Pagan's Mind

RE: Pagan's Mind (Princess Divine)

Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:39:15 GMT

ORIGINAL: BreakTheMirror

i LOVE the music!

. . . but i can't get over how amazingly BORED the drummer looks in the "Through Osiris' Eyes" video

I See curiousity got the better of you.

Stian (Thunderforce) could never be described as boring, guess Nils was stealing the show in this video.

RE: Pagan's Mind (BreakTheMirror)

Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:34:06 GMT

i LOVE the music!

. . . but i can't get over how amazingly BORED the drummer looks in the "Through Osiris' Eyes" video

RE: Pagan's Mind (Princess Divine)

Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:20:13 GMT

ORIGINAL: Evil

ORIGINAL: Princess Divine

ORIGINAL: Drummintoad

LOL

Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

DrumRman and I have a shared interest.

Maybe we are one and the same person, or from the same Dimension ???

all will be revealed !!

You can't FIRE DrumRman... not possible ;)

Too true Evil - DrumRman is here to stay - we're not worthy !!!

RE: Pagan's Mind (darlene)

Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:53:25 GMT

great just what we need around here, another forum couple

RE: Pagan's Mind (Evil)

Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:11:05 GMT

ORIGINAL: Princess Divine

ORIGINAL: Drummintoad

LOL

Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

DrumRman and I have a shared interest.

Maybe we are one and the same person, or from the same Dimension ???

all will be revealed !!

You can't FIRE DrumRman... not possible ;)

RE: Pagan's Mind (Princess Divine)

Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:03:13 GMT

ORIGINAL: Drummintoad

LOL

Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

DrumRman and I have a shared interest.

Maybe we are one and the same person, or from the same Dimension ???

all will be revealed !!

RE: Pagan's Mind (Drummintoad)

Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:55:12 GMT

LOL

Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Princess Divine)

Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:44:47 GMT

09.02.05:

New Pagan's Mind Flash Site up and running today

Great New Media section with fab Videos - don't miss this

RE: Pagan's Mind (Katraal)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:07:35 GMT

I just watched the Osiris Eye video.
Pretty good I must say!

Just remember that DT are influences for other musicians now!
Just like Yes or Rush were for DT...
Part of music's natural evolution IMO!

RE: Pagan's Mind (Godzilla)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:52:39 GMT

Thanks for the info, Princess Divine, but we got DrumRman pounding enough crap into us already! 2 DrumRman's... this forum is NOT READY!!

RE: Pagan's Mind (Dreamster)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:20:38 GMT

For anyone that wants a sample, or who ever hasnt see nthe music video.

Video: Through Osiris' Eyes
http://www.ynot.no/movie/pagansmind.html

I find Pagan's Mind to be more power/prog than pure prog. A cross between DT and Symphony X, with the singer sounding a lot like Geoff Tate. Pagan's Mind rock

LOL dude, I was thinking the same way.... he does sound like Tate during his earlier days.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Naigewron)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:06:13 GMT

I find Pagan's Mind to be more power/prog than pure prog. A cross between DT and Symphony X, with the singer sounding a lot like Geoff Tate. Pagan's Mind rock

RE: Pagan's Mind (Dreamster)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:30:42 GMT

After listening to this band all day-- alot of licks here and there are very similar to DT licks.

But the songs as a whole are orginial and its still good music. Lighten up guys.

RE: Pagan's Mind (fusbolfan)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:21:11 GMT

ORIGINAL: Kyo

ORIGINAL: DrumRman
What about all the blatant rip offs we've heard from DT?

I didn't like those either, but how does that make other music more enjoyable?

And DT have yet to release entire albums based on just one other band's style. The interesting bit about the DT "influenced sections" is how they put their own twist on it, adding odd time signatures, completely different parts around it or using significantly more adventurous song structures. So if one riff in Home sounds like the Tool riff from 46&2, there's still like ten minutes of music in that song that doesn't sound like Tool at all. Same with the Pantera influence on The Glass Prison - some of it sounds kinda like Pantera, but Pantera would never have written anything like that complete song. The copycat bands like Dreamscape and Pagan's Mind tend to sound pretty DT-ish throughout.

NO! I agree with Kyo!

RE: Pagan's Mind (Kyo)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:15:43 GMT

ORIGINAL: DrumRman
What about all the blatant rip offs we've heard from DT?

I didn't like those either, but how does that make other music more enjoyable?

And DT have yet to release entire albums based on just one other band's style. The interesting bit about the DT "influenced sections" is how they put their own twist on it, adding odd time signatures, completely different parts around it or using significantly more adventurous song structures. So if one riff in Home sounds like the Tool riff from 46&2, there's still like ten minutes of music in that song that doesn't sound like Tool at all. Same with the Pantera influence on The Glass Prison - some of it sounds kinda like Pantera, but Pantera would never have written anything like that complete song. The copycat bands like Dreamscape and Pagan's Mind tend to sound pretty DT-ish throughout.

Oh and lets not forget the TOOL rip offs in The Great Debate, and Home.

Home is indeed somewhat embarrassing in that aspect. That is one case where I feel the "rip-off" claim is justified, especially since MP cites Aenima as one of his favorite albums and MUST have heard the similarity between the two bass lines. But I have yet to hear someone pinpoint a specific Tool song that they ripped off for TGD. It sounds Tool-ish, but I don't think it's more than that.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Luchitos)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:13:39 GMT

Yey, I am now a registered forum member at Pagan's Mind!

RE: Pagan's Mind (Princess Divine)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:32:05 GMT

ORIGINAL: Backlash

i would like to listen to some of pagans mind's stuff. anybody got a link?

Glad you found the link Backlash.

Was good to see you on the Pagan's Mind Forum

http://www.pagansmind.com

RE: Pagan's Mind (PeruvianGoat)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:08:09 GMT

That's the thing, none of these are "blatant" to me. The opening riff kinda "feels" like the Sandman riff, but the comparison on this board here when ToT came out centered more around one James trying to "sound" like another James...

When Vanilla Ice stole from David Bowie, now that was blatant

RE: Pagan's Mind (karansaraf)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:51:19 GMT

Hmm...never thought of the As I Am = Enter Sandman part before. I assume you mean the intro? It's kinda a stretch, but I can see where you're coming from.

RE: Pagan's Mind (PeruvianGoat)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:46:56 GMT

OHZ NOOOZZZZZZZ!!! Petrucci stole a 6 note riff from Bach's unreleased 1676 Concerto for six mandolins, four panflutes and a recorder in Erotomania!!! I'll never listen to JP again!!!! NOOO!OO!O!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess it all depends on how analytical you want to get. I cannot get "As I Am" = "Enter Sandman" out of my mind, or "This Dying Soul" = "Blackened", but it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of any of the four previously mentioned songs.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Surrounded)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:39:15 GMT

"Influence" sounds so much better!

RE: Pagan's Mind (karansaraf)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:09:49 GMT

Yeah, I just realised it sounded like ACoS.

But again, my opinion on this is that even if they DO sound like DT, why's that bad? You may not agree with the fact that they may be "copying" someone else, but if you love the band that they're "copying" why can you not love the band that is doing the "copying"? Is it just on principles that this band is "copying" another so I won't listen to them, even though I may like them?

I'm never going to use the word "copying" again. I promise.

RE: Pagan's Mind (metropolis2k)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:37:58 GMT

ORIGINAL: Kyo
Uh ... there's a REALLY blatant "reference" to ACOS in End of Light, the keyboard plays something very similar to the ACOS acoustic intro. I haven't listened to that CD for ages but I think it was somewhere shortly before the vocals came in.

Yeah, I know the bit you mean. I'd never have linked it to ACOS though. Apart from having a descending melody to it and you can't copyright them!

RE: Pagan's Mind (metropolis2k)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:34:36 GMT

How did I know you'd say that John?

RE: Pagan's Mind (The Metal Madman)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:24:07 GMT

ORIGINAL: Kyo

ORIGINAL: metropolis2k
Well, what's funny is I actually like Dreamscape. They have the DT sound but also go in their own direction and don't have any direct riffs or lyrics the same.

Uh ... there's a REALLY blatant "reference" to ACOS in End of Light, the keyboard plays something very similar to the ACOS acoustic intro. I haven't listened to that CD for ages but I think it was somewhere shortly before the vocals came in.

What about all the blatant rip offs we've heard from DT? You know the Pantera, and Metallica ones? Again I'll ask the same question Ive asked about a trillion times around DT fans. Why is it stupid when bands copy DT, but when DT copies bands its cool, an hommage, and so on. This logic is flat out RETARDED. Oh and lets not forget the TOOL rip offs in The Great Debate, and Home.

Thats not a complaint on DT's music. Its a comparision to the moronic logic that runs rampant around here.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Evil)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:20:56 GMT

so its ok for DT to do it but not other bands??? talk about hypocrites...

RE: Pagan's Mind (Kyo)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:12:34 GMT

ORIGINAL: metropolis2k
Well, what's funny is I actually like Dreamscape. They have the DT sound but also go in their own direction and don't have any direct riffs or lyrics the same.

Uh ... there's a REALLY blatant "reference" to ACOS in End of Light, the keyboard plays something very similar to the ACOS acoustic intro. I haven't listened to that CD for ages but I think it was somewhere shortly before the vocals came in.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Kyo)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:10:49 GMT

ORIGINAL: fatpotatohead
The "DT rip-off" is only done to pay tribute to Dream Theater,

What about "the other DT rip-off"? How many "tributes" can you tolerate on one album before it gets tedious?

RE: Pagan's Mind (metropolis2k)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:28:52 GMT

ORIGINAL: Liquid-Acid-Base

I've got an mp3 on my hard-drive I downloaded off of The End about a year and a half ago, and it sounds EXACTLY like I&W-era DT. No ID3 tags on it, though, so to this day I still don't know what band it is. I wonder if it's this Dreamscape I'm hearing about.

Dreamscape have more of an 'Awake' sound than I&W.

If you want, try and send me the file and I'll see if I can place it.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Liquid Acid Base)

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:24:22 GMT

I've got an mp3 on my hard-drive I downloaded off of The End about a year and a half ago, and it sounds EXACTLY like I&W-era DT. No ID3 tags on it, though, so to this day I still don't know what band it is. I wonder if it's this Dreamscape I'm hearing about.

RE: Pagan's Mind (fusbolfan)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:23:09 GMT

That's like how I fell in love with Stevie Nash because he drops such beautiful dimes!

RE: Pagan's Mind (Princess Divine)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:16:36 GMT

ORIGINAL: Dreamster

I just discovered these guys.

While reading the Da Vinci code it got me interested in Paganism (sp?)

And i was listening to Dementia Radio and i saw "Pagan's mind"! So i thought it would be cool to check out.

Interesting Avatar Dreamster.

Well that's exactly how I got into Dream Theater many moons ago, just listening to Tommy Vance on the Friday Night Rock Show and POW I was hit by lightning.
Thank you Tommy Vance.

RE: Pagan's Mind (Dreamster)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:59:33 GMT

I just discovered these guys.

While reading the Da Vinci code it got me interested in Paganism (sp?)

And i was listening to Dementia Radio and i saw "Pagan's mind"! So i thought it would be cool to check out.

RE: Pagan's Mind (MFSP)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:56:57 GMT

I'm just going to chime in and agree that Pagan's Mind indeed does kicketh ass majorly.

MFSP

RE: Pagan's Mind (Princess Divine)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:55:27 GMT

ORIGINAL: DrumRman

ORIGINAL: PeruvianGoat

I must thank DrumR's big old bald head for both Dreamscape and Pagan's Mind, both of which do have their own identities despite the similarities to DT. "The End Of Light" is an epic that stands on its own, DT "cover" bands don't come up with 20+ minute air tight tracks on a whim. And I get a totally different feel from Pagan's than DT because the keys are more ambient (weird at times) and the vocals just convey totally different feel. I agree w/ Met2k that their production is tight...when the guitar screams in on "Osiris Eyes" am I just compelled to turn it as high as I can stand it. And that urge doesn't often come over me

edit: because i am hooked on phonix

Yeap totally. I mean Nils, and James are such extreme opposites in the vocal dept. The production is in a league of its own as well. Stian prefers triggers, as where MP hates em. And the list goes on.

One thing they all have in common - They're all pretty damn georgeous
and You DrumRman !

RE: Pagan's Mind (The Metal Madman)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:24:10 GMT

ORIGINAL: PeruvianGoat

I must thank DrumR's big old bald head for both Dreamscape and Pagan's Mind, both of which do have their own identities despite the similarities to DT. "The End Of Light" is an epic that stands on its own, DT "cover" bands don't come up with 20+ minute air tight tracks on a whim. And I get a totally different feel from Pagan's than DT because the keys are more ambient (weird at times) and the vocals just convey totally different feel. I agree w/ Met2k that their production is tight...when the guitar screams in on "Osiris Eyes" am I just compelled to turn it as high as I can stand it. And that urge doesn't often come over me

edit: because i am hooked on phonix

Yeap totally. I mean Nils, and James are such extreme opposites in the vocal dept. The production is in a league of its own as well. Stian prefers triggers, as where MP hates em. And the list goes on.

RE: Pagan's Mind (PeruvianGoat)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:10:22 GMT

I must thank DrumR's big old bald head for both Dreamscape and Pagan's Mind, both of which do have their own identities despite the similarities to DT. "The End Of Light" is an epic that stands on its own, DT "cover" bands don't come up with 20+ minute air tight tracks on a whim. And I get a totally different feel from Pagan's than DT because the keys are more ambient (weird at times) and the vocals just convey totally different feel. I agree w/ Met2k that their production is tight...when the guitar screams in on "Osiris Eyes" am I just compelled to turn it as high as I can stand it. And that urge doesn't often come over me

edit: because i am hooked on phonix

RE: Pagan's Mind (gus)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:55:43 GMT

ORIGINAL: mandaX

Did DrumRman Turn into a girl?
-manda

He has the looks for it...

RE: Pagan's Mind (Weymolith)

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:51:16 GMT

Did DrumRman Turn into a girl?
-manda

No, his nick would have changed to DrumWOman