Nuggets on Octavarium

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This isnt the last album!!
As many people have mentioned, and so has Mike in an interview, TGP, TDP and TROAE are parts of a 12 step thing, and there are still 5 to go.

ORIGINAL: motorhead9999

I guess its my turn to spill my 2 cents...

For the Octavarium image (the star in the octagon pic), its clear to me that its an architectural layout diagram, like something done in AutoCAD for building layouts. It seems that on each of the directional sides (north, south, east, and west faces) of the octagon are what is usually a symbol for doors in these types of diagrams. Only one of the doors is open (the south face), maybe symbolizing the whole notion of starting off the story where it ended. You enter through the only open door (the beginning of the CD)and have to make your way around the Octavarium, and when you get back to where you started, you can choose to leave and move on, or you can repeat the same cycle again, getting trapped in the Octavarium.

Yes, I like this. I was looking at it yesterday. the songs are identified on the map. 1:8, 2:8, etc. It starts on a wall.

I found this interesting, that the walls seemed to line up with songs about "me" and the windows about "you" (are the octavarium walls reflective perhaps?); the door about if it was worth it to carry on. A way out.

I just looked at it quick though. It's sitting at the studio. I'll look at it again tonight.

ORIGINAL: Morte

Disclaimer: This is not a 'the cover sucks because the string is too short' post.

I just noticed something... This might've been obvious, but I think that if the swinging balls were to REPLACE the ball they're swinging towards (to the left or to the right, depending on the front and inside cover, respectively), then the strings would be of perfect length. Whether this was delibrate or a mistake on Hugh Syme's part by making the wrong ball swing is unclear to me. And if it was the latter, I don't really care; the music is what matters anyway.

 
maybe it was pointed out already, but if not, my best guess so far the reason the outside wires are shorter is from the kid holding the can pulling them.
 
Also the very ending..which is different than the leaked version as MP confirmed, the thing I thought of right away was Fates Warning A Pleasant Shade of Gray..that patch is identical after having played APSOG this morning. If the pattern continues, the next album will begin with that patch.
 
Kyle

I found this.
As reported on the back of the album:
Songs 1-4 = 1495 seconds
Songs 5-7 = 1471 seconds
Song 8var = 1440 seconds
 
Now follow this equation:
 
((((1495 + 1471) + 8) / ((1440 * 2) - 1)) ^8)^8 = 8
 
The "-1" represents the CD that I bought.

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ORIGINAL: MorteSpeaking of potential anomalies, in my booklet the lyrics for Part III of Octavarium (the Full Circle part) say:

flying off the handle with careful with
that axe eugene... [etc]

When I think it might have to say

flying off the handle be careful with
that axe eugene... [etc]

Although, I can't really tell if James is singing "be" or "with".

Nono. "Handle with care"... Travelling Willburys I believe.
Also, I should also point out "Dave's Not Here" which is Cheech and Chong

ORIGINAL: lejoker23

ORIGINAL: Morte
That's a good point, but until I heard the XM MP interview, I actually assumed that The Root Of All Evil was the last part, making it a trilogy...

no, MP said on XM that this is NOT a trilogy.
there are 12 steps, and they've already done 7.
5 steps remaining --> 2 songs certainly.

Could it be that MP is writing this '12 step' song as he's goinng through the process? I mean, MP started the AA process in 2000 (while on the Met. tour i guess...) So it could be a possibility.

Also, the people saying that this is DT's last album...i highly doubt it. The whole 'reading into things too much, and overanalyzing' MP was saying in the XM interview is true, and i understand now why the band decided to keep this album so under wraps. Some people just pick things apart too much.

ORIGINAL: Morte
When I think it might have to say

flying off the handle be careful with
that axe eugene... [etc]

Although, I can't really tell if James is singing "be" or "with".

It's "with".  Flying off the handle...handle with care...careful with that axe, Eugene, etc.

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ORIGINAL: dkepner
There are a lot of things on this CD that seem to hint at it being the last. Never Enough: "what would you say, if I walked away, would you appreciate, but then it'd be too late".  Octavarium: "the calls of admirers, who claim they adore, drain all your lifeblood while begging for more". The stop sign and eight ball mentioned above.

Man, some of you people are RIDICULOUS.

Here's what the "Intervals" section means.  (I'm copying these lyrics from some online source because I don't have the time to transcribe the lyrics --- I know they are wrong, but you'll get the idea!)

Starting in the key of F...  (ironicly the last note of TOT)

(FIRST) Our deadly sins feel his mortal wrath / Remove all obstacles from our paths --- summary of The Root Of All Evil, the first track...in the key of F...the root or first of the scale

(SECOND)  Asking questions, search for clues / The answer's been right in front of you  -- summary of The Answer Lies Within, the second track...in the key of G...the second of the scale

(THIRD)  We try to break through, long to connect / We fall on death ears with failed muted breath  -- summary of These Walls, the third track...in the key of A...the third of the scale

(FOURTH)  Loyalty, trust, faith in desire / Carries love through each darkest fire  -- summary of I Walk Beside You, the fourth track...the fourth of the scale

(FIFTH) Tortured insanity, smothering hell / Try to escape but to no avail -- summary of Panic Attack, the fifth track...the fifth of the scale

(SIXTH) They call them admirers, claim they adore / Drain all your life blood but begging for more -- summary of Never Enough, the sixth track...the sixth of the scale

(SEVENTH) Innocent phantoms for merciless crimes / I'll pray to some madness for repulsive designs (wow - who butchered this transcription?  LOL) -- summary of Sacrificed Sons, the seventh track...the seventh of the scale

(OCTAVE)  Step out of step and try controlling my fate / When you finally start living it's become to late -- summary of Octavarium, the eighth track...the octave of the scale

If you listen closely, especially with headphones, you will hear a clip from each corresponding track in the background as James sings the lyrical summaries.  The easiest clip to hear is Never Enough's "What would you say?" but I assure you they are all there...and while James is screaming "TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM", you can even hear JR's lap steel guitar riff.

You think it's coincidence the section is named "Intervals"? 

And the whole connection with 8:5 can be taken many ways.  8th album, 5 band members.  8 white keys, 5 black keys in an octave, etc.

If this post contains any incorrect terminology, I apologize in advance.

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I wonder what the star inscribed inside the octobarn drawing represents.  I have to say it doesn't leave me with any positive feelings as to the meaning of it.  It seems to say that the star is trapped inside the workings of the music, the business, and the lyrics of Never Enough back this up to a point.

You can find all you need in your mind if you take the time. [awesome] nar nar nar nar squeedily squeedily dee[/awesome]

ORIGINAL: Rifugium

I found this.
As reported on the back of the album:
Songs 1-4 = 1495 seconds
Songs 5-7 = 1471 seconds
Song 8var = 1440 seconds

Now follow this equation:

((((1495 + 1471) + 8) / ((1440 * 2) - 1)) ^8)^8 = 8

The "-1" represents the CD that I bought.

Oh dear God

"I'm in a glass case of emotion."

ORIGINAL: Dave52

Also, the final piano strike is the same as the opening piano.

 
Which, if I'm not mistaken, is the final note from TOT.

And when you divide 24 by 8, you get 3... And as been mentioned earlier, the album is in 3 parts (roughly 25 minutes each... Tracks 1-4, tracks 5-7, and track 8).

 
3 is also the number of original members currently in the band...

- W.J.

ORIGINAL: Arkhayne

I wonder what the star inscribed inside the octobarn drawing represents.  I have to say it doesn't leave me with any positive feelings as to the meaning of it.  It seems to say that the star is trapped inside the workings of the music, the business, and the lyrics of Never Enough back this up to a point.

 
Each point of the star could represent a member of DT.

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ORIGINAL: willyjones
3 is also the number of original members currently in the band...

AND THE THIRD IS LOVE - LOVE IS DANCE OF ETERNITYTT

OMG...OCTAVARIUIUM IS METORORPOLIS PRAT 3???!1!?PREGUNTA MARK??!!!1

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Anyone hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" in the title track? 
 
6:32-6:39
 
I don't notice the really subtle stuff, but that piano riff jumped right out.
 
--Kev

Bogie your analysis of the Intervals lyrics was my first impression as well.

ORIGINAL: keys76

He will do it live. I've seen the new stand....awesome!

Jeroen

ORIGINAL: faizoff

ORIGINAL: Idrumbad

Paraphrased directly fromm the mouth of JR tonight:
"I play the 4 plus minute intro on the steel lap guitar and then switch to my continuum."

Very cool. Wonder if he'll do it live as well. That would be so awesome.

So who is going to play the backing keys while Rudess is playing the steel?  Maybe Myung can resurrect his Nightmare Cinema role...

ORIGINAL: blu4ea

1) Did anyone hear the 'footsteps' at the beginning of TROAE?  Reminiscent of SFAM.
2) At 4:38 in TW, the melody reminds me of "Wrapped Around My Finger" by The Police.
3) Doesnt 'Medicate' sound a lot like 'Voices'??

 
I've posted it before in another topic:
 
4) 8V (the song) around 9:45 - reminds me of "Shores of Avalon", Mullmuzzler

ORIGINAL: Kevman

Anyone hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" in the title track? 

6:32-6:39

I don't notice the really subtle stuff, but that piano riff jumped right out.

--Kev
 
mmmm... with some fantacy

You have to think that MP is reading this thread and saying to himself:
 
"Wow, I haven't even thought of HALF of these nuggets!"
 
Translation:  We're coming up with nuggets on 8V that DT didn't even know they put in.  It's like finding pictures of things in cloud formations.  Keep looking hard enough, and you'll find what you're looking for, even if you have to sort of invent it.  It is fascinating to see what this forum has found.  This takes the cake from "Paul Is Dead" clue searching.

First, just gotta say, I'm loving 8V, the album and song.
Now to the point, around 13:50 on Octavarium, the riff reminds me soo much of a riff I've heard somewhere else before, but I can't put my finger on it. Anyone else hear it too?

BTW, sorry if this was brough up before, but there's about 100 threads on the album already, and I didn't really feel like reading them all.

Don't think anyone mentioned the intro / ending is very "Welcome to the Machine (Pink Floyd) as is the space between These Walls and I Walk Beside You (Dark Side of the Moon)

This Is Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled...- Steve Wilson, Lightbulb Sun

I believe it's on the title track, 1 of the 1st movements..the lyrics are quite similar to Rush's Animate

edit:..ok maybe that's slightly a stretch, but it popped into my head: in the 2nd movement, James keeps saying the word "me" as the last word of the phrase and that's how that rang a bell.

Also, again I haven't been religious about this, but I count a total of 8 birds in the artwork. Nothing huge, but another to add if it hasn't been yet.

The key signatures I am struggling with. Is the song being played in that key?..or is there supposed to anything more?..the time sigs obviously are 1-8 from track numbers..but I think that's been posted more than once already.

Kyle

I just read through the entire thread again, and I can't believe no one has mentioned this:

The bell before/during the intro of TALW, tolls 8 times.

ORIGINAL: angra1

I believe it's on the title track, 1 of the 1st movements..the lyrics are quite similar to Rush's Animate

edit:..ok maybe that's slightly a stretch, but it popped into my head: in the 2nd movement, James keeps saying the word "me" as the last word of the phrase and that's how that rang a bell.

Also, again I haven't been religious about this, but I count a total of 8 birds in the artwork. Nothing huge, but another to add if it hasn't been yet.

The key signatures I am struggling with. Is the song being played in that key?..or is there supposed to anything more?..the time sigs obviously are 1-8 from track numbers..but I think that's been posted more than once already.

Kyle

The key signatures thing was pointed by Jmccon and someone else. In one of these threads.

ORIGINAL: Morte

ORIGINAL: Del Fuvio Monk

Though I can see where some of you are coming from thinking that this album seems to the bands final hoora, lets us not forget that they still have to complete the AA saga.

That's a good point, but until I heard the XM MP interview, I actually assumed that The Root Of All Evil was the last part, making it a trilogy... First of all, the epic piano ending. Second, the bells at the end - that's how the saga begins in The Glass Prison.

I hope I'm wrong, of course. The more DT albums, the better (especially if they're as good as this one!).

 
Well he did say on XM that this is parts 5 and 6 of the 12 steps.  He said it will take more albums to complete it and he'd like to play it in it's entireity some day.  However this could be their last per say with Atlantic.

I like how near the end of the title track during "trapped inside this octavarium," if you listen somewhat closely, you can hear snippets of other songs in the record.  It makes me think it is a story album.
 
And I'm tellin' ya.  That 15/8 bassline came at about 16:40 in the title track.  It matches the drums Just like mike said it does

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Something that came to me which I don't think was mentioned before.  What if each of the songs represents one of their albums?  Obviously the last track would represent Octavarium.  What about the rest of the songs?  Never Enough could represent Train of Thought, considering the criticism it got from a lot of the fans.  Any others fit well? 

ORIGINAL: Rifugium

I found this.
As reported on the back of the album:
Songs 1-4 = 1495 seconds
Songs 5-7 = 1471 seconds
Song 8var = 1440 seconds

Now follow this equation:

((((1495 + 1471) + 8) / ((1440 * 2) - 1)) ^8)^8 = 8

The "-1" represents the CD that I bought.

Being the math geek that I am I decided to verify that formula.  It took me a while to come up with your answer until I realized that you're missing a right paren:
((((1495 + 1471) + 8) / ((1440 * 2) - 1))) ^8)^8 = 8


And that really equals 7.986475

ORIGINAL: JPMPFan

At 7:15 of Panic Attack the ending is echoed 8 times.

It is actually echoed 9 times.  The last one is very faint in the left channel.

I HAVE LISTENED TO THIS ALBUM 8 TIMES OMG A NUGGET!#@#!@#@!#@!#
 
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

after reading through all of these posts, that last one made my day... OMG ITS ALMOST 8:00pm!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Octavarium, just before "Sailing on the Seven Sieze the Day...." James says something like "See this is where we came in." Anyone able to hear what's being said?

8!8!8!8!8!8!8!8!8!!!!!!!
For real now. The bells before TALW are ringing on the second note (or how do you call it in english) just like at the beginning of glass prison.

ORIGINAL: ScenesFromGeetarmeister

In Octavarium, just before "Sailing on the Seven Sieze the Day...." James says something like "See this is where we came in." Anyone able to hear what's being said?

"This is where we came in" is what is said.  And this is addressed on the second post of page 2 of this thread.

Thanks Snowdog....I must have skipped a post by mistake, or it's coz it's and about the 7th time i've listened to Octavarium today(better listen to it once more for the whole 8 thing.)  Thankyou for clearing it up. They're geniuses!

While listening to the title track on my car with my brother, at 6'15 he told me "Live and let die" and... why not? the Pink Floyd and Queen references are obvious so maybe this one to Mc Cartney...

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after reading through all of these posts, that last one made my day... OMG ITS ALMOST 8:00pm!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
nice to meet you.
 
this is my 8th post of the day.
 
and how many days was the forum closed?  that's right.

Well, I haven't read all of this thread, but I did most of it. I must say, either some of you people have a lot more time on your hands than me... or just a lot smater . Seen some cool observations though, and some, well, people trying to look for things and making them happen. Anyway, in my spare time at a stop light I was staring at the back cover and noticed that each band member is in ABC order (according to last name) starting with James and going to Jordan on the black keys of the keyboard. Yeah, not hardly as cool as half of this stuff on here, but I do what I can .

Does anyone notice that Portnoy and Rudess are seperated from the rest of the band on the back cover?  I think they also represent the two dominoes that are tombstones with the three other crows or band members flying above.  This reminds me the whole "Paul is Dead" motif that The Beatles started.  Moreover, I think the 5 and 8 have something to do with Kabala Numerology.  It seems to me that Portnoy is referencing some Jewish mysticism with these numbers.  These numbers both stand for seperate dispositions of people.  These are just my guesses.  Anyone else agree?  And I still don't know who that girl is on the back cover.
-BKJ

I love teachers... you do something wrong, they make you do it over again. R.I.P. Rodney

I gurantee there has got to be some backwards masking or hidden tracks on this cd as well.  We better start checking for those too.  lol.
 
-BKJ

I love teachers... you do something wrong, they make you do it over again. R.I.P. Rodney

Was this mentioned? The black billiard ball on the picture under the disc has the majesty logo where the 8 should have been.

Look, I know there's a million and a half numbers to play with and just as many nuggets...
 
But the 5 represents the 5 members of the band...

If you pay close attention, the background for tracks 5 and 8 are different from the rest. Tracks 1,2,3,4,6,7 have all the same "wallpaper" or "Background"

The 3 birds on the domino pic are the 3 original members: JM JP and MP they are looking down on 4 tombs
1. Chriss colins (original dt singer)
2. Charlie Domicci (2nd dt singer)
3. Kevin Moore (1st Keyboardist)
4.Derek Sherinian (2nd keyboardist)

The boy on the first and final page represents us.
Us listening to the album THEN us discussing the album on the message boards.

Anyone know what that language is on track 7?  I'm guessing it is Arabic.  But what if it is Farsi, the language they speak in Iran.  Farsi has 5 letters.  Maybe it is Pakistani.  Pakistan has 8 letters in it.  This is obviously stretched, but i am interested since i am linguist.

I love teachers... you do something wrong, they make you do it over again. R.I.P. Rodney

Anyone notice the fingerprints on some of the pages?

(root of all evil between 3 and 4th stanza)
(above the fish picture)
(octavarium lyric sheet on the left)
(in texure are last boy page)

I will feel really stupid if these are MY fingerprints...but I think they are in the actual pages.

Can someone else confirm?

ORIGINAL: SeasOfSilence

Anyone notice the fingerprints on some of the pages?

(root of all evil between 3 and 4th stanza)
(above the fish picture)
(octavarium lyric sheet on the left)
(in texure are last boy page)

I will feel really stupid if these are MY fingerprints...but I think they are in the actual pages.

Can someone else confirm?

Dude, those are your fingerprints...

ORIGINAL: BKJ2005

Does anyone notice that Portnoy and Rudess are seperated from the rest of the band on the back cover?  I think they also represent the two dominoes that are tombstones with the three other crows or band members flying above.  This reminds me the whole "Paul is Dead" motif that The Beatles started.  Moreover, I think the 5 and 8 have something to do with Kabala Numerology.  It seems to me that Portnoy is referencing some Jewish mysticism with these numbers.  These numbers both stand for seperate dispositions of people.  These are just my guesses.  Anyone else agree?  And I still don't know who that girl is on the back cover.
-BKJ

This entire thread may be the funniest thread ever in this Forum. But I have to chime in to reply to the post quoted above.

You aren't serious BKJ, are you? The band photos represent the black keys on the keyboard. The split between Petrucci and Portnoy is because the black keys are seperated by two white keys (look at the keyboard graphic on the back card of the CD). Portnoy and Rudess are on their own only because alphabetically they come after the rest. LaBrie, Myung, Petrucci, Portnoy, Rudess. Alphabetical.

TKH

WHY THEY GOTTA BE BLACK AND WHITE KEYS???


THERE 8 WHITE KEYS AND 5 BLACKS KEYS, WHYS THE WHITE PEOPLE ALWAYS GOTTA HATE?

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To think, rather than using our collective talents and brain power to improve the world around us, we spend our time concocting far-out theories about a couple little details out of the album and its artwork

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I understand that they represent keys.  But can you explain why there are dominoes that look like tombstones, and only 3 crows?  Thats a little odd woudlnt you say?  The two tombstones must represent the other 2 band members.

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How's this for an idea: you're most likely seeing something that was never intended.  I personally don't think the dominos look like gravestones at all and when I first read the proposition that they were headstones, I thought that was kind of silly.  As for the crows, remember that for aesthetic reasons, things that occur in threes are usually much more pleasing to the eye than two or four...

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ORIGINAL: BKJ2005

I understand that they represent keys.  But can you explain why there are dominoes that look like tombstones, and only 3 crows?  Thats a little odd woudlnt you say?  The two tombstones must represent the other 2 band members.

Can you please tell me what you are smoking, and where I can get some? I think you are reading way too much into the artwork.

TKH

ORIGINAL: xenowang

How's this for an idea: you're most likely seeing something that was never intended.  I personally don't think the dominos look like gravestones at all and when I first read the proposition that they were headstones, I thought that was kind of silly.  As for the crows, remember that for aesthetic reasons, things that occur in threes are usually much more pleasing to the eye than two or four...

I think there are little tidbits that MP deliberately had inserted into the artwork (which he worked on with Hugh Syme); he was all on about the "whole package" before the release for a reason. I suspect that the "whole package" has hidden meaning, profound or not, like a riddle of sorts. So some of these points may be totally random and stupid, but I am sure that there is intention behind the artwork, and some of these points, while being symbols and nuggets in their own right may lead us to something bigger. Who knows what plans the Man has laid out, but there is more than visual appeal to the artwork for sure.

I thought of this at work while looking at the booklet (i know i get a lot done) but then i realized that Majesty, which became Dream Theater first came together in 1985 and this album is released 20 years after the band first came to be. Maybe the 8 and 5 represents that in some way? 

ORIGINAL: Chris_2112
I think there are little tidbits that MP deliberately had inserted into the artwork

 
Like maybe ....an OCTOPUS and a STOP sign?????!!   LOLLOL!

Do i really have to get into an english lesson in what crows represent, or can i just avoid  the cliche' that they symbolize.  Moreover it is quite obvious that the dominoes are coming out of the ground.  Under the influence or not, these are obviously tombstones.  (Hence the crows representing death).  Moreover, why would you downplay the booklets meaning , when it is obviously a huge sugnificance to the album.  There are 3 crows and 2 dominoes.  Why?  Just say why and I will be happy.

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This is page 8!!! OMG! Come on guyz, if there is an ultimate nugget on this album, this is the right moment to post it (actually the ideal would be the 8th post)! 

Better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret

ORIGINAL: snowdog
And that really equals 7.986475

Yes, but if you reverse the number after the decimal to read "574" and "689," then, implementing 5 (DT members), and 7 (the # of digits in "7.986475"), you get:
 
(((689 - 574) / 5) - 8) - 7 = 8
 
Also, my original formula can actually work without the extra ) you added.

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ORIGINAL: zedsdead

Don't think anyone mentioned the intro / ending is very "Welcome to the Machine (Pink Floyd) as is the space between These Walls and I Walk Beside You (Dark Side of the Moon)

 
well I did mention that, and actually it was the first nugget I discovered for myself on the very first listen.
 
ok this topic's been a headache to me ! DUH ! , here's my final thoughts ..
 
it's somehow scary to hear the album repeating itself, u know the final note is the very first note.. secondly the trapped inside thing , I guess that's us , we are really trapped inside this album , the Octavarium is trapped in my head I can't stop listening to it ! I can't hear anything else !
 
I hope this is not a good bye sign

ORIGINAL: Rifugium

ORIGINAL: snowdog
And that really equals 7.986475

Yes, but if you reverse the number after the decimal to read "574" and "689," then, implementing 5 (DT members), and 7 (the # of digits in "7.986475"), you get:

(((689 - 574) / 5) - 8) - 7 = 8
 
Also, my original formula can actually work without the extra ) you added.

FUCKKKK STOP IT GUYS !!! ARRGHHHH

-you know , JPS guitar fret numbers are 24 , 24 / 3 = 8 OCTAVARIUM .. WOW

-24 is also ... 24 hours a day let's divide it by 3 as we divided the album itself so we have 8 !
but we all know that we work 5 days a week , so WOW ! Octavarium and the five members again

I can't think of anymore , ! UH I'm tired

p.s. EDIT : UGHHHHH and guess what , this is the 8th page and 8th post   SOMEBODY GET ME OUTA HEEEEERE !!!

This thread has run it's course. There have been some excellent observations and some probably coincidental ones moreover it's now come to the stage where anything to do with the number 8 is being posted.

I'll probably compile all the good and useful info and make one post.

"I'm in a glass case of emotion."

Hey... something I noticed about the title track yesterday. There's a guitar riff that stars around 13:48, and it sounded so familiar to me, I could've sworn that they would break into something else that I had in mind... but when they didn't, and they didn't for the entire song, I began to wonder why I was hearing this other riff. Then it came to me last night that it seemed to me that it came from the Majesty demos. Sure enough, this morning I check them out and the riff sounds like the riff they play in Vital Star around 3:41-4:00  although in a different key. I was expecting them to play the riff that starts at 4:00 at that point.
 
At least it sounds that way to me

ORIGINAL: faizoff

I'll probably compile all the good and useful info and make one post.

That would be awesome! Maybe a lot of work but that would be the ultimate nugget checklist.

ORIGINAL: Rifugium

Also, my original formula can actually work without the extra ) you added.

If the ")" is not there like in your initial post you are raising the denominator to the 8th power and not the whole fraction.  Thus you will come out with very very small number.

ORIGINAL: BKJ2005

Do i really have to get into an english lesson in what crows represent, or can i just avoid  the cliche' that they symbolize.  Moreover it is quite obvious that the dominoes are coming out of the ground.  Under the influence or not, these are obviously tombstones.  (Hence the crows representing death).  Moreover, why would you downplay the booklets meaning , when it is obviously a huge sugnificance to the album.  There are 3 crows and 2 dominoes.  Why?  Just say why and I will be happy.

The dominoes are not tombstones, they are obviously a depiction of what part of stonehenge originally looked like before centuries of weather wore the details off the rocks. The crows are there because everyone knows that crows like to shit on rocks. Also if you look at the architecture diagram upside down (or the CD itself) you will see the hidden satanic message.

did anyone notice on the front of the cd case, the octave is between B and B, and the back, the octave is between F and F. THE MIGHTY TRITONE
i dont think this has been said, but im too lazy to look through 8 pages of mathematical equations about the number 8.
 
but the tritone is hugely important in the history of music, it basically is a huge foundation for everything. btw, in the old days, (ancient greece) the tritone was considered the devil's interval. hehehhehe

A small point, probably a mistake, but worth mentioning not all the listed track lengths on the back are the actual track lengths.

ORIGINAL: BKJ2005

Do i really have to get into an english lesson in what crows represent, or can i just avoid  the cliche' that they symbolize.  Moreover it is quite obvious that the dominoes are coming out of the ground.  Under the influence or not, these are obviously tombstones.  (Hence the crows representing death).  Moreover, why would you downplay the booklets meaning , when it is obviously a huge sugnificance to the album.  There are 3 crows and 2 dominoes.  Why?  Just say why and I will be happy.

See, the thing is, I am not MP nor am I Hugh Syme, nor a member of DT. I guess those are the only people who could really tell you the significance of the crows and the tombstone-like dominoes. But to make the correlation between the number of crows and the number of dominoes with the members of the band is far-fetched, IMO.

If we find out the true meaning of the "5:8" theme that is all over the artwork, then we may know most of the answers. I see the dominoes page as just another piece of artwork with the 5:8 theme and nothing more.

TKH

couple more I dunno if they've been mentioned but I'll add them to this topic.
 
The rythm part that JP plays after the bridge on Sacrificed Sons is very similar, atleast in feel to a section in Beyond This Life.
 
The MUSE-Panic Attack section re-occurs as a rythm/background part during the proggy responsive vocal section of the title track if you block out the lead melody you'll notice.
 
Kyle 

ORIGINAL: Phil_The_Rodent

A small point, probably a mistake, but worth mentioning not all the listed track lengths on the back are the actual track lengths.

Put the CD in an actual CD player and watch the time read out.......there are hidden "countdown" sections to the tracks in question.  Their purpose within the ‘concept’ of the album is very interesting. Simply put, they represent accidentals.
 
Look on the back of the CD case… each track corresponds to a note on the fingerboard.  Naturally so, there would need to be notes in between certain songs.
 
Hence:
1. TROAE
                   F#
2. TALW
                   G#     
3. TW
                   A#
4. IWBY
 
5. PA
                   C#
6. NE
                   D#
7. SS
 
8. 8v
 
* note that only songs 1 2 3 5 and 6 are labeled the incorrect time.

"sjjvq puv ssv hw Lva!" - Twiddlenutz

Something else I just found out.....the accidentals are actual in pitch.....lol
 
That is why there is a bend in the pitch of the last chord in TALW.
 
I think it would be overstating it, but DAMMIT these guys are fawkin amazing!
 
R.

"sjjvq puv ssv hw Lva!" - Twiddlenutz

ORIGINAL: Zepp3lin

WHY THEY GOTTA BE BLACK AND WHITE KEYS???


THERE 8 WHITE KEYS AND 5 BLACKS KEYS, WHYS THE WHITE PEOPLE ALWAYS GOTTA HATE?

Yeah!
And how you win at 8-ball? The WHITE ball has to sink the BLACK ball!! That's why I luuuuuvvs bowling. And what's up with the olives people? I went to the market and the BLACK olives were in a can, BUT da GREEN olives get to be in a glass jar! Why the hate.

"Music is just a release of all that stuff inside that's trying to kill you. I think just — life is so difficult. The thing I love about music is that you can take painful, deep things that hurt, and turn them into something beautiful." ~ Ray LaMontagne

From my post in the "Octavarium Reviews/Comments" thread:
 
Anyone notice the drum part for the bridge of I Walk Beside You is like, a sped up version of the One Last Time drum part? I usually wouldn't post about it, but the song begins with ticking just like SFAM and maybe they also put in this reference.

ORIGINAL: Gohi

From my post in the "Octavarium Reviews/Comments" thread:

Anyone notice the drum part for the bridge of I Walk Beside You is like, a sped up version of the One Last Time drum part? I usually wouldn't post about it, but the song begins with ticking just like SFAM and maybe they also put in this reference.

I knew it reminded me of another songs but I chalked that up Mike's playing.  Eve has a drum part that is also in Another Day.  It doesn't mean they are the connected somehow.  Neil Peart has a ride cymbal pattern that has appeared in many songs, but I wouldn't think they are all connected.

OMG I FOUND A NUGET:

MY RANKEENS:

1. SFAM
2. TOT
3. A&W
4. AWAK
5. FII
6. SDOIT
7. WDADU
8. OCTAVARIUEMEMS

COINSIDENS? I THINK NOT.






Relax people, it's a joke. 

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There are 5 official live releases.

1993 Live at the Marquee
1995 A Change of Seasons
1998 Once in a Livetime
2001 Live Scenes From New York
2004 Live at Budokan