Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Jimz)

Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:15:06 GMT

WilliamMunny

well...he did quit (during Technical Ecstacy) and they brought him back...

I haven't read up on it in a few years but I think that's how it went down...either way...it's just a bunch of millionairs squabbling over a ton of money...

Oh, that's strange. I looked it up on wikipedia and it said he was fired. I wouldn't be SURPRISED to hear he had quit.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (WilliamMunny)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:16:17 GMT

I stand corrected....

and I should point out that I was totally joking...

I agree with most of the sentiment here...re-recording the bass and drums on the first two solo records was a horrible decision rooted in greed.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (locriation)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:12:50 GMT

Actually, it was during Never Say Die that Ozzy quit.

And I wouldn't call this "just a bunch of millionaires squabbling over money." In the case of one party, I would say it's about the integrity of the band that he has been actively involved in and holding together and keeping in business for four decades, and the other party, well, obviously that person feels that Black Sabbath means something entirely different. I think that much like the albums and the contributions of certain members in his camp that he's gone out of his way to delete over the years, Ozzy wants anything and everything bearing the name Black Sabbath that he wasn't involved in to be wiped off the face of the earth because, as he's stated numerous times, he feels that Black Sabbath was those four guys. Even in his book, he gave some props to Dio, said that he doesn't have a problem with him (anymore), he just wishes that they'd not gone on as "Black Sabbath."

Sharon, on the other hand? Totally looking for bucks.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (WilliamMunny)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:44:15 GMT

well...he did quit (during Technical Ecstacy) and they brought him back...

I haven't read up on it in a few years but I think that's how it went down...either way...it's just a bunch of millionairs squabbling over a ton of money...

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Jimz)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:41:25 GMT

If Ozzy had QUIT Sabbath in 1979 I'd say too bad, so sad. But he was forced out of a band that he really did have a substantial part in building to its level of fame. Hard to say how the subsequent years value out, but looking at it equitably, Ozzy should be collecting a full band member's share of royalties from every Sabbath album on which he appeared, but anything beyond that is going to be tough to quantify.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (WilliamMunny)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:48:59 GMT

gazinwales

Please lets not suggest we fuck with history, Ozzy's vocals are an essential part of those classic early Sabbath albums. This would never happen, Iommi, is a real gentleman and would never do such a thing.

Dio, please no, his voice, as good as it is, simply does not suit many of those old songs.
Listen to the, 'Live Evil', for proof.
Plus I doubt if he'd be interested in such a thing, his dislike for singing the Ozzy era tunes is well known.

As the old saying goes, 'two wrongs, don't make a right'.

u're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

This. I am staunchly against the re-recording of parts of earlier records...Just because Ozzy screwed over his former bandmates on BOO and DOAM doesn't make it right to do it to the Sabbath stuff...

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (gazinwales)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:17:03 GMT

Please lets not suggest we fuck with history, Ozzy's vocals are an essential part of those classic early Sabbath albums. This would never happen, Iommi, is a real gentleman and would never do such a thing.

Dio, please no, his voice, as good as it is, simply does not suit many of those old songs.
Listen to the, 'Live Evil', for proof.
Plus I doubt if he'd be interested in such a thing, his dislike for singing the Ozzy era tunes is well known.

As the old saying goes, 'two wrongs, don't make a right'.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (locriation)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:11:18 GMT

Progmetalman

paranoid70

Mon_AM_lunatic

I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Nah. Just use Ronnie James Dio. He is after all Black Sabbath's frontman at the moment.

Please, no. I can't stand the way he sang those songs on Live Evil. Leave Dio to his own stuff, please.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Progmetalman)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:20:42 GMT

paranoid70

Mon_AM_lunatic

I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Nah. Just use Ronnie James Dio. He is after all Black Sabbath's frontman at the moment.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (WilliamMunny)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:54:00 GMT

Hey...at least Ozzy didn't do something really crappy like fire his guitarist of 20 years thru the press...at least he didn't do that

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (PincheJoto)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:45:45 GMT

locriation

Does he have a distinctive voice? Absolutely. But the only person I can think of who might have been remotely influenced by Ozzy's vocal style? Zakk Wylde in Black Label.

Magnus Pelander from the great Witchcraft also has quite a distinct Ozzy influence.

Monk

97. You're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

Exactly, but from what I remember about that album it didn't sound remotely as artificial as the few things I've heard from Black Rain. Before that it was all about double-tracking the fuck out of his vocals, which is something Layne Staley also did on the last record he did with AiC.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Mon_AM_lunatic)

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:45:25 GMT

Big Nate

paranoid70

Mon_AM_lunatic

I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Agreed. Tony doesn't need to stoop to Sharon's level.

oh yeah, absolutely...it was intended to be absurd or sarcastic...It just pissed me off about the Daisley/Kerslake issue...and now this on top of it!

I hope Sharon falls flat on her face in court...I've lost all respect for her.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (MetalliJedi_1)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:48:16 GMT

I´m going to side Tony on this. That biatch needs to be taught a lesson.

It has been proven that you can replace Ozzy but you can´t replace Tony. Period.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Big Nate)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:25:55 GMT

paranoid70

Mon_AM_lunatic

I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Agreed. Tony doesn't need to stoop to Sharon's level.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (locriation)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:27:39 GMT

Monk

ALewis525

Monk

I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

Autotune technology isn't that old, is it? I don't think it would have been developed until the mid-1990s at the earliest, when Pro Tools started gaining popularity.

97. You're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

Yep. That would be around the time he was able to use it in the studio. Frankly, most of the bootlegs I have from the No Rest for the Wicked era through the end of No More Tears, it's hit or miss. When he was having a good night, he sounded great. When he wasn't, he sounded like shit. Once he came out of 'retirement' for Ozzmosis...well, nearly every bootleg I have from 1995 on, he sounds like shit.

Does he have a distinctive voice? Absolutely. But the only person I can think of who might have been remotely influenced by Ozzy's vocal style? Zakk Wylde in Black Label. That's about it. Nearly everyone else influenced by Sabbath always talks about either Iommi or Geezer. As cool as the idea of the original Sabbath lineup getting back together was, that one night at the end of the "No More Tours" tour was the only time it ever sounded GOOD. I don't even want to think about how much doctoring was necessary for the Reunion live album from 97...I have bootlegs of both nights and he sounded fucking terrible.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (paranoid70)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:05:33 GMT

Mon_AM_lunatic

I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Monk)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:21:14 GMT

ALewis525

Monk

I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

Autotune technology isn't that old, is it? I don't think it would have been developed until the mid-1990s at the earliest, when Pro Tools started gaining popularity.

97. You're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Mon_AM_lunatic)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:02:13 GMT

I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (ALewis525)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:37:02 GMT

Monk

I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

Autotune technology isn't that old, is it? I don't think it would have been developed until the mid-1990s at the earliest, when Pro Tools started gaining popularity.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (dano1427)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:27:07 GMT

It's all about $$$$...Ozzy and The Bitch saw Iommi's suit against Live Nation, and saw dollar signs....

Iommi is Sabbath. Ozzy is a joke.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Monk)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:16:58 GMT

Fadefury

raisingfear101

I really wanna believe this is a joke.

I second this.

"The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996."

I laughed just at reading that. It was never about Ozzy's vocals for me at least. I think he is probably one of the most overrated vocalists out there. Even on his solo work it was always the guitars that made it good. Not his vocals.

I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (EDGUY)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:12:15 GMT

I wish Ozzy would just retire for good and go away.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (DougMasters)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:33:07 GMT

Devnoy

Borlag

professorpeart

We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

So umm, Ozzy worked to restore the credibility of Black Sabbath by pissing all over himself, walking like a zombie on stage, needing a telepromter on stage so that he wouldn't forget the lyrics to Paranoid and War Pigs... If anyone's lost all credibility, it's Ozzy Osbourne. Biggest joke in the business.

+1

He is embarrassing to the whole metal scene.

late to the party....
+2

I know Ozzy isn't exactly all there and most of this is likely Sharon's doing but a man has to be responsible for himself at some point. I can't stand either of them. I know I dont have allll the info but this is just lame as hell.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (br_wildead)

Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:52:07 GMT

Oh man, this is just sick.
Yeah, yeah, the classic Black Sabbath lineup made this band great. But there were many other musicians in BS who contributed no less. If it was just the old band, with Ozzy and Bill, they would leave Sabbath sooner or later and it would become yet another disbanded classic. But there was Dio. There was Martin. There were other guys who kept the band up and running all these years, who made the reunion possible, who just recorded some marvelous albums - as for me, Heaven&Hell and Headless Cross are not only two of the greatest heavy metal recordings... they are two finest Sabbath albums, which are far more professinal and interesting than the albums from Ozzy era! Of course, it is hard for me to judge... 'case when I grew up, there was no Sabbath, there were other bands... And I discovered Sabbath relatively recently - practically, after watching Tony Martin live in 2006 with his solo wark and some BS classics and that was GREAT! And, well, I've been listening to Dio for practically all my life...
Concerning Ozzy... I respect him. I like his solo work. But to say that just him, or just the classic lineup was the real Sabbath is terrible disrespect for all the others. Tell you what, in my opinion, if you're sharing the trademark - don't forget Dio, Martin, Appice, Nicholls. Don't be in it only for the money. Don't ruin the glorious past by selfish actions like this stupid lawsuit, that is even more stupid in the light of the fact that Iommi actually toured under H&H name instead of using BS.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (JRundquist)

Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:15:13 GMT

Fuck. There is no reason for this at all.

Ozzy (Sharon), you're out of the band, Iommi had the rights to the band. If you wanted it settled, you should have done this back in 1979, not when Iommi isn't even using the fucking Black Sabbath name anymore.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (paranoid70)

Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:07:32 GMT

I love Sabbath, Tony, Ozzy, Dio, Geezer, Bill.... so I won't comment on all the legal crap. But, I saw Sabbath in 1994 and again in 1995 at the Universal Amphitheatre in LA - not a football stadium, but defintely not a small club. They still kicked ass even with Tony Martin fronting the band.

Anyway, Sabbath rules with Ozzy and beyond.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (locriation)

Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:13:35 GMT

This whole thing fucking disgusts me, I'll be honest. Should Ozzy, Geezer, and Bill have some stake in the albums that were put out with that lineup? Certainly. Should Ozzy (and by proxy, Sharon) have any stake in the material produced without his involvement? Absofuckinglutely NOT. The ONLY reason that Ozzy can make the claim of "bringing Black Sabbath back from the brink" is due to the tremendous interest in that particular lineup reforming. Period. The same amount of interest would have been garnered if, instead of the original classic lineup reforming in 1997, the current 'Heaven and Hell' lineup reformed. The fact of the matter is that through good and bad times, it has ALWAYS been Tony Iommi keeping the brand going, period.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (spocks_brow)

Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:59:39 GMT

Does he really need the money? Really?

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Progmetalman)

Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:04:35 GMT

It disgusts me that the court gave permission for this frivolous lawsuit. Sharon must've paid them off. It's not like she doesn't have the money and unfortunately if the Osbourne's do win this that will be why, because they have the money to make this happen more so than poor Iommi. This pisses me off enough to boycott ShOzzy and not give the greedy fuck's another cent of my money. Iommi IS BLACK SABBATH. Long live the man that invented Heavy Metal.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (NYCoolRunner)

Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:28:00 GMT

I understand the "true" Black Sabbath is with Ozzy (although the other eras are great too... well some of them, but everyone knows Ozzy Black Sabbath), but why does him singing in the band for 10 years make him eligible to get all the money in their history?

Iommi is Black Sabbath.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (emtee)

Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:12:39 GMT

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=135789

The lawsuit will likely move forward.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Starwind)

Sat, 30 May 2009 18:01:26 GMT

It just never ends...

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (BILL 18)

Sat, 30 May 2009 10:42:32 GMT

After reading her Iron Maiden trashing in her book and the Daisley/Kerslake stunt,i didn`t think she could stoop any lower,she continues to proove me wrong!

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (dano1427)

Sat, 30 May 2009 09:29:36 GMT

When Ozzy left the band/was fired the second time in 78-79, he signed away all his rights to anything associated with Sabbath. Iommi bought the rights to all Sabbath material in 1985

Ozzy was fire pre-Sharon. And now all she sees is $$$ as Iommi is going after Live Nation.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Amoniz)

Sat, 30 May 2009 08:52:25 GMT

This is the lamest thing Ozzy & Sharon would have done.
I mean imagine Paul Dianno to sue Iron Maiden, claiming it was him who brought them to underground fame!! For what?! I mean after nearly 30 years!
No wonder why Sabbath created Devil & Daughter! ;)

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Devnoy)

Sat, 30 May 2009 04:52:53 GMT

Borlag

professorpeart

We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

So umm, Ozzy worked to restore the credibility of Black Sabbath by pissing all over himself, walking like a zombie on stage, needing a telepromter on stage so that he wouldn't forget the lyrics to Paranoid and War Pigs... If anyone's lost all credibility, it's Ozzy Osbourne. Biggest joke in the business.

+1

He is embarrassing to the whole metal scene.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (Borlag)

Sat, 30 May 2009 04:30:38 GMT

professorpeart

We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

So umm, Ozzy worked to restore the credibility of Black Sabbath by pissing all over himself, walking like a zombie on stage, needing a telepromter on stage so that he wouldn't forget the lyrics to Paranoid and War Pigs... If anyone's lost all credibility, it's Ozzy Osbourne. Biggest joke in the business.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (JK3rr1gan)

Sat, 30 May 2009 03:55:04 GMT

spikelineus

I fucking hate Sharon Osbourne.

+1

'Nuff said, really.

Re:Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name (spikelineus)

Sat, 30 May 2009 01:56:30 GMT

I fucking hate Sharon Osbourne.