass--men like that don't deserve my attention, and the women they do get to be "into" them are usually either just as blind and stupid, or have their own vandetta.

This site tries to "translate" "woman-speak" i. e.:
Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man

I know that when I say that I want a man who knows how to treat a woman, I want a man who, DESPITE his background, can love, respect and honor me the way I would love, respect and honor him in a healthy, loving relationship. 

How about another?

Says: I want a man who is motivated and has goals.
Means: I want a rich man

When I say that I want a man who is motivated and has goals, I mean that I want a man who doens't sit on his ass all day and eat potato chips whils fapping off to pr0n and getting evicted from apartments while his current residence is crawling with insects feeding off weeks-old trash, etc.  If you really want to break it down, "motivated" = isn't a slob and "has goals" = can go out and work for the benefit of himself.

Anyway, I could go on.  But in a nutshell, the Ladder Theory is just that:  a theory.  And for women like me, it's complete bullshit and an insult to our characters, and the characters of the men in our lives.  Just because the author is more than likely a bitter misogynist who feels the need to generalize all women as shallow bitches doesn't mean that all women are.

Honestly. 

You are not alone, although your club is rather exclusive :)
My wife is very much  the same, and I could not have asked for a more real, down to earth, awesome person to spend my life with!

ORIGINAL: mandrake

Mainly, i dont agree with his theory, but he has some valid points here and there

+1


Some little points here and there really do make sense....

..::Peace. Love. Harmony. Minor 3rds::..

In my experience, I fell into the abyss trying to jump from the real ladder, as a friend with benefits, to the friends ladder.  You can get fucked jumping either way.

ORIGINAL: Become_The_Sea

Maybe it's just because I'm an anomoly among women.  Maybe it's because I'm a good woman.  But this "Ladder Theory" really ticks me off.

I care less about a man's financial situation or how much "power" he has, and that a woman who bases her relationships with men on such a thing are shallow, idiotic bitches who are only out for themselves.  True, there are women like that out there, but they give those of us who are less concerned with these "qualities" (although I'd be hard pressed to identify such characteristics in that manner) a bad name.  As for men who are assholes?  They can kiss my ass--men like that don't deserve my attention, and the women they do get to be "into" them are usually either just as blind and stupid, or have their own vandetta.

This site tries to "translate" "woman-speak" i. e.:
Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man

I know that when I say that I want a man who knows how to treat a woman, I want a man who, DESPITE his background, can love, respect and honor me the way I would love, respect and honor him in a healthy, loving relationship. 

How about another?

Says: I want a man who is motivated and has goals.
Means: I want a rich man

When I say that I want a man who is motivated and has goals, I mean that I want a man who doens't sit on his ass all day and eat potato chips whils fapping off to pr0n and getting evicted from apartments while his current residence is crawling with insects feeding off weeks-old trash, etc.  If you really want to break it down, "motivated" = isn't a slob and "has goals" = can go out and work for the benefit of himself.

Anyway, I could go on.  But in a nutshell, the Ladder Theory is just that:  a theory.  And for women like me, it's complete bullshit and an insult to our characters, and the characters of the men in our lives.  Just because the author is more than likely a bitter misogynist who feels the need to generalize all women as shallow bitches doesn't mean that all women are.

Honestly. 

I agree with and sadly women like you are minority in this world. In fact I think you are like the second on I ever met on my whole life.

http://mikepetrucci.deviantart.com/

ORIGINAL: Become_The_Sea

Maybe it's just because I'm an anomoly among women. Maybe it's because I'm a good woman. But this "Ladder Theory" really ticks me off.

I care less about a man's financial situation or how much "power" he has...

Please keep this statement in mind during my retort.

Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man

I know that when I say that I want a man who knows how to treat a woman, I want a man who, DESPITE his background, can love, respect and honor me the way I would love, respect and honor him in a healthy, loving relationship.

By background, it will be assumed in this argument that you mean social/monetary status.

Your statement sounds valid; however, your second statement invalidates both of your above statements, and reveals the truth and accuracy of the ladder theory:

Says: I want a man who is motivated and has goals.
Means: I want a rich man

When I say that I want a man who is motivated and has goals, I mean that I want a man who doens't sit on his ass all day and eat potato chips whils fapping off to pr0n and getting evicted from apartments while his current residence is crawling with insects feeding off weeks-old trash, etc.

This is where you reveal your inner contradiction. The above person has no job (because he's sitting on his ass all day eating potato chips). That can of course be countered by saying rich people sometimes have no jobs (i.e., born into money). However, you continue to incriminate yourself by saying he's being evicted from his apartment. This implies strongly a lack of one thing: money.

You do not like a man who cannot keep from being evicted from his apartment; unless he's a criminal, this task requires only money. Ergo, you do not like a man without money.

If you really want to break it down, "motivated" = isn't a slob and "has goals" = can go out and work for the benefit of himself.

The theory never stated explicitly that the money had to be spent on you. However, having the money is obviously more attractive than not having it, even in your above attempted counter-example. The motivation = can go out and work simply brings the point home: you want a man who's earning money.

It comes down to a spectrum of tolerances: your "minimum attractive income requirement" is likely much less than, say, Paris Hilton's. This is a good thing for society in general, and you should be commended; if only others were as flexible as you in that regard.

However, there is still a minimum, as evidenced in your statements, and that simply goes to further the validity of the ladder theory.

Just because the author is more than likely a bitter misogynist who feels the need to generalize all women as shallow bitches doesn't mean that all women are.

I'll finish with a piece from the ladder's website:

Criticism:You're just bitter.
Answer:Maybe I am. But ladder theory made me that way, my bitterness did not make ladder theory. Attack the theory, not the person behind it.

Criticism:Do you expect to get laid when you have this whole site devoted to how much you hate women?
Answer:First off, this is a forum for my narcissism. As to hatred of women -- if that's what you think then you are clearly projecting your guilt about being a bitch onto me. Not a single woman who wasn't a bitch has ever complained about misogyny at this site. I can prove this on an abacus.

I'd also like to add a post-script: I'm being mildly sarcastic, and mostly playing in the way the ladder theory is mostly just playing with truisms of social interaction. All in good fun.

To manifest your dreams before you manifest your fears
To navigate beyond the treachery of self despair
To find the balance between all you sense and all you see
To find the patience and the strength it takes to let it be

howzabout this:
 
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/writing/rant04.html -- ode to the nice guys.

General Manager - Easy Music Center - Honolulu, Hawaii
http://www.easymusiccenter.com

... and money and "power" is directly related in this theory to alpha male or beta male... i.e: women could date Bill Gates but could as easily cheat on him with Russell Crowe, Bill Gates has more money and power than Russell Crowe, however... Russell Crowe is the alpha male of the two. And you have to consider that in relation to "power"... "good guys" never get the hot chick for that same reason, they have no balls and no self-confidence so they have no "power", as opposed to the alpha males.
 
There's more to the pie charts than what they literally say, in general they are correct, but you have to take it a little further to really understand every detail about them.

ORIGINAL: SymphonyOfDreams

... and money and "power" is directly related in this theory to alpha male or beta male... i.e: women could date Bill Gates but could as easily cheat on him with Russell Crowe, Bill Gates has more money and power than Russell Crowe, however... Russell Crowe is the alpha male of the two. And you have to consider that in relation to "power"... "good guys" never get the hot chick for that same reason, they have no balls and no self-confidence so they have no "power", as opposed to the alpha males.

There's more to the pie charts than what they literally say, in general they are correct, but you have to take it a little further to really understand every detail about them.

Exactly right, SoD. Exactly right.

To manifest your dreams before you manifest your fears
To navigate beyond the treachery of self despair
To find the balance between all you sense and all you see
To find the patience and the strength it takes to let it be

not the first time:

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=382821&mpage=1&key=ladder+theory&#382856

hey that's nice chris. And about the ladder theory, I think it's totally wrong in the girl's department and has a feeeeeeeew points in the men's. Well, back to my coldfusion lines.

"Serious dreamers always can afford the dreamin'"

ORIGINAL: BigDrahma

By background, it will be assumed in this argument that you mean social/monetary status.

 
"it will be assumed"???
 
Thanks.  Don't you know what ASSUME goes to do?    That post was really uncalled for.

http://www.last.fm/user/becomethesea

ORIGINAL: Become_The_Sea

ORIGINAL: BigDrahma

By background, it will be assumed in this argument that you mean social/monetary status.

"it will be assumed"???

Thanks. Don't you know what ASSUME goes to do? That post was really uncalled for.

In this thread, it will be assumed you have no sense of humor.

I will now direct you to my postscript:

I'm being mildly sarcastic, and mostly playing in the way the ladder theory is mostly just playing with truisms of social interaction. All in good fun.

In other words, lighten up.

To manifest your dreams before you manifest your fears
To navigate beyond the treachery of self despair
To find the balance between all you sense and all you see
To find the patience and the strength it takes to let it be

LAY OFF THE GIRL YO!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
/me defends with +9 hitpoints.

General Manager - Easy Music Center - Honolulu, Hawaii
http://www.easymusiccenter.com

I'm working on a badass reply on this... it may take me a while, and I'll probably make a new thread for it.
 
I'm going to explain attraction in a nutshell. Don't buy into this Ladder Theory crap... Anyways, stay tuned.

must...practice...more....

is it gonna be like playing double bass?!!
 

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http://www.easymusiccenter.com

Heheh, yeah, actually. This "article" will actually be better than my double bass article, I think.
 
My two biggest interests- drumming and women...

must...practice...more....

it's only a theory 

I really wanna read another opinion from a female (aside BTS), nothing personal, its just that i want to read different opinions 

{o,o} |)__) -"-"- O RLY?

I love female opinions... even though (believe it or not) 99% of them don't know what causes their own attraction!
 
And... my article is NOT a theory, but reality!  You'll see...
 
Hehe- I'm hyping the hell out of this. I better make it damn good!

must...practice...more....

ORIGINAL: cjcdrums

I love female opinions...

I like females with REALLY BIG opinions...
 
haha j/k.  i like 'em small.  opinions that is.
 
wait what?

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I hate girls who have fake opinions. Especially if its really obvious they're fake...

The car is on fire,
And there's no driver at the wheel.
And the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides,
And a dark wind blows.

actually i know a few girls with fake opinions, and well, wow. not too fake, if you know what i mean.

General Manager - Easy Music Center - Honolulu, Hawaii
http://www.easymusiccenter.com

As long as its not over the top

The car is on fire,
And there's no driver at the wheel.
And the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides,
And a dark wind blows.

God, this thing is taking hours... I hope you guys like detail.

must...practice...more....

i love close-up details of women's opinions.
 
 
jeez that joke is almost as old as the drumline joke!!! ok, not even close.  i need to post this about 1million more times.

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And make several polls about them. And change your avatars. And signatures... and profiles...

must...practice...more....

Most girls can't even be honest with themselves on why they're attracted to certain guys, they're just stupid. If you think a girl is being honest with you, you're either a fool or inexperienced.

chillin @ jp forum since 2003

ORIGINAL: Zepp3lin

Most girls can't even be honest with themselves on why they're attracted to certain guys, they're just stupid. If you think a girl is being honest with you, you're either a fool or inexperienced.

I'm not feminist, but that was a pretty harsh statement....

{o,o} |)__) -"-"- O RLY?

ORIGINAL: Zepp3lin

Most girls can't even be honest with themselves on why they're attracted to certain guys, they're just stupid. If you think a girl is being honest with you, you're either a fool or inexperienced.

 
So you're saying most women are stupid and liars?
 
Is there something we don't know here that you need to share with us?

must...practice...more....

EDIT: I'm making a new thread for this- "Attraction 101"
 
Alright, kiddies, here's how female attraction works.

***MALE STATUS = MATING OPPORTUNITES***

The objective of the female (although she may not be aware of this) is to select a male that will produce attractive offsping. The reason being, is that attractive offspring will obtain mating opportunities. Which will lead to more attractive offspring, and so on.

SEX IS A SURVIVAL MECHANISM. By choosing an attractive mate, you ensure that your children will be more attractive, and thusly have more opportunities to reproduce. The entire point of reproduction is to make sure that your genes are passed on.

So what is attraction? It is a CHEMICAL response that is triggered when certain conditions are met. Namely, the encounter of a male with high status.

Why high status? Because the male with the highest status, or "Alpha Male", is dominant in the social heirchy of the species. He is dominant because of certain attributes he was BORN with that make him the best equipped for survival. For instance, he might be the best hunter or fighter, BECAUSE he is the strongest or fiercest.

Over time, females became wired to respond chemically to the attributes that INDICATE high status, because indirectly, their children would be more likely to continue passing on their genes.

In humans, many things indicate high status.

A high status male has his life together, because having your life together is beneficial for survival. And a guy that has his life together has attributes that women look for that IMPLY that he has high status!

Still with me here?

So when a guy has a lot of money, it CONTRIBUTES to the appearance that he has his life together, which shows that he has a high probability for survival, which shows that he has genes that would produce resilient (and therefore attractive) offspring.

The confusing thing is that there are many things (good looks, wealth, power, influence, nice clothes/shoes/teeth, lots of friends with looks, money, etc.) that IMPLY male status, and as a result are more initially attractive to women. Notice I said attractive, and not attraction-triggering. Many things can be attractive, and still not lead to attraction. Of course, many guys wrongly think that these status-indicators (like looks) are the object or reason of attraction...

But these attributes are only INDICATORS, and not the actual qualities which they are attracted to, unless they have some ulterior motive.

God, this is a huge subject. I could talk about it for days.

Here are a few things to consider:

Women perceive high status in the exact same way we perceive physical beauty. In other words, we feel attraction when a "10" walks in a room, and they feel attraction when they talk to a high status male. We as men are wired to respond to women that physically show good child-bearing qualities, and they are wired to respond to men with high status, because these alpha males are great at survival.

Attraction is not a choice.
Whether or not she is attracted to you, there is nothing SHE can do about it. Many guys think that if they are just super nice to a girl, she will somehow DECIDE to feel attraction for them. But that's just not how it works. You cannot convince a girl to like you.

Being nice to women DOES NOT cause attraction.
Buying women dinners, drinks, flowers, chocolate, jewelery or gifts of any kind will NOT buy your way into their heart. Similarly, just telling a women your "feelings" will also not buy your way into their heart.

If you want to cause attraction, you have to know what triggers it. Go to the guys who are REALLY good with women- one thing ties them ALL together, regardless of their personality, background, culture, looks, nationality, age, or anything. They all have HIGH STATUS, which manefests itself into a number of qualities, including but not limited to the following:

-confidence in speech and body language

-the total absence of neediness, dependancy or desparation

-ability to LITERALLY treat her like a lady while simulteaneously VERBALLY busting on her / using arrogant humor (a.k.a. "cocky and funny")

-unpredictability, a sense of adventure, or sponteaneaty

-intelligence, expertise, education, sophistication/class/"culture"

-enthusiasm, happiness, contentment

-dominance, passion, motivational aggressiveness (towards acheiving a goal)

etc. etc. etc.

Sooo.... hmm. Where to go from here. Ah, yes. More things to consider.
 
Women hate this conversation...
Him: So, now we're on a date... where do you want to go?
Her: Oh, where ever you want to go...
Him: OK, well it doesn't matter to me, so where do YOU want to go?
Her: I don't care, where ever YOU want to go!

They just don't like guys that try to cater to their every whim. It's annoying to them. We as guys think that it is a part of treating women right, but really, they WANT you to be the man. Be decisive. Know where you are going and what you're doing, and bring them for FUN, and don't make it look like your universe revolves around them.
If you are too eager to just be around them, you are demonstrating low status. The high status man can be with virtually any woman, and doesn't care about his outcome with any certain woman, because if it doesn't work out he can always get another!
As a result, he doesn't try too hard to be the perfect gentleman with her. He treats her like his bratty little sister. He makes fun of her (teasingly, not maliciously), and he just has a good time around her, and is not out to try and impress her.

Always leave the interaction a little bit too early. It keeps things from getting stale. Remember: you can't bore a woman into attraction! If you bore her, whether it's talking too much on the phone, or just wearing out your welcome,  she will be less interested. That's a fact. So the less normal boring chit-chat the better (of the "where did you go to school" "how's your relationship with your parents" "how did work go today" variety). Keep your topics fun, controversial, dramatic, scandalous, FUNNY and INTERESTING.

Another thing: Don't project YOUR interest as hers. If you are in love with some girl, your mind will tend to bend reality into something it's not! Just because you like her doesn't mean she likes you as much. On a interest scale of 100%, with 50% being the threshold of positive attraction and 100% being the highest, her interest level could be just over 50%, and yours could be at 90%, but because you like her so much, you are BLINDED to what's happening right in front of you, and so you think everything is fine while her interest in you is slipping!

That's why a lot of failed relationships come as a shock to so many guys. They never knew what hit them, because they didn't realize that their girl was slowly building resentment against them, losing interest. It gets to the point where she just can't stand it any more, and she has lost whatever attraction she had for the guy, because of all the stupid mistakes he made! Meanwhile, the guy thinks that she suddenly lost interest overnight, because his ego can't accept the fact that he slowly killed her interest over a period of time...

Women test guys ALL the time...
They do it by making demands, complaining, being melodramatic, and being a pain in general. If she you feel her testing you, the thing to do is to show them you won't be controlled. If she arbitrarily tells you she doesn't like Dream Theater, don't cower and change your opinion to fit her worldview! Tell her with a half-serious expression that she might not want to be your friend, because that is literally all you listen to.  If she complains about something about you, tell her that you're glad she noticed. Have fun with this!

If she starts whining about something stupid, put her in her place! Don't become her therapist, make fun of her for whining like a two year old! Let her know that you as a person don't accept less than first-class behavior.
Here is the mindset you need to adopt: she is a guest in your reality. If she (or anyone else, for that matter) behaves poorly, then they are not welcome.
This will get you thinking like a high status male.

Of course, your actual long-term goal should be to literally BECOME a high status male by eliminating your low-status attributes and behaviors. Pretending to be something you are not will only be counter-productive, because it shows incongruency in your behavior, which is a low-status trait. It shows that you have to be manipulative in order to get something you want, which is inherently a VERY needy thing to do.

What I'm saying might seem inconsistant with itself, but think about it: if you over time become an alpha male through constant self-improvement, then you will naturally attract women. You won't need any special techniques or strategies to improve your successfulness; they will just become a part of who you are.

But let me explain for a minute the idea of congruency. Back in high school, if you look at the popular kids, they could literally get away with ANYTHING! They had their high-status worldview together, and didn't care how others viewed them, because they already had their identity developed.

Here's a great application of this idea of congruency. This whole Drumline / 0671! episode, where EVERYONE and their friggin' grandmother got in on the joke. There were numerous polls and avatar changes, and everyone was cool with it. Even Wey! Whatever happened to rule 8: "No flame wars or excessive "bullshit" posts. Excessive nonsense posts or posts that are determined to be off the topic of the thread will be deleted, and repeat offenses will get banned."?

First of all, if some n00b were to request separating a few numbers from his username, would Wey do it? Hell no! Furthermore, if for some reason Wey DID do it, and a few months later the last few numbers came back and started making bullshit posts about the separation, what do you suppose would happen?

So how did Kevin get away with it? He is 1.) high status on this messageboard and 2.) he was congruent when he did it, because his identity is already firmly established. He got away with it because as a high-status person, he had the congruency to make it work!

Chicks are VERY perceptive of intentions, and if you try to do something manipulative with them, they will sense it immediately. BUT if your behavior stems from who you are, instead of who you are pretending to be, then you will be congruent and whatever "technique" you want to use will work.

Well, I've babbled on long enough. If you guys REALLY want success with women and dating, you will DO YOUR HOMEWORK and RESEARCH the topic, as I have. Get rid of your preconcieved notions about this stuff, as a lot of the truth is actually counter-intuitive! It doesn't make sense at first glance, but when you look at reality, and accept things for HOW THEY ARE instead of how you think they should be, things really do make sense. There are many invaluable resources out there that I've gotten a lot of this stuff from, and I think every guy out there, if he can manage to be honest with himself and set his ego aside, can stand to benefit GREATLY from this stuff.

I'd be happy to answer any questions... as many as I can as time permits me.

Notice: this material is subject to updates and additions, so stay tuned...

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