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    edsmythe

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    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:34 PM (permalink)
    So when I bought my copy, I was rung up at register #5 of 8 registers at Best Buy.
     
    And the release date was 6/7 - what are the two whole numbers between 5 and 8?  Coincidence???  I think not.
     
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      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:38 PM (permalink)
      A couple of things...not necessarily nuggets
       
      1. how the hell can 2 balls at each end be up???  When they fall and hit, wont that cause them to stop??
       
      2. The lady in the booklet looks like john myung doing a james labrie dance move (more specifically on Budokan before he starts singing As I Am on a downbeat) .... cummon u noticed
       
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        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:41 PM (permalink)

        ORIGINAL: tofee35

        A couple of things...not necessarily nuggets

        1. how the hell can 2 balls at each end be up???  When they fall and hit, wont that cause them to stop??

        2. The lady in the booklet looks like john myung doing a james labrie dance move (more specifically on Budokan before he starts singing As I Am on a downbeat) .... cummon u noticed


        If it is Myung we better stop calling him a lady......
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          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:31 PM (permalink)
          KERMITthePROG it was an entire chord not just a single note, turn up the volume on ITNOG and listen closer. The same chord that ends ITNOG begins TROAE. A chord is fairly flexible acctually O_O.
           
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            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:26 PM (permalink)

            ORIGINAL: edsmythe

            So when I bought my copy, I was rung up at register #5 of 8 registers at Best Buy.

            And the release date was 6/7 - what are the two whole numbers between 5 and 8?  Coincidence???  I think not.

             
            HAHAHAH
             
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              Possible sychronicity issue on 8V? Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:35 PM (permalink)
              I was just reading on Fark.com a headline that talked about The Dark Side Of The Rainbow, where you play DSOTM as the soundtrack to The Wizard Of Oz, and watch the coincidences blow your mind.

              I wonder if the track 8V goes with any particular film as well?  Just fine a piece of film that is 24 minutes long.  You think this would be the ultimate nugget for DT throw at us?  Most likely it's grasping at straws:  To do something like this would take a LOT of work.
               
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                RE: Possible sychronicity issue on 8V? Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:42 PM (permalink)
                Dark Side of the Rainbow. 
                 
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                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:59 PM (permalink)

                  ORIGINAL: Weymolith

                  I'm really shocked that no one has nailed this one yet :

                  The first guitar chord during the intro of TROAE before the drums, is the same guitar chord played during the old WD&DU concert intros in 1989, as well, it can heard on the menu screen for WD&DR DVD


                  I was getting close, Wey. I kept hearing that chord in my head and acting like Richard Dreyfus in Close Encounters... "This is important... this means something." My co-workers didn't like the mountain of mashed potatoes I made, but eh, screw 'em!

                  Thanks for helping me relieve myself of this very large and stubborn nugget.
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                  To find the balance between all you sense and all you see
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                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:35 AM (permalink)
                    So what's up with the chick head-banging on the rear cover?
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                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:39 AM (permalink)

                      ORIGINAL: Rycher

                      So what's up with the chick head-banging on the rear cover?


                      Simple: The cover has A Fine Piece Of Ass And Balls.
                      To manifest your dreams before you manifest your fears
                      To navigate beyond the treachery of self despair
                      To find the balance between all you sense and all you see
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                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:43 AM (permalink)
                        So, i've been trying to figure out for a couple days now, not neccesarily what the album is about, but what the hell the Octavarium actually IS.  It seems obvious to me that the last track on the album isn't octavarium, but TRoAE... play it on a full-disc repeat thing, they go seamlessly together, and the end of TRoAE re-introduces a melody from 8VA, closing it perfectly.
                         
                        So it occured to me... the Octavarium is the album!  Easy enough, shit, that is what it's called, right?  It should have been obvious, i mean, it's called octavarium, that's what it is!  But i kept thinking, that's not quite it, it's not deep enough yet...
                         
                        Their career is the Octavarium!  "the story ends where it began".  I'm sure a lot of people did the same thing as me the first time they heard 6DoIT, or ToT, heard it, went "wow, that's different, what is it?"  then as you listened to it more, heard those classic Dream Theater elements in there, so it's farther along in the story, and yet still just like the beginning...
                         
                        But no, it's deeper than that!  I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with Rush's Feedback, an album of cover songs that they grew up trying to play, stuff they used to listen to and the like... and i think that's almost what this could be.  All of the "coincidences" of things in the album sounding like other songs, the MANY mentions of other acts/songs, life, or the progression of music is the Octavarium... all of the things they were influenced by, at the beginning of the story, are still here at the end of the story, coming out in their playing, cause as they themselves said "what we have been is what we are" 
                         
                        I don't know, i think the spider picture shows best what the Octavarium is, because it has many layers, the album is a small part of it, but it's something altogether bigger... i still haven't quite put my finger on it, but this album haunts me in a way SFaM does... not just the music, but the story, the mystery, figuring out what's going on... if nothing else, it is a great gimmick to keep you listening to it, and talking about it, but i agree with other people saying there's something bigger that all of this adds up to. 
                         
                         
                        Oh, and i'm glad i'm not the only one who thought the girl neo-dodging the ball on the cover was JM....
                         
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                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:54 AM (permalink)
                          Just a thought: too bad they couldn't get the album out on May 8th...or August 5th for that matter

                          Also, someone should bribe someone at Billboard to fix the charts so that the album debuts at #58 or #85
                           
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                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:01 AM (permalink)

                            ORIGINAL: BigDrahma


                            ORIGINAL: Rycher

                            So what's up with the chick head-banging on the rear cover?


                            Simple: The cover has A Fine Piece Of Ass And Balls.


                            ROFLMAO!!!
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                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:12 AM (permalink)
                              OH NOS! I founded anuthr NUGGGETT!

                              8+5 = 13 = How many fingers Jordan Rudess has!!! WOW!!!

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                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:25 AM (permalink)
                                Back on topic... I'm not sure this has been mentioned, but has anyone noticed the footsteps on the intro of TRoAE?

                                And who else thinks the first the songs are Parts III, IV and V of the AA saga? Lyrically, it seems to fit together. TRoAE and TALW are about living another day; TW is about breaking through the prison walls mentioned in all the songs on the series.
                                 
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                                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:27 AM (permalink)

                                  ORIGINAL: Consub

                                  Back on topic... I'm not sure this has been mentioned, but has anyone noticed the footsteps on the intro of TRoAE?

                                  And who else thinks the first the songs are Parts III, IV and V of the AA saga? Lyrically, it seems to fit together. TRoAE and TALW are about living another day; TW is about breaking through the prison walls mentioned in all the songs on the series.


                                  You haven't opened the booklet yet, have you?
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                                  To navigate beyond the treachery of self despair
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                                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:47 AM (permalink)
                                    Nope... Its not released here, and I don't think it will anytime soon, so I just imported a copy, and downloaded it for the time being (Since I couldn't wait!).

                                    Of course, I haven't received the actual CD yet, so can you please enlighten me? I hear the booklet is amazing, so I'm looking forward to it.
                                     
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                                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:55 AM (permalink)

                                      ORIGINAL: Three

                                      Holy elderberries batman..
                                      I was looking up album covers, and on the 6 degrees cover is a circle devided into eight parts with 2 shaded in...

                                      http://g.sheetmusicplus.com/Look-Inside/covers/WB-0678B.jpg

                                      draw your own conclusions

                                       
                                      Your post made me think at the possibilities of signs from previous album covers on Octavarium.  I'M telling you right now, I think I'm stretching here but here are my thoughts anyways.
                                       
                                      1. WDADU:  represented by the DT logo on the ball (front cover)
                                      2. I&M: The girl on the back cover of the booklet (no I don't think it is JM) could represent the 6 or 7 year old girl on I&W cover but 13 years later (so she would be 19 or 20 years old today)  -  If that's not what she represents, then I have no idea what she is doing there.
                                      3. Awake: represented by the spider  (there's a spider on the front cover of Awake)
                                      4. FII:  The balls on the cover. Usually when they are perfectly align, they will never stop balancing (representing infinity)
                                      5. SFAM: come on guys it's obvious it's the octopus..............no seriously, the only thing I saw is MP is wearing glasses and there are glasses on the newspaper on SFAM  (this is f"@#*n thin as a theory)
                                      6. SDOIT: figure no. 8 which link with the circle on the SDOIT cover
                                      7. TOT: The crows
                                       
                                      Be gentle!
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                      Why do the Gods, sit back and watch, so many lost
                                      What kind of mother, leaves a child in traffic, turning tricks in the dark
                                      What kind of God?
                                      H
                                       
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                                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 2:10 AM (permalink)
                                        I HAVE DISCOVERED THE ULTIMATE NUGGET:
                                         
                                        have you guys noticed that MP is on the note C# (SEE sharp) and he is the only one wearing glasses!!!
                                        PEE POOP
                                         
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                                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 4:03 AM (permalink)

                                          ORIGINAL: tofee35
                                          1. how the hell can 2 balls at each end be up???  When they fall and hit, wont that cause them to stop??

                                          No, they'll bounce back up again, assuming that the collision isn't totally inelastic.  Some energy is lost to heat, sound, and air friction, so the height they achieve on successive bounces is lower.
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                                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 4:58 AM (permalink)
                                            Was wondering if anyone can make out what the voice in the background says at the 14:00 point during Octavarium?
                                            You can find all you need in your mind if you take the time. [awesome] nar nar nar nar squeedily squeedily dee[/awesome]



                                             
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                                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 5:21 AM (permalink)
                                              While we are at it, Can we review the Theme of SFAM.  I always thought the album represented a parallel between memory transference( the theory in psychology where memories and i guess dreams are hereditary to the next generation) and the idea of a crime of passion intertwined.  Can anyone else explain the offical meaning of this album, or is there a piece that works for everyone?
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                                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 5:37 AM (permalink)
                                                All your SFAM questions are answered here:

                                                http://www.dtfaq.com/category/12#1032
                                                You can find all you need in your mind if you take the time. [awesome] nar nar nar nar squeedily squeedily dee[/awesome]



                                                 
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                                                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 AM (permalink)
                                                  Does the very beginning of These Walls remind anyone of the ending of Misunderstood?
                                                   
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                                                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 6:13 AM (permalink)

                                                    ORIGINAL: Honma

                                                    Jesus... you people have too much fucking time on your hands. All I heard on the new album was far, far too much rehashing of riffs, melodies and phrasing. I for one, am sick of it. I don't care how "cool" some people think it is, it's tired, and dull now. DT obviously have the ability to write new shit, I just wish they would.

                                                    Call it "call back" or call TSD a "sequel" to TGP, that's fine, but for me, I'm sick of hearing the same little "nuggets" over and over again.

                                                    That said, I'm disappointed with this album. It's got it's moments, but on a whole, this would've fit perfectly after FII... and I hate FII.

                                                    <waits for the backlash>

                                                     
                                                    +1, except for sacrificed sons and parts of the title track 
                                                     
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                                                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 7:06 AM (permalink)
                                                      Duh! Seems no one still has noticed that the numbers on the dominoes are 3+2=5 and 5+3=8. Yeah, pretty obvious.

                                                      PS If you think that the person on the last page of the booklet is a guy... man you really need to get a girl
                                                       
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                                                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 7:27 AM (permalink)
                                                        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                         
                                                        if you add the numbers of the total album length (75:48) it is:
                                                        7+5+4+8= 24 = length of octavarium
                                                         
                                                        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                         
                                                        the church bell at the beginning of "talw" rings 8 times
                                                        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                         
                                                        koma
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
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                                                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 7:39 AM (permalink)
                                                          This thread, much like the album, is so long that it's finally started to repeat itself with the same nuggets. OMG ENDZ WEREI T BEGINNSS!!!11
                                                           

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                                                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 8:13 AM (permalink)

                                                            ORIGINAL: Bogie


                                                            ORIGINAL: willyjones
                                                            3 is also the number of original members currently in the band...


                                                            AND THE THIRD IS LOVE - LOVE IS DANCE OF ETERNITYTT

                                                            OMG...OCTAVARIUIUM IS METORORPOLIS PRAT 3???!1!?PREGUNTA MARK??!!!1


                                                            LOL! Awesome! Now how do those dancing turtles fit in there?

                                                             
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                                                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 11:35 AM (permalink)

                                                              ORIGINAL: Panic Attack

                                                              If you pay close attention, the background for tracks 5 and 8 are different from the rest. Tracks 1,2,3,4,6,7 have all the same "wallpaper" or "Background"

                                                              The 3 birds on the domino pic are the 3 original members: JM JP and MP they are looking down on 4 tombs
                                                              1. Chriss colins (original dt singer)
                                                              2. Charlie Domicci (2nd dt singer)
                                                              3. Kevin Moore (1st Keyboardist)
                                                              4.Derek Sherinian (2nd keyboardist)

                                                              The boy on the first and final page represents us.
                                                              Us listening to the album THEN us discussing the album on the message boards.


                                                              I just wanted to jump in and say that this post is completely wrong in every possible way.

                                                              - How do you see the songs' backgrounds being different?  The dominoes picture is the background of Track 2.
                                                              - 4 tombs?  I see 2, IF you count the dominoes as tombstones.  It is also generally accepted that the 3 birds are the three people who left, Charlie, Kevin and Derek.  Chris Collins wouldn't count since he didn't record any official material with them (aka the official studio albums).
                                                              - I completely disagree with people saying the kid at the end is "us discussing the album".  It's more like an M. C. Escher painting ... the kid is talking to himself, but only when the album loops ("this story ends where it began", etc).
                                                              Hooray for this signature.
                                                               
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                                                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 11:45 AM (permalink)
                                                                 woohooo my first post on MP.com!!
                                                                 
                                                                so here are some observations noticed by my sister when looking at the album..  pretty intuitive if you ask me....
                                                                 
                                                                When looking at the Majesty symbol, you will see a V in the center, the Roman numeral for 5 - and there are three vertical lines, or capital "I's " if you will, which when added to the V create the Roman numeral for 8. 

                                                                And what the hell is an Octavarium anyway?   She found a reference to Octavarium on the web, while checking "dictionary.com".  OK, here goes.
                                                                I found a reference to a religious book, (here's the link:
                                                                http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11203b.htm )  It's called the Octavarium
                                                                Romanum, a Roman liturgical book to be used to broaden studies.  The book was first mentioned in the pontification of Sixtus V (1585-90) (Sixtus the FIFTH in fifteen EIGHTY FIVE, 1985 being when Dream Theater was first formed) and then was not mentioned again until it was brought up under Clement VIII (1592-1605)
                                                                (That's Clement the EIGHTH) 

                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                Hmmmmmmmmm

                                                                 
                                                                 
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                                                                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 11:47 AM (permalink)

                                                                  ORIGINAL: Idrumbad
                                                                  P.S. With all of this talk of numbers, 5 points to anyone who can place this reference:
                                                                  "That's it! 25 is the highest number! If anyone says anything else about it, I'll shoot him."


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                                                                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:06 PM (permalink)
                                                                    I just noticed that the booklet has 8 pages, including the front and back covers. Cool.
                                                                     
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                                                                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:33 PM (permalink)

                                                                      ORIGINAL: th3x3n0cid3

                                                                      I HAVE DISCOVERED THE ULTIMATE NUGGET:

                                                                      have you guys noticed that MP is on the note C# (SEE sharp) and he is the only one wearing glasses!!!

                                                                       
                                                                      Wow......if that was intentional, MP is really messing with us because he knows what a sick, obsessive bunch we are.
                                                                       
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                                                                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:50 PM (permalink)
                                                                        OMG OMG I JUST REALIZE THAT THE NUMBER 8 IT'S THE INFINITY SYMBOL UPSIDE DOWN,OCTAVARIUM IS FALLING INTO INFINITY PART 2 OMG OMG!!!!1111

                                                                        OMFG!!!!!
                                                                         
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                                                                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 12:58 PM (permalink)
                                                                          HOW COULD NOBODY FOUND THIS BIG NUGGET?!?!



                                                                          Carpe Diem !
                                                                           
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                                                                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:16 PM (permalink)
                                                                            first off, that McTavarium post is great. 

                                                                            Second, I thought I'd sum up all the PLAUSIBLE and SIGNIFICANT nuggets (tell me if I've missed some). This post was actually first made on the ProgArchives forums by me with all original ideas, before being a member of this forum (except where I say otherwise).



                                                                            We'll start with the cover. As you all probably noticed, when folded out it makes one complete picture includiung front and back. This forms a Newton's Cradle with 8 balls. There are five birds, strategically located. If you imagine the first balls as F on a keyboard, the first bird is F#. This pattern continues with the balls representing white keys and the birds representing the black keys. I'm still unsure as to the significance of the person in the wierd position on the back. Any suggestions would be welcome. All I can come up with is that the theme of circles is present in the way that she is waving her body/hair in circles. It's a stretch, I know.

                                                                            Then comes the first page. We see a young boy hold one of those can and twine telephones held up to his ear. The line trails off of the left side of the page.

                                                                            Second page we get credits. Nothing special.

                                                                            Page 3: there is a treble clef and staff in the top left corner with the key of F minor and time signature 1/8 preciding the text "the root of all evil." The one represents the number of the track. Below this header are the lyrics.

                                                                            Next page we are presented with the same header except the key og G minor and time signature 2/8 is shown before "the answer lies within." It is all set against a picture of a hillside reminiscent of the cover with two monstrous dominoes in the foreground and middleground. The first dominoe has 3 and 2 on the face (5) and the second has a 5 and 3 (8). This reflects the number of black and white keys in one octave of a keyboard, and also represents the five band members. There are some birds flying around (3), but I see no real significance in this.

                                                                            The next page has the key of A minor and time siganture 3/8. The next page shows an 8-sided maze with a spider (8 legs) in the center. There are five layers to the maze, again depicting the common 5 vs. 8 theme. There is no way to get out of the maze unless the spider breaks down the walls on the last layer ("Break down these walls for me")

                                                                            Next page has the familiar header with the key of B minor and time signature 4/8 shown.

                                                                            Page 8 has the header for panic attack (C minor and 5/8).

                                                                            The next page has two headers, one in D minor and 6/8 for never enough and one in E minor and 7/8 for sacrificed sons. Never Enough is the first song NOT in the time signature denoted by its track number. (Saying TROAE is in 1/8 and TALW is in 2/8 is scraping by on a technicallity, but still)

                                                                            The opposite page shows an OCTOpus with FIVE fish and an OCTAgonal sign with the Dream Theater Logo inscribed.

                                                                            The following page has F minor and 8/8 for Octavarium parts I and II.

                                                                            Opposite this page is a sheet of grid paper with a very complex structure mapped out (The builing that IS an Octavarium?). At first glance it is obviously the same as the symbol on the CD itself, an OCTOgon with a FIVE-pointed star inscribed. Dimensions are given on a 5:8 scale. The dimensions are a 29 foot and 6 and 3/4 inch square, with right triangles with legs of 8 feet 8 inches cut off. (The 8'8" is actually not explicitly given. Instead they chose to give a hypotenuse of 12'3" which yields, using basic trig, sides of 8'8"). There are spaces in each wall of dimensions 5'8" (again, five vs. eight. these dimensions are also not explicitly stated, but if you take the measure of each square and multiply by 3 you get 5'8"). The rest of the structure's drawing's significance escapes me. Any help here would be appreciated.
                                                                            Of course, there is one more aspect not specefically related to the structure itself. Around the edge (starting at the left most side and going clockwise) the F Lydian scale is spelled out. Inside the walls are the accidentals that would be present should it be a chromatic scale, one for each point of the star.

                                                                            On the following page the remainder of 8vm's lyrics are written out (parts III through V).

                                                                            The final page shows the same boy as the first page, holding the other side of the can and twine telephone, this time talking into it instead of listening. To his right is the list of the five members of DT and what they perform on the CD. The "telephone line" leads off of the right side of the page, symbolizing that it leads back to the first page. Note also that the boy at the beginning is passive (listening) while the boy at the end is active (talking). This follows the album's theme of waking up from a "catatonic sleep."

                                                                            The inside of the jewel case under the CD slot has an 8 ball with the Majesty logo where the 8 should be.

                                                                            The back side of the jewel case has a keyboard with the 8 track names on their respective white keys, and the members on their 5 black keys.

                                                                            a few more things (the following, sadly, were not my own thoughts. Citations to the peeps on MP.com board)

                                                                            the heartbeat from "These Walls" to "I Walk Beside You" is going at 58 bpm.

                                                                            the ending to "Panic Attack" is repeated 8 times.

                                                                            Bell at beginning of "The Answer" tolls 8 times

                                                                            The 3 birds in the dominoe scene could represent Charles Dominici, Kevin Moore, and Derek Sherinian. Also note that 8-5 is 3.

                                                                             
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                                                                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:21 PM (permalink)
                                                                              Make that horrible man go away! The nightmares will be return tonight!
                                                                              Here he comes. Here comes John Wayne. "I'm not going to cry about my Pa. I'm going to build an airport... Put my name on it." Why, Michael? So you can fly away from your feelings?
                                                                               
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                                                                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Friday, June 10, 2005 1:57 PM (permalink)

                                                                                Track 1 -- "The ROOT of All Evil"
                                                                                Track 8 -- "Octavarium"

                                                                                Musically, the first note of a scale is the ROOT, and the 8th is the OCTAVE.

                                                                                Track 5 -- Panic Attack is 8:13 long -- 13 is 8+5 (This one I'm going to leave up to coincidence, that's just too weird.)

                                                                                Track 6 -- Never Enough ... It's a "down" song, really, very negative -- the 6th of a major scale is the corresponding MINOR key.

                                                                                 
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