DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06!

Re: RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (Peruvian)

Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:56:32 GMT

Mine are still just fine, and I've played them at least dozens of times.

Re: RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (WilliamMunny)

Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:23:15 GMT

Yep...still great. My favorite versions of "Innocence Faded" and "Spirit Carries On" are on that album!

Re: RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (fields10)

Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:43:43 GMT

Wow, you've bumped a 3 years old thread! haha nice....

I haven't experienced any problems with the DVD...

Re: RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (manila_man)

Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:37:30 GMT

Both my disc1 and disc2 have been destroyed. turned cloudy and has not been readable.

Its an R1 copy.

Rhino has given me a replacement for Disc 1 but after some time, it also turned bad!

Are there others who have experienced this?

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (NITRO NICK)

Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:32:42 GMT

I haven't bothered to read through every reply to this thread but as far as my DVDs are concerned they were "scored" literally. I got mine through CD Now and while the CDs were fine both DVDs were - well fukked.
The first disc came away from the centre holder during transit and has a lot of deep scratches in it . I've got a few glitches from that but it was the second disc that really stunned me. I was 53 minutes into the doco and it starts to miss and skip, image degradation - the works. Then it just stops dead - trying to fast forward, stop anything doesn't happen - you have to eject it from the machine to get it going again.

Then when I try and access the bonus material any one of them sees the first scene come up and it again just locks up - anyone else have these problems.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (marko kutberg)

Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:48:11 GMT

Got mine this week. I love it. Unluckily the manufacturer had f**cked up the second dvd (bad printing) but the disk itself plays fine. I`m such a perfectionist, you know.

Overall I`m very happy with it. Thank you MP and DT.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (snuggs)

Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:13:04 GMT

Wow thats all I can say. I kind of questioned the track selection (to myself) when I heard the set list. Well fuck a duck never mind my question (to myself).

Just sat thru my first view & listen thru on the computer and I must say can't wait to watch on 5.1 surround sound.

Great DVD Mike & Gang.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Cassie5563)

Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:01:13 GMT

Raise The Knife is a really strong song musically and lyrically.

I was listening again yesterday, closely to the lyrics... and it struck me how fitting it was for the band to mark 20 years with the song. It's a statement on their commitment to the collective vision they have as artists and a reminder that compromise to the industry's fickle whims is out of the question. Bravo!

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Duke)

Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:36:41 GMT

After this show, Another Won And Raise The Knife shot up to among those of my favorite DT songs. All the heavy songs played at RCMH hit the mark in a big way for me especially. I had only heard Another Won on a few boots of the March 2006 shows, so I was still becoming familiar with it. Raise The Knife is a really strong song musically and lyrically. I hope both are played more often also in future tours. Related to Another Won, I now have all the Demo Series CDs from YtseJam, and have to say I really listen to the demo versions more than the studio version now. The core of drums, guitar and bass really brings it together in those demos. Love that edgy sound i.e. WDADU and demos. Very happy these demos are on CD.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (airnigel)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:42:26 GMT

ORIGINAL: Softball35

I searched for this on the Forum but I couldn't find anything answering this question, "Did anyone find any Easter Eggs on the DVD?" If so, post them.

Yeah, if there were an easter egg with footage of the Radio City Rockettes doing a kickline in front of DT while they play "The Mirror", I'd definitely like to see that...

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (jrey)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:39:33 GMT

Nice YA RLY

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Billythetidd)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:17:04 GMT

ORIGINAL: jrey

ORIGINAL: bobs23

All SD NTSC DVD playback at 29.97i the progressive is a playback function only. NO DVD's are authered in progressive formats.

Then how do you explain the fact that you can fit more video on a dvd set to 24 progressive than 60 interlaced? When I shoot 24p advanced and then edit it on a 24p timeline and take it into dvd authoring software and set the dvd format to 23.97 mode, then how can that not be mastering to 24 progressive? What happens is that the dvd plays at 24 progressive and adds 3:2 pull down to make your tv happy.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (jrey)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:11:57 GMT

ORIGINAL: bobs23

All SD NTSC DVD playback at 29.97i the progressive is a playback function only. NO DVD's are authered in progressive formats.

Then how do you explain the fact that you can fit more video on a dvd set to 24 progressive than 60 interlaced? When I shoot 24p advanced and then edit it on a 24p timeline and take it into dvd authoring software and set the dvd format to 23.97 mode, then how can that not be mastering to 24 progressive? What happens is that the dvd plays at 24 progressive and adds 3:2 pull down to make your tv happy.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (jamez)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:41:06 GMT

ORIGINAL: Govt_Property

MP recognizes all my other DT CDs.

Mike recognizes all your other DT CDs???

Sorry about the poor joke but Score DVD is not released here yet...

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (PaNdReX)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:30:32 GMT

omg watching for the first time right now!!!

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (PhilPlaysDrums)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:29:22 GMT

ORIGINAL: bobs23

ORIGINAL: ArcanumGuitar

Okayyyy,

Just cuz I've seen this mentioned a few times.. and there's really no topic about it; this is in in regards to the look between Budokan and Score.

.. now, I read before that someone said Budokan was filmed in 24p (24fps) and Score in 30fps... but that doesn't explain the difference in looks. Infact, both were shot in 24p. 30 frames per second looks like butt. If you want to see what that looks like, get out your old VHS camera. 30 frames looks terrible. Its the standard in the US for tv but even most tv is switching to the HD format or atleast 24 frames. Yes, it does give you that more cinematic look and feel like the movies. Most importantly, it gives you a smoother feel and look on motion. If you saw anyone move in 30 frames.. it looks terrible. Like bad home movies.

The big difference is the quality of the camera. It looks like Budokan was shot in HD and possibly down converted to standard definition.. which still looks infinitely better than standard definition. Score was not shot on such high end cameras. Not to say that Score looks bad, but that's why there's the difference in the looks. Budokan is very sharp, Score has a warmer feel. Besides, some of the cameras were definetly a DVX... atleast the stuff doing the crowd shots. At the end of disc 2's documentary.. I was the guy jumping in the grey hoodie [very last shot long shot].. that camera went right by me. I'm a film major and I use that camera all the time. Its a great camera, but visually nothing compares to it like HD.

Sorry for the long rant.. but its been eating at me for days.

For the record, L@B was shot and edited 1080/60i then converted to 1080/23.98psf to give it the filmatic blur. Score was shot and edited 1080/23.98psf Then both were down converted to NTSC for DVD. All SD NTSC DVD playback at 29.97i the progressive is a playback function only. NO DVD's are authered in progressive formats. With Blu-Ray or HDDVD that's another story.
As far as the "look" of the two shows, this was a directorial decsion decided before each show was shot. L@B was to have a more "movie" look while Score was to have a more "you are there" look. As far as the cameras, Score actually had much higher quality cameras used.

Thanks! me and my frien were disscussing this, but didn't understand all the technicalities. You described them exactly how we perceived them.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (PhilPlaysDrums)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:25:07 GMT

ORIGINAL: Loser1

ORIGINAL: Powrslave
I don't even care if there were overdubs because I saw this show live and I KNOW that JLB was singing exactly like this (if not even better).

I got to thinking about the whole "James vocals were totally re-done/pitch corrected" issue. I'm thinking even if MP wanted to completely overhaul JLB's vox, the funds ($$) simply wouldn't be there. That shit is expensive on a large scale. DT is not a large band with huge amounts of $ to blow (although I'm sure they do well). I wouldn't be suprised if there were minor 'fixes' here and there though. And sure... James' vocals seem to have a lot of the wet removed or not present in the overall sound, but that doesn't indicate they were re-done.

So to the nay sayers of JLB, I say... Rediculous! Many of us were there, and the guy was just on top.

PS - this wasn't really directed at you Powerslave.

+111111 James Labrie was amazing that night. Under A Glass Moon...need I say more? praying for TIME to dissa..PEAR!!! it was great. Every note spotless

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (ProgWRX)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:51:14 GMT

i havent had the problem because i have an SD tv set, but my friend has an HDTV setup with an HD dvd and he complains that there is tons of "macroblocking" on the DVD and looks very "compressed" . while L@B looks awewsome on the same setup. any thoughts on that?

it looks beautiful on my SD big screen though, so i cant complain.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (bobs23)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:46:58 GMT

ORIGINAL: ArcanumGuitar

Okayyyy,

Just cuz I've seen this mentioned a few times.. and there's really no topic about it; this is in in regards to the look between Budokan and Score.

.. now, I read before that someone said Budokan was filmed in 24p (24fps) and Score in 30fps... but that doesn't explain the difference in looks. Infact, both were shot in 24p. 30 frames per second looks like butt. If you want to see what that looks like, get out your old VHS camera. 30 frames looks terrible. Its the standard in the US for tv but even most tv is switching to the HD format or atleast 24 frames. Yes, it does give you that more cinematic look and feel like the movies. Most importantly, it gives you a smoother feel and look on motion. If you saw anyone move in 30 frames.. it looks terrible. Like bad home movies.

The big difference is the quality of the camera. It looks like Budokan was shot in HD and possibly down converted to standard definition.. which still looks infinitely better than standard definition. Score was not shot on such high end cameras. Not to say that Score looks bad, but that's why there's the difference in the looks. Budokan is very sharp, Score has a warmer feel. Besides, some of the cameras were definetly a DVX... atleast the stuff doing the crowd shots. At the end of disc 2's documentary.. I was the guy jumping in the grey hoodie [very last shot long shot].. that camera went right by me. I'm a film major and I use that camera all the time. Its a great camera, but visually nothing compares to it like HD.

Sorry for the long rant.. but its been eating at me for days.

For the record, L@B was shot and edited 1080/60i then converted to 1080/23.98psf to give it the filmatic blur. Score was shot and edited 1080/23.98psf Then both were down converted to NTSC for DVD. All SD NTSC DVD playback at 29.97i the progressive is a playback function only. NO DVD's are authered in progressive formats. With Blu-Ray or HDDVD that's another story.
As far as the "look" of the two shows, this was a directorial decsion decided before each show was shot. L@B was to have a more "movie" look while Score was to have a more "you are there" look. As far as the cameras, Score actually had much higher quality cameras used.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Rushman)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:25:46 GMT

Whew. Finally found a copy last night. After visiting about six different stores locally (Best Buy, CD World, Coconuts, Circuit City, Barnes & Noble, Target) I called the FYE at the mall and they had one copy, they held it for me behind the counter and I picked it up last night.

Haven't watched yet, promised my bro-in-law I'd watch it with him since he had to miss the show.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (JRuless)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:55:25 GMT

Listened to it for a week (almost) and now I found out how Another Won kicks my ass!!
What a killer song!! When I first heard the Majesty demo's I found all the songs just crap, but now?
Another Won? YEAH!!

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Cyclopssss)

Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:47:21 GMT

Mine finally arrived yesterday (dvd+cd) seen about half of it. Awesome so far, although the best is yet to come. Love the reaction to the orchestra!

Whew! I guess what Mike says in the documentary is true: 'Most bands after 20 years together are on the way back down....we're still growing!'

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (MrSawyer)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:51:43 GMT

I've had it for a week now and I never posted about it I don't think. Shame on me. Yeah, it is a great DVD. Probably my favorite one of all the Dream Theater DVDs.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (FrankY)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:28:27 GMT

mine arrived today...!!!!!

the sound and video quality is amaizing....it's as almost being in the concert itself...

10/10 Dt just rulz

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (STEVETHEATER)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:24:43 GMT

SCORE KICKS MY ASS!!!!!!!.... again... again.... again.... and AGAIN.... Thanks DT (AGAIN) for making the most awesome music...

... can´t wait for next album...

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (jrey)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:19:13 GMT

ORIGINAL: ProgWRX

even if its shot on 24p, if its then formatted for ntsc you will see interlacing on the still shots. Ive shot a couple of short films and a video on an XL2, in 24p and after exporting it to DVD it comes out as interlaced video :dunno:

Yes if you make the DVD in NTSC, but the DVD format also supports 24p and 30p. If the video was shot 24p they should have mastered it to 24p on the DVD.(you can actually fit a bit more video in that mode.) Either way it still looks 60i to me.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (ProgWRX)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:50:44 GMT

even if its shot on 24p, if its then formatted for ntsc you will see interlacing on the still shots. Ive shot a couple of short films and a video on an XL2, in 24p and after exporting it to DVD it comes out as interlaced video :dunno:

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (jrey)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:46:46 GMT

ORIGINAL: ArcanumGuitar

Okayyyy,

Just cuz I've seen this mentioned a few times.. and there's really no topic about it; this is in in regards to the look between Budokan and Score.

.. now, I read before that someone said Budokan was filmed in 24p (24fps) and Score in 30fps... but that doesn't explain the difference in looks. Infact, both were shot in 24p. 30 frames per second looks like butt. If you want to see what that looks like, get out your old VHS camera. 30 frames looks terrible. Its the standard in the US for tv but even most tv is switching to the HD format or atleast 24 frames. Yes, it does give you that more cinematic look and feel like the movies. Most importantly, it gives you a smoother feel and look on motion. If you saw anyone move in 30 frames.. it looks terrible. Like bad home movies.

The big difference is the quality of the camera. It looks like Budokan was shot in HD and possibly down converted to standard definition.. which still looks infinitely better than standard definition. Score was not shot on such high end cameras. Not to say that Score looks bad, but that's why there's the difference in the looks. Budokan is very sharp, Score has a warmer feel. Besides, some of the cameras were definetly a DVX... atleast the stuff doing the crowd shots. At the end of disc 2's documentary.. I was the guy jumping in the grey hoodie [very last shot long shot].. that camera went right by me. I'm a film major and I use that camera all the time. Its a great camera, but visually nothing compares to it like HD.

Sorry for the long rant.. but its been eating at me for days.

Score is most definately not 24p. When I was capturing still shots I had to correct the interlaced tearing. Also it doesn't look like 24 either. 60i IS the standard in US and a lot of reality shows shoot in that format. Most primetime drama/sci fi shows are indeed shot at 24p and have pulldown added to play at NTSC standard of 60i. BUT even 30p looks different than 60i. 30fps does not look bad like you say, infact I believe Startrek: The Next Generation was shot on film at 30fps. Score doesn't look like it was shot in 24p or 30p but rather 60i. The cam on Mike's drums looks like the Canon XL-H1 or XL2 (but I've been told by some one who worked on it that it was shot in HD which would rule out XL2) Also rules out your hypothesis that DVX's were used, unless it is the HVX which I haven't really looked into much.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE; Not available in PAL-format??? (iCe)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:43:22 GMT

After watching Octavarium two or three times now, and especially the cartoon on the bonus disc, i can't get it out of my head. I really start to dig it more and more. Today alone i watched 8V on Score and listened to it twince on the studio album

At first i had to get used to it, because it's a more softer DVD compared to the other ones. But i like it a lot and it starts to grow on me more and more. I'm a drummer, but i love the finish on JP's guitar in RTK and 6DoiT

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE; Not available in PAL-format??? (Matroshka907)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:15:49 GMT

ORIGINAL: krista

only problem i have is the audio and video aren't in sync :| it gets worse towards the end.. dunno what's wrong, is it the player or what :/

i didn't watch disc two yet..

Do you have the DVD in PAL or NTSC format?
My Images And Words Live In Tokyo/5 Years In A Live Time DVD has the same problem, probably due to the fact that it’s NTSC format. This is why I ordered Score in PAL format at Amazon.com UK. It arrived today and guess what… they sent me the NTSC-version!!! So far every .com store in Europe I checked (except for Amazon UK) is selling Score in NTSC format. After what happened today I’m starting to think Score is not available in PAL format? Someone (Mike?) PLEASE enlighten me on this matter???

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (Govt_Property)

Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:43:09 GMT

Why, when you play Score on Media Player does it come up as "Unknown artist?"

MP recognizes all my other DT CDs.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming August 29th! (Cassie5563)

Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:41:30 GMT

Score is over a week old now, and still burning up my player. On behalf of the folks who missed 4/1/06 THANK YOU DREAM THEATER for sharing this!

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Softball35)

Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:27:43 GMT

I searched for this on the Forum but I couldn't find anything answering this question, "Did anyone find any Easter Eggs on the DVD?" If so, post them.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Ink)

Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:57:18 GMT

I've got CD, but not yet the DVD. Still waiting on it cause it hasn't been released here in Aus yet.

At which point in UAGM did JP drop out? And for how long was it? They obviously did a good job in relpacing the missing part because I havn't noticed a thing yet. I want to know so I can listen to the exact part carefully to see if its at all noticable. Also, did it just drop out from a technical fault? Or did the lead/wireless/whatever he uses just fall out or something?

Sounds so great! Love TROAE. Brilliant opening - so energetic, and really gets the audience going.

Another Won has become a favourite!

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Duke)

Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:33:45 GMT

The song Octavarium elevated itself to a classic prog tune for me with the infusion of the Orchestra, along with Jordan's slide guitar playing. I'm loving what appears to be a subtle Steve Howe/Yes influence ala Relayer (~To Be Over) right when the song starts to take off, in combining the orchestra and the slide guitar.

It goes without saying that 6DOIT as a whole was probably may favorite part of the show. The beginning is very classy and majestic. Seeing the orchestra integrated in the song so often adds much value to the presentation of this Epic. So many memorable sounds and moments. Too much to articulate. It was a great move in making at a 41-minute, 1 track song on the DVD and CD. How it was meant to be represented, imo. For me, this version of 6DOIT is the 21st century Days Of Future Passed with an edge, and then some.

Innocence Faded was another highlight. Love the riffing, vocals, and that Drama-esque keyboard sound at the end.

The Root Of All Evil was total thunder and pounding insanity to hear and experience. Among the most intense moments I experienced at the show happened there, esp. when the heavy guitar started. Perfect way to start any show (or A Fortune In Lies or As I Am of course). Somewhere along the way this became among my favorites, and has great staying power in that respect.

The orchestra in Sacrificed Sons takes the song to another level for me. Many ominous moments here. This version for me is an improvement over the studio...same with Octavarium and the orcehstra.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (ArcanumGuitar)

Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:05:54 GMT

Okayyyy,

Just cuz I've seen this mentioned a few times.. and there's really no topic about it; this is in in regards to the look between Budokan and Score.

.. now, I read before that someone said Budokan was filmed in 24p (24fps) and Score in 30fps... but that doesn't explain the difference in looks. Infact, both were shot in 24p. 30 frames per second looks like butt. If you want to see what that looks like, get out your old VHS camera. 30 frames looks terrible. Its the standard in the US for tv but even most tv is switching to the HD format or atleast 24 frames. Yes, it does give you that more cinematic look and feel like the movies. Most importantly, it gives you a smoother feel and look on motion. If you saw anyone move in 30 frames.. it looks terrible. Like bad home movies.

The big difference is the quality of the camera. It looks like Budokan was shot in HD and possibly down converted to standard definition.. which still looks infinitely better than standard definition. Score was not shot on such high end cameras. Not to say that Score looks bad, but that's why there's the difference in the looks. Budokan is very sharp, Score has a warmer feel. Besides, some of the cameras were definetly a DVX... atleast the stuff doing the crowd shots. At the end of disc 2's documentary.. I was the guy jumping in the grey hoodie [very last shot long shot].. that camera went right by me. I'm a film major and I use that camera all the time. Its a great camera, but visually nothing compares to it like HD.

Sorry for the long rant.. but its been eating at me for days.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (Loser1)

Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:42:40 GMT

ORIGINAL: Powrslave
I don't even care if there were overdubs because I saw this show live and I KNOW that JLB was singing exactly like this (if not even better).

I got to thinking about the whole "James vocals were totally re-done/pitch corrected" issue. I'm thinking even if MP wanted to completely overhaul JLB's vox, the funds ($$) simply wouldn't be there. That shit is expensive on a large scale. DT is not a large band with huge amounts of $ to blow (although I'm sure they do well). I wouldn't be suprised if there were minor 'fixes' here and there though. And sure... James' vocals seem to have a lot of the wet removed or not present in the overall sound, but that doesn't indicate they were re-done.

So to the nay sayers of JLB, I say... Rediculous! Many of us were there, and the guy was just on top.

PS - this wasn't really directed at you Powerslave.

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (goo-goo)

Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:31:33 GMT

I'll add post #666 to this thread

SCORE + DT = LOC AND LOL!!!!

(Amazing reliving the RCMH show!!)

RE: DREAM THEATER SCORE - coming 8/29/06! (SilverKraken)

Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:20:35 GMT

ORIGINAL: Dream Team

I hadda bump this; it just seems the Score appreciation threads are fading off page 1 way too quickly.

SilverKraken, that seems to be a common finding. I bought my copy at the local Best Buy and it too had a disc loose in there (fortunately no scratching though!)

DONT LET THIS THREAD DIE!!