Nuggets on Octavarium

Ah, got it!
It's his Continuum, but from 2:44 on JR plays the Lap Steel Guitar, right?
 
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and the chorus of Endless Sacrifice in "The Root Of All Evil"? At ..  04:56 ??

anyone else has this --> Octavarium 9:45, it reminds me of "shores of Avalon, (Mullmuzzler)"
 
 

in Octavarium  track at 22:32 the solo tune changes to something like the  02:45 solo in ONE Last Time....

ORIGINAL: henri_ds

during octavarium, near the end, when JLB is like speaking, before every 2 verses you can hear MP say :

(root)
(second)
(third)
(fourth)
(fifth)
(sixth)
(seventh)
(octave) bu this one is VERY faint.

Yes, and each lyrical snippet that follows is a reference to the song whose key corresponds to "root", "second", etc.  AND, you can hear a musical reference in the background as the lyrics are sung.  The easiest one to hear is the "sixth" - "What would you say?"

Put on headphones, crank it and you'll be able to hear them all.

ORIGINAL: Dutch Beard
else has this --> Octavarium 9:45, it reminds me of "shores of Avalon, (Mullmuzzler)"

I'm reminded of Shores as well during this part.

ORIGINAL: T8H3X11

ORIGINAL: Mr.Petrucci

In the intro of 8V the song I first thought that it's JP playing...
But after looking into the booklet I'd say that this would be JR on Lap Steel guitar?!

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No, it's on his new Continuum.

Actually check it out, JR did bought a lap steel guitar.

Did anyone notice that there is something wrong with the right ball on the cover of the album? 

Not sure if this is intentional or not but...  the string is too short.  (the ball is hanging too high)

Maybe I need to explain...
The strings of the balls are mounted at equal distance on a bar. If you put a protractor where the ball is mounted (slightly above the edge of the booklet) and traced the middle of the swinging ball back to the other balls, it would hit the far-right stationary ball above center...

On another forum, someone brought up that on the front cover, the 8 balls represent white keys on the piano, and the birds represent black keys... Check it out.


In the picture for These Walls, the spider has no way out. (lame 'nugget', i know.)

(Hopefully MP or someone else will confirm all the nuggets throughout the cd.)

not sure if this is a nugget but its cool nontheless by the titles there are time signatures and also representing the number of the track out of the possible 8

so SS is 7 out of 8 7/8


and so on

just thought i would mention it





I LOVE THIS ALBUM!!!

anyone else also think there is 1 subtle phrase on the title track that is a nod to Pink Floyd's Echoes which I always think is a nod to the Phantom of the Opera theme?..just that little 4-note piano interval.

I noticed a nugget or 2 of this ilk in the new Shadow Gallery as well..ala Queen "And now I know, ANd I now I know" and an old SG tune or 2 reference.

Kyle

I'd just like to mention, in relation to the whole   Octavarium-containing-snippets-of-each-other-song-with-MP-dictating -in-the-background....  #1 = the ROOT of all evil. 

***NOTICE ME***
 
I'd like to repeat everything that is said in this thread!!!
DID I GET THE NUGGET?????
 
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Read from the beginning of the thread, you are starting to repeat yourself

ive only gotten thru the first 2 songs of the cd so far (altho i had most of it last week ), but did anyone else notice the strange second counts between songs?

I'm trying to fool around with something in all the negative seconds on the album...don't worry, I'm enjoying the music too. 
 
Was it JadeSkyeDesign that had his signature "Music without hidden meaning is odius." ~Chopin. 
 
How apropo. 

ORIGINAL: Mike_mccabe
Artwork 5:8 stuff

5 fish 8 octolegs

Not to be redunant, but the stop sign with the DT logo in the same image is (of course) 8-sided...

"This entire album is one big giant nugget" ~ Mike Portnoy [XM radio interview w/ Eddie Trunk]

8 white keys + 5 black keys = 8va

Also, with the whole "this story ends where it begins", well an octave technically ends on the same note it began with. I dont think that was really mentioned yet.
 
About the thing with the Songs being in the key of the notes they are on in on the back cover, is that true. Cause inside where they have the lyrics they have time signatures that are different, unless they are in a mode of some sort other than major. Oh, wait, actually, I think they are right, but they are minor. Yup Yup. OK, cool.
 
Jim

ORIGINAL: faizoff

Posted on the 8V Initial thoughts spoiler galore thread by the great Scotsman

Neil-o-Mac

A thought on the last section of the title track - I just figured out that the lyrics in the last section have a bit that relates to each song on the album...

"Our deadly sins feel his mortal wrath
Remove all obstacles from our path" - The Root of All Evil

"Asking quesitons
Search for clues
The answer's been right in front of you" - The Answer Lies Within

"Try to break through
Long to connect
Fall on deaf ears and failed muted breath" - These Walls

"Loyalty, trust, faith and desire
Carries love through each darkest fire" - I Walk Beside You

"Tortured insanity
A smothering hell
Try to escape but to no avail" - Panic Attack

"The calls of admirers
Who claim they adore
Drain all your lifeblood while begging for more" - Never Enough

"Innocent victims of mericless crimes
Fall prey to some madmen's impulsive designs" - Sacrificed Sons

and I think that

"Step after step
We try controlling our fate
When we finally start living it has become too late"

Might be a reference to the other parts of 8V.

WOW!

BUGGERRRRRRR!!!!!! I JUST thought of that, JUST THIS VERY SECOND...and thought I was on to something!!!!! aaaaagh.

Here's a couple things I noticed:

at the end of Panic Attack- some nice little references to Pink Floyd's "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In a Cave and Grooving With a Pict" (that's a mouthfull...)

2:36 of The Answer Lies Within- the violin in the background plays the central theme to Octavarium (with a few changes that I assume were made to stay diatonic to the key of song)

Not sure if it was mentioned (probably was) but the piano at the end of TRoAE is palying the 8V theme.
 
jim

ORIGINAL: SDOIT

Not sure if it was mentioned (probably was) but the piano at the end of TRoAE is palying the 8V theme.

jim

First post of the thread

ORIGINAL: gangstayoda

"This entire album is one big giant nugget" ~ Mike Portnoy [XM radio interview w/ Eddie Trunk]

 
I still think that MP NEEDS to wear a Denver Nuggets jersey at shows.

The outro of "These Walls" sounds pretty friggin' similar to the middle section of "Honor Thy Father".

ORIGINAL: Mike_mccabe

8 balls on the front - 5 birds

The balls and birds are also in order of the piano on the back with each ball representing each song and there root notes in order (F to F) and the birds representing sharps.

ORIGINAL: Sokrates

-an octopus (8 tentacles) with 5 fishes ( is it an accident that this very octobarn reminding picture is right to the lyrics of "Never Enough"?)

When I saw the octupus next to the stop sign I took it as a reference to stop with all the octopus photoshopping. Not really relevent now, since it stopped a while ago, but it may have been relevent when that part of the artwork was conceived.

If the octopus represents the 8 songs and the fish represents the 5 band members, then which band member is about to be eaten? And why are the other 4 letting it happen?

Which is cool when you look at the last lyric line which says:
"This story ends where it began"

"sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready
jack the ripper owens wilson philips an my supper's ready
lucy in the sky with diamons dave's not here I come to save the
day for nightmare cinema show me the way to get back home
again"

I found these references so far:

Sailing on the seven seize - "seize" is exactly spoken as "seas" which would be the real meaning
Seize the day
Day Tripper - Beatles
Jack the Ripper - Morrissey
Supper's ready - Genesis
Lucy in the sky with diamonds - Beatles
Nightmare Cinema -
Cinema Show - Genesis
Get back - Beatles
Diamond Dave - David Lee Roth
Owen Wilson - an actor 
Wilson Philips - a band 
Day for night - Spock's Beard
Ripper Owens - Vocalist of Iced Earth (ex-Judas Priest)
 
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Don't forget "here I come to save the day" - Mighty Mouse (avatar bias)

Sorry if it's been said already, but the last note of Train of Thought (In the Name of God) is the first note of this album...continuing the trend since SFAM.

someone needs to string together all the outro/intro music... i wonder what it would sound like if they were placed on top of eachother, so to speak.

ORIGINAL: drdnj

Which is cool when you look at the last lyric line which says:
"This story ends where it began"

"sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready
jack the ripper owens wilson philips an my supper's ready
lucy in the sky with diamons dave's not here I come to save the
day for nightmare cinema show me the way to get back home
again"

I found these references so far:

Sailing on the seven seize - "seize" is exactly spoken as "seas" which would be the real meaning
Seize the day
Day Tripper - Beatles
Jack the Ripper - Morrissey
Supper's ready - Genesis
Lucy in the sky with diamonds - Beatles
Nightmare Cinema -
Cinema Show - Genesis
Get back - Beatles
Diamond Dave - David Lee Roth
Owen Wilson - an actor 
Wilson Philips - a band 
Day for night - Spock's Beard
Ripper Owens - Vocalist of Iced Earth (ex-Judas Priest)
 
CHEERZ!
 

Don't forget "here I come to save the day" - Mighty Mouse (avatar bias)

 
And also the "Gabba gabba hey hey" reference to the Ramones!!!

Dunno if this has been said but I noticed that at around 4:40 into The Root Of All Evil, that passage is very similar, if not the same as a part in The Glass Prison, it is then followed by the This Dying Soul bit which was mentioned earlier.

Anyone noticed that the instrumental section in "Sacrificed Sons" from 4:41  up to the guitar solo is totally influenced by Rush´s "Natural Science"?

This is all but a couple of the musical references:

Sailing on the seven seas - OMD
Seize the day - duh
Day Tripper - Beatles
Diem's Ready -??
Jack the Ripper - Morrissey
Ripper Owens - Vocalist of Iced Earth (ex-Judas Priest)
Owen Wilson - actor
Wilson Phillips - band
Supper's Ready - Genesis
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds - Beatles
Diamond Dave - David Lee Roth 
Dave's Not Here - Cheech & Chong
Here I Come to Save the Day - Mighty Mouse
Day for Night - Spock's Beard
Nightmare Cinema - duh
Cinema Show - Genesis
Get back - Beatles (a stretch, I think)

Flying off the Handle -Google lists Flying off the Handle as a Christian/Jewish mag
Handle With Care - Travelling Wilburys
Careful With That Axe Eugene - Pink Floyd
Gene the Dance Machine -The Gong Show
Machine Messiah - Yes
Light my Fire - The Doors
Gabba Gabba Hey Hey - The Ramones
Hey Hey My My - Neil Young
My Generation - The Who
Home Again - take your pick

ORIGINAL: Sokrates

Anyone noticed that the instrumental section in "Sacrificed Sons" from 4:41  up to the guitar solo is totally influenced by Rush´s "Natural Science"?

Yea also sounds like some part of ACOS I cant remember where. Definitely Natural Science/The Great Debate though.

ORIGINAL: Andreameda

ORIGINAL: drdnj

Which is cool when you look at the last lyric line which says:
"This story ends where it began"

"sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready
jack the ripper owens wilson philips an my supper's ready
lucy in the sky with diamons dave's not here I come to save the
day for nightmare cinema show me the way to get back home
again"

I found these references so far:

Sailing on the seven seize - "seize" is exactly spoken as "seas" which would be the real meaning
Seize the day
Day Tripper - Beatles
Jack the Ripper - Morrissey
Supper's ready - Genesis
Lucy in the sky with diamonds - Beatles
Nightmare Cinema -
Cinema Show - Genesis
Get back - Beatles
Diamond Dave - David Lee Roth
Owen Wilson - an actor 
Wilson Philips - a band 
Day for night - Spock's Beard
Ripper Owens - Vocalist of Iced Earth (ex-Judas Priest)
 
CHEERZ!
 

Don't forget "here I come to save the day" - Mighty Mouse (avatar bias)

And also the "Gabba gabba hey hey" reference to the Ramones!!!

Also...

Dave's not here - Cheech & Chong
seven seize - seven seas of rye - Queen

other verse:

flying off the handle with careful with
that axe eugene geen the dance machine
messiah light my fire gabba gabba
hey hey my my generation's home again

flying off the handle - well known phrase - song reference?
handle with care - George Harrison
careful with that axe eugene - Pink Floyd
gene gene the dance machine - character in the film Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
machine messiah - Yes
light my fire - The Doors
gabba gabba hey - Ramones (mentioned above)
hey hey my my - Neil Young
my generation - The Who
home again - Bob Villa show?

Edit: Damn, illusioninc mentioned most of mine while I was typing it up.

not really a nugget as it's pretty obvious, but this is the 1st and only 2nd ever album with no instrumentals songs on it. What may be a Nugget, and this is fanboy-ism to the nth degree in a way, is the fact that is, is there some connection to IandW for that reason or is there some intentional reason there was no instrumental. But that could be overanalyzing
 
Kyle

ORIGINAL: faizoff

ORIGINAL: Sokrates

Anyone noticed that the instrumental section in "Sacrificed Sons" from 4:41  up to the guitar solo is totally influenced by Rush´s "Natural Science"?

Yea also sounds like some part of ACOS I cant remember where. Definitely Natural Science/The Great Debate though.

That's odd, because I get more of a Peruvian Skies/Fatal Tragedy vibe from it.  DEFINITELY F.T. when they bounce between E5 and Eb5.