Hey MP! Do you have any insight to this? (Queensryche incident in Brazil)

As reported on The Breakdown Room:
http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=2665.0

This just in.  This came directly from somebody backstage at the show...but alledgedly, Susan Tate is no longer the manager of Queensryche.  And at the show a couple of weeks ago in Brazil, alledgedly Geoff Tate lost his shit backstage and assaulted two members of the band right before they went on stage!  He alledgedly punched one in the face and then turned on another and hit him twice and busted up his lip.

Security intervened and separated GT from the rest of the band and after a delay decided to go forward with the show...but then alledgedly, GT then proceeded to spit on several members of the band during the show.

Anybody else can verify this or have heard anything else about this?

And in matter of support, here is a blog post from Brazil that provides some additional color...again, all of this is alledgedly at this point...

http://collectorsroom.blogspot.com/2012/05/tem-algo-de-errado-acontecendo-com-o.html  (use Google translator as it is in Portegese)

If this is true, then so much for Geoff Tate being a pacifist...

 
Mike, you were there playing with Fates Warning. Did you see anything like this happen? Do you have any perspective you can offer to the situation?

I'm quite sure IF it happened that MP would not comment. That's another bands
dirty laundry.
 
I watched several vids from that show and didn't see anything.

Yeah, cause offering perspectives on something like this and meddling in internal affairs of another band is TOTALLY in his interest. ;)

I'd say you won't hear anything about this until that band is either done or there is a lineup change. Does anyone still care about Queenswreck anyway? I mean, just how many idiotic stunts can the band pull before losing what's left of its fans?

This whole thing smells - how are they the only place to report this?  And it doesn't say anything about Susan not being the manager anymore, except in the blog post, which has nothing to back it up?  I'm gonna bet on this being either a blown-up incident as a result of the telephone game, or a complete fabrication.

That's why I thought I would at least ask if MP saw anything like what happened. Even if he had no additional commentary, he could at least verify the altercation, assuming that it actually happened and he happened to witness it. A long shot I know, but it never hurts to ask...

ShadowWalker


That's why I thought I would at least ask if MP saw anything like what happened. Even if he had no additional commentary, he could at least verify the altercation, assuming that it actually happened and he happened to witness it. A long shot I know, but it never hurts to ask...

I'm pretty sure that MP wouldn't want to comment on this even if it was just to confirm whether something happened or not. I don't think he would want to be the first "official" source reporting any incident.

I find it amusing that anyone would think any of this is important enough to be concerned about who commented on it.

On Eddie Trunk's SiriusXM show a couple of weeks ago, he said a very vague blurb that perhaps all was not good at that show.  It was never brought up again and he even had a phoner with GT a week or two later where it was not brought up.  Then again, GT said he got to hang with his "friend" Mike Portnoy- and while I'm sure it's civil between them, he sounded more like he was talking about an old pal!

That brazilian article says Geoff Tate tried to attack Scott Rockenfield with a knife. That's bananas!

sarcophage


This whole thing smells - how are they the only place to report this?  And it doesn't say anything about Susan not being the manager anymore, except in the blog post, which has nothing to back it up?  I'm gonna bet on this being either a blown-up incident as a result of the telephone game, or a complete fabrication.

Collector's Room is not the kind of website that fabricates news. I know this is weird news, but please refrain from this kind of accusations. Collector's Room is probably the most honest and humble brazillian music news website these days.
This is what they wrote in the end of the article.

- todas as matérias que vão ao ar na Collector's Room são checadas e rechecadas antes para comprovar a veracidade dos fatos
- nos acusaram de inventar que o Lynyrd Skynyrd tocaria no Brasil, e dois meses depois a banda confirmou a sua primeira apresentação em nosso país
- nos acusaram de alimentar a esperança dos fãs do Black Sabbath sobre uma possível reunião da formação original, e quase noventa dias depois que publicamos a notícia, ela se confirmou
- e, mais recentemente, nos acusaram de tentar boicotar o festival Metal Open Air publicando "boatos" sobre cancelamentos de shows, que, como se viu, não tinham nada de boatos e, infelizmente, foram confirmados, frustrando as milhares de pessoas que se deslocaram até São Luís, no Maranhão, para assistir o festival de suas vidas e presenciaram o maior fiasco da história do metal brasileiro

Translating loosely, it says that all of their news are thoroughly checked to see if they're all indeed true. They said Lynyrd Skynyrd would come to Brazil 2 months before they announce they would, They said Black Sabbath would reunite 90 days before the band announced anything and they had scoop on how Metal Open Air (brazillian event) was going to be cancelled. So no, they're not bullshitting anyone. They never did.
If you know at least a couple of things about how QR works these days, you know it's not surprising they're having problems inside the band. It's surprising that Geoff would attack someone(with a knife, even!), but honestly, it was bound to happen eventually. The way Tate lies in every interview and diminishes his old and current band mates just wouldn't go too far.

I have no problem believing that this happened. QR is a novelty act these days anyway. Although I do think that Susan no longer managing the band would be an overwhelmingly positive development. She's led QR around by Tate's sack for far too long.

If GT spit on another band member while on stage, he's lucky he didn't get his clocked cleaned right on stage. It's one thing to punch a guy back stage and a completely different thing to spit on someone on stage.
 
IF that happened, he's lucky to have been able to finish the show.

If he was on stage with MP, "The Llama" would win that contest. GT would need a spit guard LOL.

Grivu

sarcophage


This whole thing smells - how are they the only place to report this?  And it doesn't say anything about Susan not being the manager anymore, except in the blog post, which has nothing to back it up?  I'm gonna bet on this being either a blown-up incident as a result of the telephone game, or a complete fabrication.

Collector's Room is not the kind of website that fabricates news. I know this is weird news, but please refrain from this kind of accusations. Collector's Room is probably the most honest and humble brazillian music news website these days.
This is what they wrote in the end of the article.

- todas as matérias que vão ao ar na Collector's Room são checadas e rechecadas antes para comprovar a veracidade dos fatos
- nos acusaram de inventar que o Lynyrd Skynyrd tocaria no Brasil, e dois meses depois a banda confirmou a sua primeira apresentação em nosso país
- nos acusaram de alimentar a esperança dos fãs do Black Sabbath sobre uma possível reunião da formação original, e quase noventa dias depois que publicamos a notícia, ela se confirmou
- e, mais recentemente, nos acusaram de tentar boicotar o festival Metal Open Air publicando "boatos" sobre cancelamentos de shows, que, como se viu, não tinham nada de boatos e, infelizmente, foram confirmados, frustrando as milhares de pessoas que se deslocaram até São Luís, no Maranhão, para assistir o festival de suas vidas e presenciaram o maior fiasco da história do metal brasileiro

Translating loosely, it says that all of their news are thoroughly checked to see if they're all indeed true. They said Lynyrd Skynyrd would come to Brazil 2 months before they announce they would, They said Black Sabbath would reunite 90 days before the band announced anything and they had scoop on how Metal Open Air (brazillian event) was going to be cancelled. So no, they're not bullshitting anyone. They never did.
If you know at least a couple of things about how QR works these days, you know it's not surprising they're having problems inside the band. It's surprising that Geoff would attack someone(with a knife, even!), but honestly, it was bound to happen eventually. The way Tate lies in every interview and diminishes his old and current band mates just wouldn't go too far.

Come on, dude, I wasn't trying to accuse anyone of anything - but saying "all is not well in QR these days" is not the same thing as "Geoff Tate attacked Scott Rockenfeld with a knife and they fired Tate's wife from being manager!"   This may very well turn out to be true, but it's quite hard to believe when all we know is what was posted on that site and nowhere else - at least as far as I know.  I'm sure Collector's Room isn't making stuff up - but that doesn't mean a journalist from the paper was standing right there when it happened.  They dont' have a named source - it's just still very sketchy; no guarantee all the facts are right. 

We interviewed GT on our show right around the time the last record came out. While he comes across smug and "much smarter then all of us", I didnt get the impression that he hates anyone in his band. At least not enough to hurt them. But I did get the sense that QR is HIS band and he's in charge.
We talked about Chris DeGarmo and why he left the band and he got a little emotional about it. Calling him his best friend. Saying that he was really hurt when it all went down and that he would love the chance to write and play with him again. Could he have been full of shit? Sure. But it came across pretty genuine. The only people he said he didnt like were music bloggers and most writters.
I'll be honest, I kind of liked the guy. He was honest about what he believed and wasn't afraid to say it. He could care less if he came across like an asshole. That's pretty refreshing! It was good interview.
So, for what it's worth, this story seems a little far fetched to me.

chiefwahoo

I'll be honest, I kind of liked the guy. He was honest about what he believed and wasn't afraid to say it. He could care less if he came across like an asshole. That's pretty refreshing! It was good interview.
So, for what it's worth, this story seems a little far fetched to me.

The story may come across as far fetched, but if it is true that the other 3 guys voted out his wife as manager, I can see him losing it.
 
And regarding his genuineness, I'm not buying it. He may come across as genuine, but that doesn't mean he is. He is notorious for changing history to suit his needs or even flat out lie if he feels it's called for. Quite frankly, I believe the stories and I will continue to do so until the other 3 guys tell us something else. If Tater tries to explain what happened, I won't believe no matter how genuine he may seem.

I find so much crap on the internetz that I'm afraid of Googleing this, so I ask you: Can anyone remind me what happened between Mike and GT? I totally forgot.
 
Sorry if this is not allowed, I understand if this post is deleted :)

Feltronc


I find so much crap on the internetz that I'm afraid of Googleing this, so I ask you: Can anyone remind me what happened between Mike and GT? I totally forgot.

Sorry if this is not allowed, I understand if this post is deleted :)

Not hard to find the answer - do a Google search for Geoff Tate vs. Mike Portnoy and select the first link that comes up (which I can't post here). 

Thank you sir :)
 
Although I didn't really wanna go to Blabbermouth for this, that's why I was asking.

What difference does it make which website it's on?

Smirnoff


Does anyone still care about Queenswreck anyway? I mean, just how many idiotic stunts can the band pull before losing what's left of its fans?

THIS.

It's been too long since I've cared about Queenswreck and I definitely don't find this supposed internal band feud to be important or anything... I'm curious about it more for entertainment purposes than anything.

JoeH


What difference does it make which website it's on?

A lot! to me at least. I don't like the lack of seriousness from some websites.

liquid_tenor

Smirnoff

Does anyone still care about Queenswreck anyway? I mean, just how many idiotic stunts can the band pull before losing what's left of its fans?

THIS.

Well you both care enough to post something in this thread!    I certainly am not happy with all the stupid things this band has done over the years, and if true, it sounds like the other 3 guys had enough of Tater's antics too. Personally, this gives me some real hope that there may be some real improvement, with or without Tater, and certainly without his wife who apparently was also behind some of the crap that disgusted fans.
 
If true, this theoretically opens the door even for DeGarmo to come back since a big reason for his leaving the band (of which he was heavily involved in the business aspects) was because of Susan "Yoko Ono" Tater getting involved. Yes it's true that he's probably comfortable being a pilot, and why would he want to give that up? But then again, he did work with the band in 2002-2003 even while Susan Tater was the band's manager, so I hold out hope.
 
I don't expect to see a return to the glory years of Rage for Order thru Promised Land; Hear in the Now Frontier was largely a turd, and Tribe - while an improvement - still wasn't of the same quality that their earlier albums were. But I think it will be better than what we've seen from them lately - specifically O:MII, Take Cover and Defecation to Chaos, not to mention the tour with Lita Ford performing 3 songs mid-set and the whole Cabaret debacle. Time will tell.

I agree with you Setlist. It this comes out to be true, there is a glimmer of hope for DeGarmo to at least think about returning.
 

The cabaret thing still amazes me.  That any band other than maybe AC/DC would think of it as a good idea...  Baffling.

Whatever gets them to actually writing music I can stomach listening to again!

I know it may be sacriledge but I wouldnt mind them ousting Tate and continuing.
 
Shut it down and build it up again.

Phineas J

I know it may be sacriledge but I wouldnt mind them ousting Tate and continuing.

Considering that Tater was no doubt a large part of all the stupid things QR has done of late (and at the very least, largely responsible for getting his wife into the role of band manager), I wouldn't call it sacrilege at all.
 
In fact, there's already the perfect replacement for him out there - check out this clip of Crimson Glory's current frontman singing classic QR:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...I&feature=youtu.be

Shadow Gallery's singer and also Pagan's Mind's singer would  fit nicely.
 
But IMO there's NO WAY Tate will leave QR. Even if there is a mutiny he will try to
destroy them through a lawyer or by other means.
 
And I've read an interview (albeit by Tate) that he would love to have Degarmo back.

emtee

And I've read an interview (albeit by Tate) that he would love to have Degarmo back.

The issue is DeGarmo will never come back with his wife being the manager.

^No doubt about it.
 
I just found it odd that all of a sudden Tate is saying he and Degarmo were best
pals and he misses him and would love for him to come back.
 
We still don't know if this story has any truth to it, but I speculated after the horrible sales of DtC and almost across the board brutal reviews, that there would be turmoil in the QR camp.
 

Sure. Let's just climb on board a ship carrying 20,000 tons of TNT, and a giant bullseye painted on the side into Uboat infested waters.
 
Degarmo isn't that stupid.

Holy crap, that Todd La Torre guy was so eerily similar to Geoff that if I didn't know those were covers, I would have thought it was all Tate in his heyday!!!

 If this came from Breakdown Room that explains it all. That is the crappiest message board I ever signed up for. I had to quit shortly after. There is an almost unspoken mandate that you have to bash newer QR and especially Geoff and Susan Tate. That "so called" fan site is an embarrasment to the band IMO.

presto123
 
 If this came from Breakdown Room that explains it all. That is the crappiest message board I ever signed up for. I had to quit shortly after. There is an almost unspoken mandate that you have to bash newer QR and especially Geoff and Susan Tate. That "so called" fan site is an embarrasment to the band IMO.

Whatever, I have been a member of that board for years and have never had any troubles, and I am probably among the most lax when it comes to the band, have never had issues or faced and backlash at all dissenting when people challenge the band and its current direction and have never had to quit or feel like I needed to keep my mouth shut. A tight ship is run there. But if the rules are respected, it can be an intereting place to talk music QR and beyond.

Chris Salinas from Zero Hour/Power of Omens would be another excellent replacement for Tate.

 Disagree ShadowWalker but I'm not going to get into it again. Lets just say after I spoke my piece there that I had a few long term members e-mail me saying they agreed with my farewell post and were somewhat fed up as well.

This doesn't sound at all far fetched? Let's see... he beat up the band right before they went on stage... they decided to play the gig anyways. then he SPIT on them!!! Meanwhile, they all just stood there and took it.  No one left the stage??? They finished the gig??? All because they decided to have a business meeting right before a gig in Brazil (which always happens) and tell Geoff that his wife was out as manager?
Nothing about that sounds, uh... weird?