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Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:20 AM
For the movie fans here. I've seen this subject come up for discussion on other boards recently and I still can't get my head around it. Doesn't take away from your enjoyment of the film and maybe there was never a real reason/plot hole overlooked but...

In Back to the Future 2, in the alternate 1985 Doc and Marty couldn't go back to the future and stop old Biff from taking the almanac cause it would be the future of the alternate 1985. So...how does old Biff manage to go back from 1955 to the original 2015 instead of the alt 2015? After all he gave young Biff the book already, right?
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:28 AM
So your point is: when old Biff comes back from 1955 (he gives the almanac to the young one), the future should be already changed...am i right?
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:31 AM
does it even go into how old biff in 1955 goes back to the future??? if so than wouldnt it be the alternate 2015 in which he would be a millionaire?? i have the back to the future dvd set and never really thought of this. hmm ill have to watch it again.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:37 AM
Maybe it's because he is a billionaire in 1985 but Marty manages to beat him, so 2015 is not the alternate future but the right one (Marty is married, has children and he gets fired and stuff...). i'm confused, i will re-watch the movie (LOVE it!!! I have the DVD set, too.)
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:39 AM
oh....im stupid. he comes back while they are still in marty's house.....WOW yeah i never thought of that. maybe he would have had to go even further back after giving young biff the almanac. then go back to 2015. therefore creating two different 2015's. time travel is just crazy
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:40 AM
1.21 JIGAWATTS!!!!
 
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:59 AM
Yeah that's a flaw in the movie. It doesen't have many and I would assume they knew it but hoped nobody would notice it. Funny becuase Doc does that whole chalkboard explaination "somewhere in the past the timeline SKEWWWED into this tangent, creating this alternate 1985. Alternate to you, me and Einstein, but reality for eveyone else"... you would think someone would pick up on it (yes I did at 13-years-old, but I pay too close attention to movies), but not alot of people do.

In order to get around this they would have had to change the story so that they didn't destory the time machine at the end of Part 3, bury it again or something and find it in 2015. Something to that effect.

Also, how the fuck does Biff, who is constantly portrayed as a complete idiot, know how to use the time machine? He would have even had to know how to use Mr. Fusion to get back.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:11 PM
Ok the answer to this is A) this is a fictional story so any answer is fair game.

Here's my take. When Old Biff comes back to 2015 you see him struggle. In a deleted scene he is actually erased. Why is this? Well most likely when Biff becomes a millionair he is likely to be shot or die much younger than old Biff actually is. This shows that there was in fact a skewed 2015. Marty and Doc; however, needed to go back in time in order to retain the continuity of the space time continuum so the time machine was allowed to return, but Biff was not.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:36 PM
Yeah but Old Biff shouldn't have been able to go back then. He gives younger the almanac, younger grows rich, murders Marty's dad and changes his life. Marty would never have known Doc or Jennifer. Doc's committed. time machine's never made, no future in which he would bring Marty to save his kids in which Old Biff would be around to notice Doc's machine.  Old Biff never tells younger who he was so younger couldn't have known Doc's idea of a time machine or if he did, developed one using his riches/Doc's papers for Old Biff, I think.  


Oh yeah...on an unrelated note, we did land on the moon.
 

    
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:38 PM

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Yeah but Old Biff shouldn't have been able to go back then. He gives younger the almanac, younger grows rich, murders Marty's dad and changes his life. Marty would never have known Doc or Jennifer. Doc's committed. time machine's never made, no future in which he would bring Marty to save his kids in which Old Biff would be around to notice Doc's machine.  Old Biff never tells younger who he was so younger couldn't have known Doc's idea of a time machine or if he did, developed one using his riches/Doc's papers for Old Biff, I think.  


Oh yeah...on an unrelated note, we did land on the moon.


   


You are forgetting that there are multiple Martys.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:44 PM
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:47 PM
Great Scott!!!

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:52 PM
This is heavy ,Doc.......
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:57 PM

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This is heavy ,Doc.......


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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:57 PM

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This is heavy ,Doc.......


There's that word again; "heavy". Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the earth's gravitational pull?
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:58 PM

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This is heavy ,Doc.......


There's that word again; "heavy". Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the earth's gravitational pull?


Ack. I beat you to it, but I got the quote wrong. Time to hit the DVD collector's set again.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:00 PM

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This is heavy ,Doc.......


There's that word again; "heavy". Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the earth's gravitational pull?


Ack. I beat you to it, but I got the quote wrong. Time to hit the DVD collector's set again.


tis ok. It's all for the good of BTTF fans everywhere. We knew what you meant.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:01 PM
The flaw in this movie that brings about the question that was originally posed is that there is only one "real" continuum existing.  However, for the viewer, the movie wouldn't make much sense if Biff time travelled back to give himself the almanac and, at the moment that happened, the movie changed to the alternate 2015.  To the viewer it would seem real choppy and confusing.  However, this would be what would happen because the changes that Old Biff has initated by travelling back in the time maching HAVE ALREADY OCCURED.  Thus, at the moment that Old Biff hits the "time travel" button on the machine, the past is changed and thus the present (at this time according to the viewer, 2015) is changed.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:06 PM
"What the hell is a jiggawatt" indeed?
 
Now, I know about Gigawatts, but jiggawatts?

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:10 PM

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"What the hell is a jiggawatt" indeed?

Now, I know about Gigawatts, but jiggawatts?



They are different.

My harddrive has 60 jiggs left. And I have 1 Jigg of memory.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:19 PM

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"What the hell is a jiggawatt" indeed?

Now, I know about Gigawatts, but jiggawatts?



They are different.

My harddrive has 60 jiggs left. And I have 1 Jigg of memory.


While those pronunciations are correct, the spellings are not; however, on the internet, one would spell Gigawatt as jiggawatt for added emphasis on pronunciation and humor, as the writers of the BTTF screenplay did.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:19 PM
I am your density...

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:38 PM

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The flaw in this movie that brings about the question that was originally posed is that there is only one "real" continuum existing.  However, for the viewer, the movie wouldn't make much sense if Biff time travelled back to give himself the almanac and, at the moment that happened, the movie changed to the alternate 2015.  To the viewer it would seem real choppy and confusing.  However, this would be what would happen because the changes that Old Biff has initated by travelling back in the time maching HAVE ALREADY OCCURED.  Thus, at the moment that Old Biff hits the "time travel" button on the machine, the past is changed and thus the present (at this time according to the viewer, 2015) is changed.

 
Yes, so it IS a flaw without regard to timeline and Doc's logic for the benefit of the audience/story scripted.

 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:44 PM
I love how after Marty's first trip to 1955, he came back and everything was changed for the better... except Jennifer. Somehow she got uglier in part 2 .
 
Seriously, you gotta hand it to the filmmakers for recreating that scene at the end of pt. 1 for the beginning of pt.2 almost excatly with the new Jennifer. I mean if they used old footage the matched it perfectly (lighting & such)... and if they shot it all new, man from wardrobe to camera position - very well done.
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:53 PM
Actually what bugs me the most about this movie when they originally go into the future to get Marty's son not to help out Griff.
 
The entire movie they point out that the future isnt written..so that whole thing was pointless.
 
But just like was pointed out, there are a lot of plot holes...and even the producers address this in the commentary...the movie isnt meant to provide a definitive look at time travel.  Its meant as the basis for a fuckin' fun movie...and fun it was.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:00 PM
Man did I have a hard on for Lea Thompson in the first movie. She wanted it bad.   What DID she have in that hope chest. Good thing Marty figured out she was his mom before.   Marty's mom has got it goin' on.   
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:12 PM
What about the fact that Marty and his Mom look at exactly like Marty's great great grandparents on his father's side in part 3? What the hell is that all about?  And not only that, Marty looks exactly like his G G Grandfather and nothing like his father.  And i always wondered about that "having to save the future" thing too.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:16 PM

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What about the fact that Marty and his Mom look at exactly like Marty's great great grandparents on his father's side in part 3? What the hell is that all about?  And not only that, Marty looks exactly like his G G Grandfather and nothing like his father.  And i always wondered about that "having to save the future" thing too.


Well his great great grandfather looks like Marty probably for the same reason his son and daughter look like him. They are all played by Michael J. Fox and they are all on the same side of the family. The only reason Lea Thompson was used as Marty's grea great grandmother was because the director wanted to include her and there were no scenes with his mother in that movie.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:18 PM
um ok...that makes alot of sese then

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:20 PM

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What about the fact that Marty and his Mom look at exactly like Marty's great great grandparents on his father's side in part 3? What the hell is that all about?  And not only that, Marty looks exactly like his G G Grandfather and nothing like his father.  And i always wondered about that "having to save the future" thing too.


Well his great great grandfather looks like Marty probably for the same reason his son and daughter look like him. They are all played by Michael J. Fox and they are all on the same side of the family. The only reason Lea Thompson was used as Marty's grea great grandmother was because the director wanted to include her and there were no scenes with his mother in that movie.

 
Or how come his parents never said (in 1985)..."Hey remember that guy who got us together when we were in High School. I know we named Marty after him but DAMN WOMAN he looks just like him!!!"
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:21 PM
im sure renzdrummer will have a techincal answer for that

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:37 PM

Suspension of disbelief...

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:46 PM
What I dont understand is why biff had no problem meeting young biff. The doc said that it was dangerous that it could destroy the world or just make them both faint.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:48 PM

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What about the fact that Marty and his Mom look at exactly like Marty's great great grandparents on his father's side in part 3? What the hell is that all about?  And not only that, Marty looks exactly like his G G Grandfather and nothing like his father.  And i always wondered about that "having to save the future" thing too.


Well his great great grandfather looks like Marty probably for the same reason his son and daughter look like him. They are all played by Michael J. Fox and they are all on the same side of the family. The only reason Lea Thompson was used as Marty's grea great grandmother was because the director wanted to include her and there were no scenes with his mother in that movie.


Or how come his parents never said (in 1985)..."Hey remember that guy who got us together when we were in High School. I know we named Marty after him but DAMN WOMAN he looks just like him!!!"


Honestly do you think they would remember what he looked like? It happened over 20 years before, and they have no pictures of him. Do any of you remember exactly how someone looked 20 years ago that you knew for less than a week? They also watched Marty grow, so any memory they have of the old Marty would have been overshadowed by the growth of the new Marty. They would most likely not remember what the old Marty looked like.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:50 PM

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What I dont understand is why biff had no problem meeting young biff. The doc said that it was dangerous that it could destroy the world or just make them both faint.


Well young Biff had no idea it was old Biff since it was an older self visiting a younger self (with no knowledge of the future). When Jennifer met Jennifer, it was a younger Jennifer (with knowledge of the future) meeting an older Jennifer (with knowledge of the meeting) which results in the fainting (or possible unraveling of the entire universe!. Old Biff was also prepared to meet young Biff as it was on his agenda.

The Jens meet by complete accident and it is so sudden that it causes them to faint. They are also closer in an age gap than old biff and young biff are, making them more recognizable to each other.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:53 PM
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:53 PM
Also do we really think Biff would have been such a goober after simply being punched by George M? Come on now.  What about the fact that Doc and Principal Skinner bairly aged in the 30 year gap between 1955 and 1985? 

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:55 PM

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What about the fact that Marty and his Mom look at exactly like Marty's great great grandparents on his father's side in part 3? What the hell is that all about?  And not only that, Marty looks exactly like his G G Grandfather and nothing like his father.  And i always wondered about that "having to save the future" thing too.


Well his great great grandfather looks like Marty probably for the same reason his son and daughter look like him. They are all played by Michael J. Fox and they are all on the same side of the family. The only reason Lea Thompson was used as Marty's grea great grandmother was because the director wanted to include her and there were no scenes with his mother in that movie.


Or how come his parents never said (in 1985)..."Hey remember that guy who got us together when we were in High School. I know we named Marty after him but DAMN WOMAN he looks just like him!!!"


Honestly do you think they would remember what he looked like? It happened over 20 years before, and they have no pictures of him. Do any of you remember exactly how someone looked 20 years ago that you knew for less than a week? They also watched Marty grow, so any memory they have of the old Marty would have been overshadowed by the growth of the new Marty. They would most likely not remember what the old Marty looked like.

 
Nope. Someone that integral, they would remember. Especially since his mom remembers every moment of the "Fish Under The Sea Dance" . I remember what my friends from 1985 look like and one I only knew for a month. Hehehehe... ahhhhh fun with fiction.
 
Old Biff is able to meet young Biff, cus at the time Biff is too much of a maroon to understand what's going on, hence the space time continum is safe. Together they make like one whole brain. Remeber Doc says, when referring to Jennifer "The realization of encountering her older self could... then again she could simply pass out".
 
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:56 PM
Some people will continue look the same, ie Dick Clark.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:42 PM
Ah...BTTF...my favourite movie when I was younger.  Haven't seen any of them in years...:(

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:44 PM
Did it bother anyone else that the sports almanac seemed too damn small to have every single sports statistic and victory for 50 years?  Just me?
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:11 PM
it could be a flaw or you could think of it this way...
 
when old Biff gave young Biff the Almanac Young Biff was ready to chuck it. Therefore it wouldn't have changed anything. Old Biff has already returned to the future, before Young Biff has made the choice to use the Almanac. The flaw was having Biff disappear but this was an ongoing scenerio in the movie. In either event, once Biff decides to use the Almanac the future changes. Marty could have run into to Biff and told him that was very rare book and was his thus fooling Biff into destroying it. Part II was a bit too much plot to take but it was still a fun movie.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:14 PM

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The flaw in this movie that brings about the question that was originally posed is that there is only one "real" continuum existing.  However, for the viewer, the movie wouldn't make much sense if Biff time travelled back to give himself the almanac and, at the moment that happened, the movie changed to the alternate 2015.  To the viewer it would seem real choppy and confusing.  However, this would be what would happen because the changes that Old Biff has initated by travelling back in the time maching HAVE ALREADY OCCURED.  Thus, at the moment that Old Biff hits the "time travel" button on the machine, the past is changed and thus the present (at this time according to the viewer, 2015) is changed.

 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:49 PM

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What about the fact that Marty and his Mom look at exactly like Marty's great great grandparents on his father's side in part 3? What the hell is that all about?  And not only that, Marty looks exactly like his G G Grandfather and nothing like his father.  And i always wondered about that "having to save the future" thing too.


Well his great great grandfather looks like Marty probably for the same reason his son and daughter look like him. They are all played by Michael J. Fox and they are all on the same side of the family. The only reason Lea Thompson was used as Marty's grea great grandmother was because the director wanted to include her and there were no scenes with his mother in that movie.


Or how come his parents never said (in 1985)..."Hey remember that guy who got us together when we were in High School. I know we named Marty after him but DAMN WOMAN he looks just like him!!!"


LMAO!!

I never thought of that. It could be the grounds for divorce. I see how George could easily go balistic: "Lorraine, you bitch! You cheated on me.I'll divorce you...and Im gonna murder that Calvin Klein!"

haha plus this got me thinking that they could've mistaken 1985's Calvin Klein.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:53 PM

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it could be a flaw or you could think of it this way...

when old Biff gave young Biff the Almanac Young Biff was ready to chuck it. Therefore it wouldn't have changed anything. Old Biff has already returned to the future, before Young Biff has made the choice to use the Almanac. The flaw was having Biff disappear but this was an ongoing scenerio in the movie. In either event, once Biff decides to use the Almanac the future changes. Marty could have run into to Biff and told him that was very rare book and was his thus fooling Biff into destroying it. Part II was a bit too much plot to take but it was still a fun movie.


So you're saying that the timeline changes not at the point old Biff hands over the almanac but at the point young Biff decides to use it. Does he decide right after he listens to the radio broadcast. It's been a while but isn't old Biff around the corner watching...does a "heh.


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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:59 PM
I met Christopher Lloyd last Thursday at a taping of Fox's TV show Stacked.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:48 PM

ORIGINAL: OnlyAMatterOfTime


ORIGINAL: fArGuS_CoLliGus

The flaw in this movie that brings about the question that was originally posed is that there is only one "real" continuum existing.


Jordan's Continuum?


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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:47 PM
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:14 PM
This "flaw" is explained on one of the commentaries and it's a deleted scene.

If my memory serves me correct, the deleted scene had Biff returning from the past, he hid behind a dumpster and you saw him dissapear... a la BTF 1. Which explains that Biff indeed changed something in the past.

Same thing with Marty having a hair dryer on that scene were he visits his dad on that Radioactive suit. And some others I can't remember.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:16 PM
Probably you don't know this (i'm actually pretty sure you don't) but in the italian rendition (BTTF 1&2) Marty is called Levi Strauss instead off Calvin Klein...this is because the Calvin Klein mark was not so popular at that time in Italy.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:48 PM

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Probably you don't know this (i'm actually pretty sure you don't) but in the italian rendition (BTTF 1&2) Marty is called Levi Strauss instead off Calvin Klein...this is because the Calvin Klein mark was not so popular at that time in Italy.

 
 
Yeah, and in the french version (the one I saw when I was child), it says "Pierre Cardin".
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:08 PM
"Last night Darth Vader came down from Planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn’t take Lorraine out, that he’d melt my brain"
 
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btw..for the longest time I never realized both Crispin Glover and the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st BTTF were replaced in the 2nd and 3rd. Elizabeth Shue of course was very hot, but the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st had some kind of mental or emotional problem with acting..and Glover I heard wanted a bigger part or more $..or both.
 
oh, and I agree..both Doc and the principal had no evidence of being 30 years younger..hell I wonder how old they would have been in '55..guestimating..the principal could have been between 50-60 years old..so he was in his 20's..same with the Doc...maybe 30's at best.
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:09 PM
I remember something...
How Marty was able to pay his coffee when just arrives in 1955, if the money is not the same? Right?
Cause you can see in BTTF 2, Doc has money change for different periods. So I guess, he will need different money for 1955.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:14 PM

ORIGINAL: angra1

btw..for the longest time I never realized both Crispin Glover and the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st BTTF were replaced in the 2nd and 3rd. Elizabeth Shue of course was very hot, but the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st had some kind of mental or emotional problem with acting..and Glover I heard wanted a bigger part or more $..or both.


 
That drove me crazy, especially cause I thought the original Jennifer (BTTF 1) was so much hotter.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:20 PM

ORIGINAL: OnlyAMatterOfTime


ORIGINAL: angra1

btw..for the longest time I never realized both Crispin Glover and the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st BTTF were replaced in the 2nd and 3rd. Elizabeth Shue of course was very hot, but the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st had some kind of mental or emotional problem with acting..and Glover I heard wanted a bigger part or more $..or both.



That drove me crazy, especially cause I thought the original Jennifer (BTTF 1) was so much hotter.


1) True dat.
2) Who is Crispin Glover?
3) My only gripe with BTTF is that they didn't allow Flea to act more. What was his character called? Needles?
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:40 PM

ORIGINAL: RigoStar

I remember something...
How Marty was able to pay his coffee when just arrives in 1955, if the money is not the same? Right?
Cause you can see in BTTF 2, Doc has money change for different periods. So I guess, he will need different money for 1955.


I'm pretty sure this is addressed in an early draft of the script where Lou (the cafe owner) does say something to Marty about the money.   However, for the actual film, they just decided to let it go.  How often does one look at the year of money, especially when behind a cash register all day?

As for the question in the first post of this topic, the answer I have always heard (from many, many discussion on the BttF.com Forum which I used to frequent more than this board) is that during the time that old Biff comes back from 1955, 2015 DOES change, but the only part of 2015 shown is Hill Dale, and from the description of the Officers Reese and Foley (the two female cops), Hill Dale is already a real shit-hole.  Marty and Doc are just coming out of 2015 Marty's house, so they would not see the changes that are happening inside the house.  And as previously stated in this thread, there is a deleted scene of Biff being erased from existence, which was only cut because Zemeckis and Gale (and probably some of the crew) felt it would be too confusing for the casual viewer; therefore one can consider the deleted scene to be canon.

Another explanation is that the "ripple effect," a plot device to explain gradual and not hardly simultaneous changes in the future when the history is altered (remember the photo of Marty and his siblings in the first film?  Marty was not immediately erased; his two siblings went before him one at a time), simply did not catch up immediately when Old Biff arrived.  Just because Old Biff gets erased from existence does not mean that the rest of 2015 had to change along with him.  It could take another few minutes or even hours before the ripple effect caught up to change 2015.

Or you could just say that parts II and III are nothing compared to the original.  The original did not focus on time travel - it was simply a device to get Marty to interact with his parents while they were the same age as him.  Parts II and III did try to focus on time travel, and therefore a helluva lot of plot holes open up.  Personally, I think the original stands perfect on its own.  Just think of how cool the ending is if we did not  find out and NEVER found out what the future was like.  That was the original intention of the ending; part II and III were never thought about until after the success of the first film.

Regardless, even though I'd prefer the original movie to stand on its own, I still consider myself to be the ultimate fan of the entire Back to the Future trilogy on this section of Internet and on Long Island (and perhaps the entire tri-state area)

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:34 PM
Oh yeah, and for the "gigawatt" discussion - renz already explained it (the correct spelling is indeed gigawatt).  However, it is spelled "jigowatt" in the screenplays, as opposed to "jiggawatt."

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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:39 PM

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Some people will continue look the same, ie Dick Clark.

renzdrummer is this your favorite movie(s) of all? If not, what is? 


They are definitely some of my favorite movies. I love them all. I like the Matrix and Spiderman movies, as well as many comedies. I really loved Batman Begins too.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:42 PM



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oh, and I agree..both Doc and the principal had no evidence of being 30 years younger..hell I wonder how old they would have been in '55..guestimating..the principal could have been between 50-60 years old..so he was in his 20's..same with the Doc...maybe 30's at best.
 
Kyle



I think that was done purposefully just to add to the overall humor of the series. I mean when Marty pulls out the one liner, "Jesus, didn't that guy ever have hair?" I just lost it. The Doc actually does look different and a bit younger. It is more in his attitude and his actions that lead you to believe that this is actually a much younger, inexperienced, naive, and immature Doc.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: angra1

btw..for the longest time I never realized both Crispin Glover and the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st BTTF were replaced in the 2nd and 3rd. Elizabeth Shue of course was very hot, but the girl who played Jennifer in the 1st had some kind of mental or emotional problem with acting..and Glover I heard wanted a bigger part or more $..or both.



That drove me crazy, especially cause I thought the original Jennifer (BTTF 1) was so much hotter.


2) Who is Crispin Glover?

 
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/
 
he's the guy who plays George Macfly, Marty's dad in the 1st movie. He was I believe sort of in the "Brat Pack" in the 80's..he showed up in some of the films.. Jeffrey Weissman I guess was the guy to replace him in BTTF 2 and 3.
 
The girl who played Jennifer in BTTF 1 is named Claudia Wells, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/ pretty girl..but other than 1 film in '96..she got out of acting shortly after being in BTTF.
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:23 AM
Exactly -

Principal Strickland (not Skinner, guys) not having aged at all is supposed to be a joke, like he's a legendary vice principal or something.  (remember when he gets out the shotgun in BTTF2?)

Also, Doc actually does have makeup when he's playing the 1985 version - he has some more lines on his face, his hair is cut to look like he's balding, and I think he has kind of a pasty makeup on.  It's just really hard to tell.  The "old" makeup is the whole reason they have that moment in BttF2 where Doc says he got a facelift - I thought it was a joke because he looks *exactly the same*, but they also did it so he wouldn't have to wear the makeup for the whole movie.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:51 AM

ORIGINAL: sarcophage

Exactly -

Principal Strickland (not Skinner, guys) not having aged at all is supposed to be a joke, like he's a legendary vice principal or something.  (remember when he gets out the shotgun in BTTF2?)

Also, Doc actually does have makeup when he's playing the 1985 version - he has some more lines on his face, his hair is cut to look like he's balding, and I think he has kind of a pasty makeup on.  It's just really hard to tell.  The "old" makeup is the whole reason they have that moment in BttF2 where Doc says he got a facelift - I thought it was a joke because he looks *exactly the same*, but they also did it so he wouldn't have to wear the makeup for the whole movie.


Ah, NOW I see why they did that scene.  Wow, the things they had to do to make that movie WORK.  I guess Chris Lloyd didn't want the makeup every single time, so they did that,  Crispin Glover didn't want to do II or III, so they replaced him (But yet used his footage, both used and cut from I in II), and then there is Elizabeth Shue replacing Claudia Wells in II & III.  I wonder what kind of things they had to do to get Michael J. Fox to do II & III.

This also explains why they filmed II & III simultaneously.  It was unprecedented sure, but sounds like they had to because of actors' demands.  Better to get it out of the way then to wait for another renegotiation years later.

And about the time travel loopholes, I can quote Star Trek: Voyager on that one:  "I HATE temporal mechanics."

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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:30 AM
I forgot to add, forumer "Kirby" aka ex-DT North American Fanclub Prez..is a huge Christopher Lloyd fan. I recall going to a tribute site she once set up.
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:01 PM

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Oh yeah, and for the "gigawatt" discussion - renz already explained it (the correct spelling is indeed gigawatt).  However, it is spelled "jigowatt" in the screenplays, as opposed to "jiggawatt."


 
Jigga what??
 
 

ORIGINAL: RigoStar

I remember something...
How Marty was able to pay his coffee when just arrives in 1955, if the money is not the same? Right?
Cause you can see in BTTF 2, Doc has money change for different periods. So I guess, he will need different money for 1955.

 
Don't forget... he never paid for the "something without any sugar."   He was distracted by George and Biff, and then runs out to follow George without finishing or paying for the coffee.
 
But, if he did get the chance to pay for it, it probably would have been ok.  Why?  With the exception of pennies (which changed from the "wheat" back to the "Lincoln Memorial" back in 1959) all U.S. coins looked identical in 1985 as they did in 1955, save for the year but how often do you really look at the year?  Dollar bills are slightly different in color and texture but a cup of coffee would probably only have been 15 cents or so in 1955.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:11 PM

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I forgot to add, forumer "Kirby" aka ex-DT North American Fanclub Prez..is a huge Christopher Lloyd fan. I recall going to a tribute site she once set up.

 
www.christopherlloyd.net

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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:51 PM

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What about the fact that Marty and his Mom look at exactly like Marty's great great grandparents on his father's side in part 3? What the hell is that all about?  And not only that, Marty looks exactly like his G G Grandfather and nothing like his father.  And i always wondered about that "having to save the future" thing too.


Well his great great grandfather looks like Marty probably for the same reason his son and daughter look like him. They are all played by Michael J. Fox and they are all on the same side of the family. The only reason Lea Thompson was used as Marty's grea great grandmother was because the director wanted to include her and there were no scenes with his mother in that movie.


Or how come his parents never said (in 1985)..."Hey remember that guy who got us together when we were in High School. I know we named Marty after him but DAMN WOMAN he looks just like him!!!"

 
 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:53 PM

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Did it bother anyone else that the sports almanac seemed too damn small to have every single sports statistic and victory for 50 years?  Just me?

 
no...because if it was any bigger than it couldnt fit in someones back pocket, thus rendering all the suspense filled moments when marty tries to get it back from Biff useless!!!

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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:57 PM
Is anyone else's favorite/most hysterical part of the entire series when old Biff goes back to young Biff. Young Biff walks to his car, sees Old Biff in it, puts his arms up and goes, "Get the hell out of my car old man!"

I love that part.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:58 PM

and Glover I heard wanted a bigger part or more $..or both.
 

 
The story according to Glover is that he just wanted the same pay as the other actors which they weren't willing to give so he refused to be part of this.
 
They then reused some of his old footage in the next movie, he sued, and won.  This actually set a precedent for the use of archive footage and is now recognized by the Screen Actors Guild.
 
The makers of the movie also were vocal in "how hard it was to work with Glover."
 
From what I have gathered from other people that have worked with him, that is the furthest thing from the truth.

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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:09 PM

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Principal Strickland (not Skinner, guys) not having aged at all is supposed to be a joke, like he's a legendary vice principal or something.  (remember when he gets out the shotgun in BTTF2?)


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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:12 PM
Yeah renzdrummer!!  That shit is hilarious!
 
Old Biff: You always did have a way with women Tannen.
Young Biff:  Get the hell out of my car old man!
Old Biff:  You wanna get with that girl, I can make it happen.
Young Biff:  Yeah, who are you Miss Lonely hearts!?
Old Biff:  Just get in the Car butthead.
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:25 PM

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Yeah renzdrummer!!  That shit is hilarious!

Old Biff: You always did have a way with women Tannen.
Young Biff:  Get the hell out of my car old man!
Old Biff:  You wanna get with that girl, I can make it happen.
Young Biff:  Yeah, who are you Miss Lonely hearts!?
Old Biff:  Just get in the Car butthead.
Young Biff: Who you calling butthead, butthead.


"Hey how do you know how to do that? Nobody can start this car but me."

And another hilarious one.

"And another thing, how do you know where I live?"
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:29 PM

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"And another thing, how do you know where I live?"

 
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: renzdrummer
"And another thing, how do you know where I live?"


"Let's just say we're related"

or

"The manure. I remember that" --- like you could forget crashing into a shit truck! LOL!


Well it did happen 2 times to him and 3 times tif you count Mad Dog (Mad Dog! I hate that name! Nobody calls me Mad Dog you hear! Nobody! Specially not some young, no good, yellow bellied, gutta-trash! \tangent) He's probably having a tough time keeping track!
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:56 PM
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:23 PM

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"Take your Damn Hands off Her"

 
I believe it's "Take your meat hooks off her"
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RE: Back to the Future question - Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:37 PM

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