Nuggets on Octavarium

This might be dillusional on my part but did anyone else detect a little black metal rif****e at the begining of Panic Attack?

Not sure if there's any significance to this at all, but the 8-ball appears to float over the felt of the table since the shadow is not touching the ball.  Why?

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Nope... Its not released here, and I don't think it will anytime soon, so I just imported a copy, and downloaded it for the time being (Since I couldn't wait!).

Of course, I haven't received the actual CD yet, so can you please enlighten me? I hear the booklet is amazing, so I'm looking forward to it.

"The Root of All Evil" is steps 6 and 7 of the AA trilogy thingy...

"Searching for something, to lash out at..."

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KERMITthePROG it was an entire chord not just a single note, turn up the volume on ITNOG and listen closer. The same chord that ends ITNOG begins TROAE. A chord is fairly flexible acctually O_O.

It's an F. A tone. not a chord. In fact, if the track on the album is the one Jordan recorded on the extra footage of the cd, he played it with his nose. One note. Not a chord.

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This might be dillusional on my part but did anyone else detect a little black metal rif****e at the begining of Panic Attack?

I posted about it. It's a Tourniquette riff exactly. I forget which song but it's on the "Pathogenic Occular Dissonance" album.

Octavarium it's because the songs rolls from F -> to F ???  8 Tones... ( o scales or whatever)

I was looking at the "Images And Words" booklet and I found a strange coincidence: part of the copyrights are owned by Octa Music, inc.
 
Anyone knows who owns Octa Music, inc.? Is it Kevin?

"Do not try and bend Rule 15. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth."
"What truth?"
"There is no Rule 15."
 - The Matrix: Weyvolutions

Towards the end of SS, the melody is that of a kids nursery rhyme, Teddy Bears Picnic.

OMG!! THE BALLS REPRESENT 'LICK MY ASS AND BALLS'!!!
 
 
OMGOMG!!!111 ROFLCOPTER! I WAS 8 YEARS OLD ONCE!!!!!!!111oneoneone

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OMG!! THE BALLS REPRESENT 'LICK MY ASS AND BALLS'!!!


OMGOMG!!!111 ROFLCOPTER! I WAS 8 YEARS OLD ONCE!!!!!!!111oneoneone

LOLZ! I'm 17! 1+7=8!!!! TEH NUGGETZ! with sweetnsour sauce pls kthxbye

What stands in the way, becomes the way. 

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste a lot of it" Lucius Seneca

Thanks for contributing njjdevil...great stuff there...
 

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Towards the end of SS, the melody is that of a kids nursery rhyme, Teddy Bears Picnic.

 
I have a 2 year old kid (avatar) and definitely picked up on the teddy bears picnic melody. The actualy teddy bear song is kinda evil sounding to be a kids song.

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P.S. With all of this talk of numbers, 5 points to anyone who can place this reference:
"That's it! 25 is the highest number! If anyone says anything else about it, I'll shoot him."

MR. SHOW!

(sorry if anyone else already pointed this out)

A few weeks ago James Labrie had an interview somewhere.
One of the things he talked about was about their plans after 8V. (since their current label deal ended)
He soundes like there were huge ideas but he couldn't tell us more about it.
 
Since SDOIT the ending of the album is the beginning of the next album.
Though I think the next album after 8V will not start with the ending of 8V.
After 8V the balls goes back. The last note of 8V is the first note of 8V is the last note of TOT.
Then it goes back till the end of SFAM.
 
When making SDOIT I think they started to ponder about what to do after (the in those days unknown) 8V.
That's why 2 out of 8 parts of the circle on the SDOIT cover are blacked out.
Since then the albums flowing over in each other started. Untill the end of 8V, now it goes back again.
 
What if Never Enough is a hard hit at the label as well? Perhaps most at Magna Cartna and the WDADU
label. What if I walk away.......... from the labels. Never enough.....
 
They made SDOIT, TOT and 8V in a very short time.
Almost like they wanted to end their current label deal as soon as possible.
 
WDADU - TOT = Dream Theater's first octave
 
I would say that it's their last album were it not for the fact that I can't see Mike stopping with
music all together, so a "what if I would walk away" could not be directed to the fans.
And not so long ago Mike said in an interview they expected to make many more albums.
 
8V is the end of the 1st Dream Theater Era. That's what it's all about.
What will the next era bring us? I think something totally different. They have their ideas.......

That was a really good analysis CyberShy

I was wondering some of those things -the end of an era- but you explained it very well, probably better than I would have.

I wanna know what the hell "diem's ready" means. I know every reference in those two verses except for that one.

Do the TOT / SDOIT albums give new insights now?
The booklets of these albums?
 
what are new possibilities for a 9th / P2-1st album?
5.1?
DVD release?
or am I sounding like someone's who's having never enough now

I think I just made a pretty major discovery... unless someone has already pointed this out a while ago (I'll feel really stupid).

In the Intervals section of Octavarium, each stanza (or whatever it is) corresponds to each song on the album.

1. The Root of All Evil - "Our deadly sins feel his mortal wrath, remove all obstacles from our path"

2. The Answer Lies Within - "Asking questions, search for clues, the answer's been right in front of you"

3. These Walls - "Try to break through, long to connect, fall on deaf ears and failed muted breath"

4. I Walk Beside You - "Loyalty, trust, faith and desire, carries love through each darkest fire"

5. Panic Attack - "Tortured insanity, a smothering hell, try to escape but to no avail"

6. Never Enough - "The calls of admirers, who claim they adore, drain all your lifeblood while begging for more"

7. Sacrificed Sons - "Innocent victims of merciless crimes, fall prey to some madmen's impulsive designs"

8. Octavarium - "Step after step, we try controlling our fate, when we finally start living it has become too late"

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Eh, I figured. It was too obvious.

Perhaps it is DM's ready which could be a D&D reference since the game was created in the late 70s.
 
That section seems to be a bunch of pop culture/music references from the late 60s/70s.
 
Mean Gene the Dance Machine lol

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Perhaps it is DM's ready which could be a D&D reference since the game was created in the late 70s.

That section seems to be a bunch of pop culture/music references from the late 60s/70s.

In the second part of the song (MEDICATE (Awakening)) we get to know that the "I" of the song has been in coma for 30 years...

So, we haven't yet come to a conclusion of WHAT exactly is going on in 8v the song, I mean we're talking about how it relates to all the other songs in teh album, and the artwork, and the symbolism that's all over the place, but WHAT EXACTLY is Octavarium (the song) really about? Yes, we have a tidbit from the interval's section mention, but aside from that...? What is going on? Who is this "I" in the song, the doctor, who thinks he's cured something from him, how does that relate to "Someone like Him", and how does that connect to the Intervals section and "Full Circle" section? What's the story in this song?  

What stands in the way, becomes the way. 

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste a lot of it" Lucius Seneca

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So, we haven't yet come to a conclusion of WHAT exactly is going on in 8v the song, I mean we're talking about how it relates to all the other songs in teh album, and the artwork, and the symbolism that's all over the place, but WHAT EXACTLY is Octavarium (the song) really about? Yes, we have a tidbit from the interval's section mention, but aside from that...? What is going on? Who is this "I" in the song, the doctor, who thinks he's cured something from him, how does that relate to "Someone like Him", and how does that connect to the Intervals section and "Full Circle" section? What's the story in this song?  

My 0.02 euros: it's just a prog suite. It's just telling a story... maybe some simbolism about their lives... but not too much IMO. Nuggets are intended to be funny little things, not deep meanings - why would someone hide something if he thinks it's the main message to convey?

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So, we haven't yet come to a conclusion of WHAT exactly is going on in 8v the song, I mean we're talking about how it relates to all the other songs in teh album, and the artwork, and the symbolism that's all over the place, but WHAT EXACTLY is Octavarium (the song) really about? Yes, we have a tidbit from the interval's section mention, but aside from that...? What is going on? Who is this "I" in the song, the doctor, who thinks he's cured something from him, how does that relate to "Someone like Him", and how does that connect to the Intervals section and "Full Circle" section? What's the story in this song?  

My 0.02 euros: it's just a prog suite. It's just telling a story... maybe some simbolism about their lives... but not too much IMO. Nuggets are intended to be funny little things, not deep meanings - why would someone hide something if he thinks it's the main message to convey?

Exactly, but we still don't know what is going on, and I for one would like to know a bit better the situation, what's going on. In ACOS for example, we know it's about Mike and all, and it's quite clear, but here it appears to be deeper than this. I don't know, I like to find deeper meaning in things. Besides, the song in itself is not giving any clues as to what is going on with whomever it's about. Been 30 years where? Be like whom?

Because, as much as it can be about themselves and the band, the song itself, aside from its relation to the band, tells a particular story in its lyrics and music, a trip, if you will, through that particular reality, and I'd like to know the circumstances of this song's story.

What stands in the way, becomes the way. 

"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste a lot of it" Lucius Seneca

First let me say I love Octavarium.  Now, I think I've noticed something in the music/audio that no one else has mentioned in this thread.
 
At the end of "These Walls," in the transitional track between it and "I Walk Beside You," we have the heartbeat.  Immediately after the third heart beat I can hear a tiny pop out of the left speaker channel.  You may have to crank your volume a bit to hear this.
 
So I'm wondering, could it be a nugget or simple mastering glitch?  It could simply be a spot between two audio splices that didn't get smoothed down perfectly.  Or is our beating heart about to pop or something...?
 
Anyone else hear the "pop" ?
 

The train has left the station ...

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Exactly, but we still don't know what is going on, and I for one would like to know a bit better the situation, what's going on. In ACOS for example, we know it's about Mike and all, and it's quite clear, but here it appears to be deeper than this. I don't know, I like to find deeper meaning in things. Besides, the song in itself is not giving any clues as to what is going on with whomever it's about. Been 30 years where? Be like whom?

Because, as much as it can be about themselves and the band, the song itself, aside from its relation to the band, tells a particular story in its lyrics and music, a trip, if you will, through that particular reality, and I'd like to know the circumstances of this song's story.

I completely Agree. We'll have to wait for MP for some explanation ... this story IS greatly PROG (yes, all CAPS), and to be precise the kind of PROG I like the most :D

(gee, we could fill dtfaq.com with just this thread...)

Octavarium is good.

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The arpeggio that the strings play near the very end of Octavarium is an 8-note arpeggio.

OK i know someone asked what the 5:8 relationship was about and i dont know if anyone has said this though. Maybe the 5:8 relationship has to do with the perfect chord progression. In tonal harmony the first thing that someone learns is that the V is the perfect setup chord for 1...which is the same as 8. if the V to I chord resembles the perfect chord progression, then maybe its symbolic of the circle...which many can view as the perfect shape. its perfect in both ways. just a thought...

I'm still wondering what the deal is w/ those "footstep" sounds at the beginning of TROAE.
Any ideas??

I'm too lazy to look through this whole thread to see if it's been said yet or not.

Probably, because it seemed pretty obvious to me.

Jingle Bells during the title track, around 17:50

Maybe it's already been mentioned

"If you ever fall off a tall building like the Sears Tower, go real limp, and maybe someone will think you're a dummy and catch you, because hey, free dummy"

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So, we haven't yet come to a conclusion of WHAT exactly is going on in 8v the song, I mean we're talking about how it relates to all the other songs in teh album, and the artwork, and the symbolism that's all over the place, but WHAT EXACTLY is Octavarium (the song) really about? Yes, we have a tidbit from the interval's section mention, but aside from that...? What is going on? Who is this "I" in the song, the doctor, who thinks he's cured something from him, how does that relate to "Someone like Him", and how does that connect to the Intervals section and "Full Circle" section? What's the story in this song?  

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Any idea what the vocals and noises are during Part IV Intervals on the title track?

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OK i know someone asked what the 5:8 relationship was about and i dont know if anyone has said this though. Maybe the 5:8 relationship has to do with the perfect chord progression. In tonal harmony the first thing that someone learns is that the V is the perfect setup chord for 1...which is the same as 8. if the V to I chord resembles the perfect chord progression, then maybe its symbolic of the circle...which many can view as the perfect shape. its perfect in both ways. just a thought...

 
In functional harmony, a V -> I progression is called a "Circle Progression". Thus, the circular theme has surfaced once again in the 5 and 8 theme of this album.

never herad it called that...but sweet! anyone think maybe thats what the 5:8 relationship is about?

We'll meet again my friend, some day soon.

this wouldnt suprise me coming from mike portnoy
 
listen to octavarium, at exactly 18:54 you can hear what sounds like mike portnoy burping (from the video preview he released of the octavarium drums)
 
funny!!

PEE POOP

a couple things about that section
 
thats actually MP saying Third in a very low voice as many people have already mentioned
also right before that the whole craziness was so D.O.E
When Jlb is screaming you can hear what sound like lyrics to another song on this album
& its just like that section in that one TOT song that has this Demonic sort of distorted JLB singing (i know you can be 1 w/ god & man).
 

yeah it does loL!

Speaking of 5:8 being like a V:I progression, maybe this is also a reference to the CIRCLE of FIFTHS. The story comes full circle to where it begins. And 'fifths' is another reference to the 5 band members.
 
Maybe I need some sleep.

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8+5 = 13 = How many fingers Jordan Rudess has!!! WOW!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!! Good one man! I laughed... loud! hehehe
 

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Was wondering if anyone can make out what the voice in the background says at the 14:00 point during Octavarium?

 
Yeah dude.... I can make out, really well actually.
It's been mentioned a few times in the thread already.
It's the whole "This is were we came in" thing : http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/fb.aspx?m=884285
 

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Not sure if there's any significance to this at all, but the 8-ball appears to float over the felt of the table since the shadow is not touching the ball.  Why?

Cause it's sexier that way yo!
 
 
 
 
Okay so, here's some ideas behind the actual "Octavarium" concept.
 
It has been said that 8V is the new ACOS. In such thinking, one might expect 8V to have some 'life lesson' type message. ( ACOS is renound for having a "Seize the Day" message, hence it also(in a more general way) has a very 'reflect on your life' type message too.) So, just to say, I think that's basically the idea behind it: It's giving a 'life lesson' message kinda thing (I think that makes sense, it does to me) The message this time, instead of being "Seize the day" is about how history repeats itself. It's about how there's nothing truely NEW in life and everything is just recycled. It's about how so much is passed on from one generation to the next, from father to son. And about how it will always be this way.
 
Quick over view of the lyrics yo:
 
SOMEONE LIKE HIM: appears to be the classic story of a son who doesn't want to be like his father. Then he ends up becoming like him anyway. (even more, he realises at the end of this section that he DOES want to be like him.)
 
next MEDICATE (Awakening) hehehe I must admit remains quite mysterious to me. The fact that Doctor is capitalized bafflz me.  It makes me think that perhaps the whole section is a metaphore.
At any rate, the general gist of this 2nd section seems clear: he feels he's been missing out on life. (for 30 years where have I been). He's obviously understood something now though.
The last stanza states "I feel the relaps" It's like he's backsliding. Like he can't help but stay in his ways notwithstanding his revelation.
As I said, I don't know about this one.
The other possiblility is that HE had an accident that changed his life. Dono.
 
Next FULL CIRCLE Mike here cleaverly puts forth the idea that everything is recycled. (I think it's obvious enough how..... no?! Pfffffffff)
 
INTERVALS retraces the steps of the actual album, but also paints a beautiful and painfully accurate picture of the human race's story since the dawn of time.
 
"Step after step
We try controlling our fate
When we finally start living it has become too late"
 
This, the same feeling that birthed Carpe Diem has been around for as long as man kind. And it will never leave us, we're trapped inside this OC TA VA RI UM!
 
RAZOR'S EDGE simply clarifies the concept: We move in circles - This story ends where it began
 
 
Granted details lack, but this must be the general message behind the song.
 
Fuckin brilliant.
 
 
 
 
 
okay here's some other shit.
It was mentioned in one of the first pages that the maze has 8 openings. It also has 8 blocking walls (the ones pointing inwards to the center of the maze)
 
It's been mentioned (more than once) that the boy talking a listening may represent us and that kinda stuff. I think it's a simple message (to us or whoever) that we should always listen before we talk.
 
I can't believe we have no clue who the freakin chick is! WTF is up with that??!?!?! hahahaha!!!
 
okay, I might be smoking something on this one: the whole front cover (and the back side of it where the chick is) seems to have something more to it. I don't mean something small. I mean something that covers the whole thing.
I was thinking mayeb it's one of the 3d things. Last night I was on a bus and pretty tired. But I blurred my eyes the way you do to look at one of those 3d pic things. and I swear it worked.... but this was after I stared at it upside down for half an hour. oh btw, it works better if your try the 3d thing looking at it upside down. hahaha
 
and I have another nugget, that I'm REALLY suprised noone has noticed, but I'm not going to share it until I'm really sure..... which I hope will be very soon now. Sorry.
 
okay enough of this madness for now yo. PEace!

Amazing post energy4anger!

Parts I and II are probably about the same person; seems to fit... Maybe Panic Attack is too... Part III is by far the most interesting. MP must have put a LOT of thought into it! With all the musical references, I don't know whats going on... no clue... Warning: Everything I say is mindless speculation...

The chorus does sound like the recycle idea. But the musical ref verses seem like bringing the whole of music history together. Again, I've no clue...

I think the whole album is part of one giant puzzle, not just the song. The clues lie in the booklet, I would say. Never Enough has 2 meanings, as far as I can see; and Sacrificed Sons is confusing, lyrically.

Oh, since no one replied, any clue about the backing vocals during Intervals? Also, anyone notice footsteps right at the beginning of TRoAE.

Can't wait for your next nugget!

I'm thoroughly convinced this is a giant tribute album in addition to whatever else it is. Suddenly the obvious influences doesn't bother me at all.

Slartibartfast

Was wondering if anyone can make out what the voice in the background says at the 14:00 point during Octavarium?

 
Sounds to me like he's saying "Senator be careful" (Senator Edward Baynes - The Miracle, from Scenes from a Memory)
 
 

PEE POOP

Does anyone else hear the 'AIM messenger alert' at 7:05 on Octavarium (the song).  WTF is that?!!

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Does anyone else hear the 'AIM messenger alert' at 7:05 on Octavarium (the song).  WTF is that?!!

I hear nothing... Maybe we are all hearing different things? Musical illusions... hmm...

I keep thinking I"m getting an AIM message, but it only occurs at this point in the song. Weird. Not only that, but my AIM isn't even on.

i think octavarium is a good collection of music

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ok...two more,
 
"endless string impossible to break"...from pt2...could that be the string be related to the two boys communicating on 8v's art work?
 
anyone else notice the voice patch in the keys at  17:38 of 8v is the same as in the key solo on LaB....

"PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH...Transfering Data into code..."

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Does anyone else hear the 'AIM messenger alert' at 7:05 on Octavarium (the song).  WTF is that?!!

I hear nothing... Maybe we are all hearing different things? Musical illusions... hmm...

I don't hear it either.  I just hear JMs bass.  It would be pretty funny if it was the AIM sound considering it would be right after JLB says "my aim"

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I'm thoroughly convinced this is a giant tribute album in addition to whatever else it is. Suddenly the obvious influences doesn't bother me at all.

 
That's what i was trying to get to in a post a couple pages back, like rush's Feedback... That the endless cycle of the octavarium is music, it ends where it begins, people end up sounding like their influences, so they wanted to show some of that here.

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never herad it called that...but sweet! anyone think maybe thats what the 5:8 relationship is about?

 
I hear the circle of fifths and all being a viable explanation but maybe even simpler than that, I was thinking it is there 8th studio album in the year 2005

<smartass> Wasn't it their first album in 2005?<end smartass>

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So, anyone found another SERIOUS nugget yet?! (like, the one that I mentioned maybe?!?!?!)

I've been looking more big-picture than anything, wondering about the octavarium itself, what it is, whatever...
 
But where's the other big nug you promised?

I think I've noticed something in the music/audio that no one else has mentioned in this thread.

At the end of "These Walls," in the transitional track between it and "I Walk Beside You," we have the heartbeat.  Immediately after the third heart beat I can hear a tiny pop or distortion out of the left speaker channel.  Sometimes it sounds like lips smacking to me.  You may have to crank your volume a bit to hear this (as I listen with earbuds and the volume on maximum).

So I'm wondering, could it be a nugget or simple mastering glitch?  It could simply be a spot between two audio splices that didn't get smoothed down perfectly.  Or is our beating heart about to pop or something...?

Anyone else hear the pop/glitch ?  Somebody else please try to verify it for me.

The train has left the station ...

I'm hearing things, but nothing major... I'm hearing more and more on each listen.

The 3rd heartbeats on These Walls sounds like a glitch to me... But it can be something else. However, the noises in the background are CREEEEEPY when turned on full volume. I honestly had my heard beating with it. The hearbeats are repeated 8x2 = 16 times on These Walls, and carries on to I Walk Beside You. Now, this "heartbeat", is nearly identical to the bass drum patten on U2's "Beautiful Day", which is a little faster.

At least give us some clue about your "serious nugget", energy4anger!

I also heard (although i haven't checked to verify) that the heart beats at 58 BPM... which is REALLY creepy and WAY too well thought out by these guys, anyone with a met really close wanna verify?

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He wasn't owned at all... He emphasised the 5 in 2005. Thier 8th studio album and it was released in the year 2005. He was 100% correct in what he was getting at and quite clear in presenting it.

Not sure if this has been mentioned or maybe I'm just trying too hard but in the diagram inside the jacket art for Octavarium, it says Fig.8. A "figure 8" on its side is the infinity symbol. :) I could go furthur and say, "infinity has 3 vowels, 5 consanants, and of course total of 8 letters."
I don't think anyone has posted this yet. Sorry if it's a repeat.
-Drummer519

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He wasn't owned at all... He emphasised the 5 in 2005. Thier 8th studio album and it was released in the year 2005. He was 100% correct in what he was getting at and quite clear in presenting it.

 
dude..... your post lacks smileys, so I dono if ur serious.
But my original one did too, so maybe that's the problem....
Point being, I was just playing around.
 
 

wich is the end note of TOT  (I believe)

Probably mentioned already but thread is too long for me to check right now...........

At 2:55 in TALW, the strings play the 8V (song) melody.

Sorry if it is obvious but I am just now getting to listen to the CD with earphones and I'm hearing so much more in the music.

Later.

I just listened to the album once more all the way through..with headphones..and came up with these.

The birds placement between the strings on the cover corresponds with the black and white keys on the black cover. For this, the strings themselves correspond to the white keys.

Secondly..I'm more proud of this one.
"The James LaBrie Coma Saga" - tentative title.

Disappear, Vacant, and part II of Octavarium, Medicate (awakening) are obviously connected. Disappear is in the point of view of the person going into the coma or whatever it is. Vacant is another person speaking about the "victim", and then in Medicate, the person is waking up again. Perhaps someone else has come up with that already but I haven't seen it so I'm considering it original.

Just like the keys on a piano octave, there is a segue in between tracks 1 and 2, 2 and 3, 3 and 4, 5 and 6, and 6 and 7, with a straight transfer between 4 and 5, and 7 and 8.  The segues could represent the sharps/flats on a keyboard.  That is really cool.  I don't know if it's been posted here or not, but it was suggested on DT.net, and I confirmed it.

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Secondly..I'm more proud of this one.
"The James LaBrie Coma Saga" - tentative title.

Disappear, Vacant, and part II of Octavarium, Medicate (awakening) are obviously connected. Disappear is in the point of view of the person going into the coma or whatever it is. Vacant is another person speaking about the "victim", and then in Medicate, the person is waking up again. Perhaps someone else has come up with that already but I haven't seen it so I'm considering it original.

Dude!  That is so outstanding!  Wonder if he did that on purpose.

And no, I haven't seen anyone else mention that before now.

What about the end of Octavarium?  How it is the beginning of The Root of All Evil with the last key on ToT and then the sounds in the back.  Does this mean they are discontinuing the whole 'start the next album with the ending of the previous album'?

sounds in the back. Does this mean they are discontinuing the whole 'start the next album with the ending of the

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What about the end of Octavarium?  How it is the beginning of The Root of All Evil with the last key on ToT and then the sounds in the back.  Does this mean they are discontinuing the whole 'start the next album with the ending of the previous album'?

I would say it just signifies the last words on the album "This story ends were it began", or "we've come full circle"

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 Disappear is in the point of view of the person going into the coma or whatever it is.

 
never thought of it like that...i thought Disappear was about someone losing a loved one to death.

We'll meet again my friend, some day soon.

mike seriously needs to show up and give us a nice outline of these nuggets... cuz this is some insane shit... fuking genius bastards
 
BTW: it took me the whole octavarium album to read this thread....weird aint it

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Secondly..I'm more proud of this one.
"The James LaBrie Coma Saga" - tentative title.

Disappear, Vacant, and part II of Octavarium, Medicate (awakening) are obviously connected. Disappear is in the point of view of the person going into the coma or whatever it is. Vacant is another person speaking about the "victim", and then in Medicate, the person is waking up again. Perhaps someone else has come up with that already but I haven't seen it so I'm considering it original.

James LaBrie plays a man lying in coma on Ayreons "The Human Equation". But maybe this issue goes a bit to far.

So, i've heard a lot of people talk about the "godfather" part of 8va, the first flute melody that comes in, but does anyone other than me think it sounds a lot like Santana's Europa?  If the last 2 notes were switched it'd be almost right on.

I don't know if this has been said already.. but the piano part in The Answer Lies Within (00.14-00.26) reminds me of My Immortal (i guess?) by Evanescence.. hm. 

And the main riff of The Root Of All Evil (01.00-01.04 that part) has similarities with Burning My Soul

Also (probably has been said already, but what the heck) to the people who seem to be very surprised at the beginning note of 8V being the same as the ending note of TOT... that's also happening with SFAM/SDOIT (the rain/noise) and SDOIT/TOT (the gong)

ORIGINAL: Rabidmonk5

What about the end of Octavarium?  How it is the beginning of The Root of All Evil with the last key on ToT and then the sounds in the back.  Does this mean they are discontinuing the whole 'start the next album with the ending of the previous album'?


I would say it just signifies the last words on the album "This story ends were it began", or "we've come full circle"

Because they're done now with their label, right? Could be it.

Just a thought, if the story ends where it begins, we seem too hung up on the music aspect.

The story ends with The Root of All Evil

Would that mean that the next album would begin with where TROAE left off? Hmmm...

I truly agree with you that there is a theme of history repeating itself.  Moreover, terrorism seems to be somewhat of a subject to this octavarium, therefore i think the <tin can phone> might represent the misinformation that was given to president Bush before the terrorist attacks.  I might be going out on a limb here, but i think this idea is in parts of the whole album.  This can also go with you theory about the SOMEONE LIKE HIM concept( maybe another allusion to the current president).  Especially in INTERVALS, it seems that negative feelings about the war and the negative aspects of history  being repeated in general are being stated.  I guess its possible.
-BKJ

I love teachers... you do something wrong, they make you do it over again. R.I.P. Rodney

ORIGINAL: thorbahn


Secondly..I'm more proud of this one.
"The James LaBrie Coma Saga" - tentative title.

Disappear, Vacant, and part II of Octavarium, Medicate (awakening) are obviously connected. Disappear is in the point of view of the person going into the coma or whatever it is. Vacant is another person speaking about the "victim", and then in Medicate, the person is waking up again. Perhaps someone else has come up with that already but I haven't seen it so I'm considering it original.

 
DUDE! That's so good man! Way to go!
I had almost hit on that, but only made the flimsy connection between his Ayreon story line and MEDICATE. So I kinda didn't think any more about it.
Can you double check that he wrote the lyrics to Disapear and Vacant ?!
 
Tight shit bro!

ORIGINAL: energy4anger

Can you double check that he wrote the lyrics to Disapear and Vacant ?!

Yes he did.

ORIGINAL: JayArr
Because they're done now with their label, right? Could be it.

 
I hope this is all it is!  I keep having the thought of this being their last album.  Very much hope I am totally wrong!!!!  But the coming full circle thing and the song "Never Enough" keeps this running through my head.  I do believe that the temporary shutdown of the MP.com and DT.com forums where to keep the anticipation for the album alive, but the fact that the DT.net forum has been shut off to new members, with a threat of a complete shutdown, and with all of the negative posts on both sites, maybe they have had enough.  Also, the circle on the front of 6DOIT with 8 sections and 2 of them grayed out leads me to believe that they knew then that there were only 2 more albums.  This could however relate to the record label thing, which that and the fact that Mike has not finished his 12 steps are keeping me optimistic!!  Oh, and the fact that the other 99% of us who aren’t bad eggs would be very disappointed!!!!
 
Without flaming me, someone please convince me I am wrong!

ORIGINAL: tbone93

ORIGINAL: JayArr
Because they're done now with their label, right? Could be it.

I hope this is all it is!  I keep having the thought of this being their last album.  Very much hope I am totally wrong!!!!  But the coming full circle thing and the song "Never Enough" keeps this running through my head.  I do believe that the temporary shutdown of the MP.com and DT.com forums where to keep the anticipation for the album alive, but the fact that the DT.net forum has been shut off to new members, with a threat of a complete shutdown, and with all of the negative posts on both sites, maybe they have had enough.  Also, the circle on the front of 6DOIT with 8 sections and 2 of them grayed out leads me to believe that they knew then that there were only 2 more albums.  This could however relate to the record label thing, which that and the fact that Mike has not finished his 12 steps are keeping me optimistic!!  Oh, and the fact that the other 99% of us who aren’t bad eggs would be very disappointed!!!!
 
Without flaming me, someone please convince me I am wrong!

Convince you?  You're starting to convince ME that Octavarium being their last album is more apparent.  So what is this 6DOIT and the "8 sections and 2 of them grayed out"  thing you are talking about?

ORIGINAL: Rabidmonk5
Convince you?  You're starting to convince ME that Octavarium being their last album is more apparent.  So what is this 6DOIT and the "8 sections and 2 of them grayed out"  thing you are talking about?

 
Sorry!  I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong!!!  There I convinced both of us!!
 
This is on the front cover of 6DOIT.