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Re:SANCTIONED : DT World Tour 2011 / 2012 Discussion Thread
Saturday, July 28, 2012 9:22 PM
They really are. I get so annoyed when I see people posting stuff telling us that we are so fortunate that basically we should keep our mouths shut and not have an opinion.
I can't speak for anyone else who has posted in this thread, only myself, but my post was not designed to imply anyone should "keep their mouths shut and not have an opinion", and nothing in what I wrote could be implied to even suggest that. It is hardly the 'fault' of anyone to happen to live in a place where a certain band happens to tour a lot, and if people choose not to go to a show multiple times for whatever reason and express their reasons why, then it's fine with me. As someone above said, there are plenty of bands who mainly play Europe as opposed to the States, so in that sense, it all evens out. That's not the point of what was written before. About the actual issue of concert attendance, I couldn't care less, and it's not what I was getting at. Nobody in DT is gonna have to eat in a soup kitchen any time soon, they're touring, making music, happy doing it, and fans have a choice to partake in what they're doing.
What grates with me (and apparently others) are these strident, self-important statements such as "I REFUSE to go to another DT show until they rotate their sets again," and "I've seen them 14 times, but that was my last, I'm NOT paying money to see the same damn setlist 6 months after the last time!" Well, ok, I guess you have spoken. You see, it's the TONE of some (only some - this message and my last are not directed at you, DT2003) of the posts in this thread, the angry and - yes - self-entitled personal offense taken towards a band choosing to play a fixed set. In my first post I was trying to get across the point that some on here can have absolutely no conception how irritating this TONE (NOT the content) is to us in the rest of the world who don't have these opportunities to see bands, I mean messages which follow the structure of "Well, yeah, I saw them for the 39th time back in 2008, it was a cool 'Evening With' show, they played completely different songs to the night before. After the show I met the guys, and that was kinda cool too, JP comped me for 2 Swedish hookers, Labrie cooked me up a casserole and Myung gave my 7-year-old son elocution lessons. It was really neat of the guys to do that. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't perfect, I felt James put too much salt in the casserole, but it was still a great night. Next morning the guys waxed my asshole, pimped my Hyundai into a Maserati, and serenaded me as I drove away with an impromptu rendition of Never Enough. I was satisfied. But THIS time?? They played the SAME damn songs! I will NOT go again. I REFUSE! They will have NO MORE of my money!"
I'm exaggerating for affect of course, but my point is valid. It's not a discussion of why people choose not to go to shows anymore. It's the element (small, but vocal) in this thread which write in this grating, staccato, personally-offended style about how they will NOT!! again go until DT ROTATE!! the setlist, and the ENERGY!! comes back. You see? It's one thing, and a perfectly fine thing, to have an opinion on the state of a band, and to express your feelings about their music and their concerts, but there's no way of getting around it (I repeat - I'm not addressing this to you, DT2003), there simply IS so much entitlement in this thread, and THAT'S what is grating to those of us who are lucky if we get one chance every 2 years to see this group. Being disappointed in the fixed setlists and declining to pay money to see their shows any more is perfectly ok, but to express it in such a personally affronted and critical way, as some have here, is outrageous self-importance. DT, Mike Portnoy, AMOB, Flying Colors, whatever, any band in the world, they bust their asses to walk the fine line between doing what they want to do and also keeping the fans happy, only for a (again, it's small, but very vocal) minority to just disregard all that and piss and whine about the smallest details which they did not like.
Once again, I am NOT saying that people shouldn't be able to express what they feel, and to criticise elements they do not like. But this self-important, hyper-critical tone needs to be reigned in.
I thought abuot sending this as a PM, and maybe I should have, but you know what, Dave, I WAS one of those guys that said - absent some new development - that I probably would not be seeing DT again, and I cited the setlist as one of the reasons why. In doing so, I may even have said "I REFUSE to see DT unless and until they rotate their setlists again!" Presumably, I have therefore violated your rules for what constitutes a valid and acceptable post. But like the person that goes to a steak restuarant because they like steak, it is one of the things I weigh in when I go see a band. I love Kiss as much as any band, and yep, seen them over 20 times. Probably won't go again unless it is to show my daugher what it's all about because frankly, I've heard all those songs live multiple times. Why is that bad?
I am far from "entitled". I have been lucky enough to travel the world and know full well that I have access to and opportunity for things that most of the world's population does not. That factors in to many of the decisions I make on a daily basis, so please don't take one comment in the specific context of a very narrow conversation and blow it out of proportion. I'll give you "self-important" - hahaha - but really, I think you're way overstating things, and I find it hard to believe that my offense of being unequivocal in what I am willing to spend my money on is really that much more offensive than your blanket assesment of my character as a human being, and that of others in this thread. You're a good, thoughtful guy who brings a ton to the table (I read every word of most of your posts, for what it's worth) and on this one, I feel you are over the line.
Something... something... DANGER ZONE!