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    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:02 AM (permalink)
    It's also something that has been in the news recently:

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=818244

    This, of course, happened after DT finished the album, so it's not releated to this particular situation.  Here's a few examples of various awakenings over the years:

    AWAKENINGS
    Other people who have suddenly "awakened" after comas or long periods of semiconsciousness.
    Tracy Gaskill, 30 - She suffered internal and head injuries when her pickup truck rolled over on a Winfield, Ark., highway in September 2002. She has been at a long-term nursing facility since the accident. In April, she began speaking and swallowing. Her improvement began gradually about a year and a half ago, and she continues to make progress.


    Donald Herbert, 43 - The Buffalo, N.Y., firefighter emerged from a near-comatose state last month. He was injured during a 1995 fire when a roof collapsed and ripped away his oxygen mask. On April 30, he talked with his family for 14 hours, then fell into a 30-hour sleep. He has communicated since then and has had moments of clarity, but not at the level he had on April 30. His road to recovery will be long: He is blind, needs a wheelchair and has no short-term memory. Herbert will undergo extensive physical and speech therapy in hopes of more improvement.


    Sarah Scatlin, 38 - Hit by a drunken driver as she walked to her car in 1984, she had been in a coma for 20 years when she began talking and regaining her memory in February. For years, she could only blink her eyes - once for "no," twice for "yes." She is at the University of Kansas Medical Center, where she continues to improve.


    Kelly Anne Barker, 35 - Barker, of Pontiac, Mich., was admitted as a "Jane Doe" after she was hit by a pickup and suffered extensive brain injuries in September 2003. She was identified nine days later and was moved to a nursing facility by her family after being diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state. But by that Thanksgiving, she was sitting up and speaking with family. She is receiving therapy.


    Terry Wallis, 39 - The Mountain View, Ark., man was in a truck crash in 1984 that left him paralyzed and in a vegetative state for 19 years. On June 11, 2003, after two years of treatment with an anti-depressant drug, he spoke. He continues to receive speech and physical therapy at Baptist Medical Center in Little Rock.


    Gary Dockery, 43 - Dockery, a Tennessee policeman who was shot in the head in 1988, spent seven years grunting and nodding to questions, then started speaking normally in 1996 after a course of intravenous Valium. He cracked jokes and chatted with his family for 18 hours before slipping back into silence. He died the next year of a blood clot on his lung.

     
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      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:08 AM (permalink)

      ORIGINAL: PullMeUnder

      By the way, I just wondering: What is the AA saga? Have never heard of it before...

       
      Here ya go PullMeUnder.
       
      It started on the Six Degrees Album with The Glass Prison. If you have the CD you will see that the song is dedicated to Bill W. Then on ToT This Dying Soul was the 2nd song that was also dedicated to Bill W. and now on Octavarium we have he Root Of All Evil.
       
      The following is direct from the FAQ about the meaning of The Glass Prison. The FAQ can be very informative. Use it!
       
      MP: It's about battling addiction and recovery and those were some things that I have dealt with in my personal life over the past few years. All three of the movements are written directly about the first three steps in twelve step recovery of Alcoholics Anonymous. So the first step in the first section of the song is admitting being powerless, the second step is needing the help of others, came to believe a power greater than ourselves to restore sanity. The third section is being willing to turn your life over to a higher power and handing over your will. So the three sections are directly out of the first three steps in AA.
       
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        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:11 AM (permalink)
        If you put the CD in the CD-player and hit the button with the green arrow (that points to the right) music starts playing  amazing

        try doing that with the CD.
         
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          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:18 AM (permalink)
          Thanks a lot STRAT!
          29/9, I can't wait!
          (DT in Stockholm)!
           
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            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:48 AM (permalink)
            HOLY FREAKIN CRAP.  it's called OCTAvarium and it has 8 songs on it!!!!!11!!1one11!!
             
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              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:55 PM (permalink)

              ORIGINAL: liquiddreamx

              octavarium's awakening part tells th story of the film awakenings that's pretty obvious (30 years, higher dose parts) check this out:
              http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099077/

               
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                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:25 PM (permalink)

                ORIGINAL: DrumBoySkim

                I haven't really found much more with the R's and L on the pages, but i get the feeling that it's hinting at something big, maybe the big nugz mike was talking about.  Cause think about it, the nug on ToT was aural, wouldn't you think to throw everyone off and do something different this one would be visual...

                Note to people with blacklight, check the book and the disc out under them, i dont' have one, but that could be something...

                 
                Turn the booklet so the string from the tin can is pointing north.  Look at the R's.  Stare for long time.  You will see a dual represented picture of what appears to be a Giraffe and a face (looks like Portnoy) with a animal like torso just touching the right tip of the R.  The face is also the Giraffe's nose. This picture is repeated on almost every page where there is an R.  The dual hidden picture is northeast of the R's.  I dont know what a Giraffe is suppose to represent though.  I know this sounds absurd, but seriously look at this.  You have to look for a long time.  It's one of those hidden pictures that they show to you in psychology class to teach about the theories of perception.
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                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:59 PM (permalink)
                  This is going way beyond the intention methinks. It's also only getting more repetative. It would do the thread a lot of good if people would read the previous posts before posting because it's safe to assume that whatever idea you have it's MOST LIKELY been posted already.
                   
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                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:11 PM (permalink)

                    ORIGINAL: mesavox

                    This is going way beyond the intention methinks. It's also only getting more repetative. It would do the thread a lot of good if people would read the previous posts before posting because it's safe to assume that whatever idea you have it's MOST LIKELY been posted already.

                     
                    This thread has been intense for quite some time now.
                     
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                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:48 PM (permalink)
                      Nothing against the people with the "R" and "L" theory, but I really hope it is wrong. Only because I think it would be fuckin hilarious if all that was just in your head, and The Man saw this thread and just laughed.

                      That said, what exactly are you talking about with the "R" and "L" thing? Are you holding the book under a blacklight or something so the letters stand out, or is there just a particular letter you are looking at? When I try to look at it I can't only pick out the "R"'s and "L"'s to focus on.
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                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:03 PM (permalink)

                        ORIGINAL: elwoodblues43

                        Nothing against the people with the "R" and "L" theory, but I really hope it is wrong. Only because I think it would be fuckin hilarious if all that was just in your head, and The Man saw this thread and just laughed.

                        That said, what exactly are you talking about with the "R" and "L" thing? Are you holding the book under a blacklight or something so the letters stand out, or is there just a particular letter you are looking at? When I try to look at it I can't only pick out the "R"'s and "L"'s to focus on.

                         
                        Bro, it is plain view.  There are capital R's, almost on every page.  Turn the booklet vertically, and look by Full circle.  There are 2 capital R's in plain view. They are shaded gray.
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                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:06 PM (permalink)
                          I know the title says "Nuggets on Octavarium"......but is that the same as "Dropping a Nugget While Ocatavarium is on?"  Im going ot do that right now.....you just sit here and think about that......see you in 10 minutes.
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                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:18 PM (permalink)
                            Curious, but isnt the note starting/ending the album the same as the opening note
                            in Derek's solo on Once in a LIVEtime?
                            Thoughts?

                            matt
                             
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                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:31 PM (permalink)
                              Ok, I know i am going to take criticism for this.  But i believe i just found a huge nugget.  If you look at the R's, you will see the dual picture that I have described earlier in other posts.  Although, i have been mistaken.  The creature is not a giraffe.  It is a goat.  The goats nose is also the head of the second piece of the picture, a satyr or faun.  This is a half goat half man creature.  You can see these two pictures in one if you stare for a while.  (Again, concentrate on the Northeast corner of the R's to see the picture)  Satyrs are said to be lustful (look at 3rd stanza for the root of all evil).  Satyrs are also prone to drinking.  (portnoys past alcoholism, again alluding to the root of all evil).  Oh, and did i mention that Portnoy's Chinese animal is a goat, since he was born on April 20, 1967?  I believe I have solved a huge piece of the puzzle.  Check these websites if you don't believe me.
                               
                              http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/satyr.htm
                              http://chinese.astrology.com/goat.html
                               
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                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:03 PM (permalink)

                                ORIGINAL: BKJ2005

                                Ok, I know i am going to take criticism for this.  But i believe i just found a huge nugget.  If you look at the R's, you will see the dual picture that I have described earlier in other posts.  Although, i have been mistaken.  The creature is not a giraffe.  It is a goat.  The goats nose is also the head of the second piece of the picture, a satyr or faun.  This is a half goat half man creature.  You can see these two pictures in one if you stare for a while.  (Again, concentrate on the Northeast corner of the R's to see the picture)  Satyrs are said to be lustful (look at 3rd stanza for the root of all evil).  Satyrs are also prone to drinking.  (portnoys past alcoholism, again alluding to the root of all evil).  Oh, and did i mention that Portnoy's Chinese animal is a goat, since he was born on April 20, 1967?  I believe I have solved a huge piece of the puzzle.  Check these websites if you don't believe me.

                                http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/satyr.htm
                                http://chinese.astrology.com/goat.html

                                -BKJ


                                 
                                 
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                                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:08 PM (permalink)
                                  In Octavarium - The Song - all tracks are featured, after their 'track' number.
                                  Though "The root of all evil" starts with "root" not "one"
                                   
                                  Does the title of TRoaE have a double meaning, as it is the root of the entire album.
                                  Which makes me wonder...... why would the content of the album in that case be mentioned as "all evil"
                                  Is this 'root' thing just an accident? And is the 'root' of TRoaE a different 'root' not the same 'root'
                                  Octavarium points at, or is there a meaning behind that?
                                   
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                                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:11 PM (permalink)
                                    the w00t of all evil?
                                     
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                                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:16 PM (permalink)

                                      ORIGINAL: BKJ2005

                                      Ok, I know i am going to take criticism for this.  But i believe i just found a huge nugget.  If you look at the R's, you will see the dual picture that I have described earlier in other posts.  Although, i have been mistaken.  The creature is not a giraffe.  It is a goat.  The goats nose is also the head of the second piece of the picture, a satyr or faun.  This is a half goat half man creature.  You can see these two pictures in one if you stare for a while.  (Again, concentrate on the Northeast corner of the R's to see the picture)  Satyrs are said to be lustful (look at 3rd stanza for the root of all evil).  Satyrs are also prone to drinking.  (portnoys past alcoholism, again alluding to the root of all evil).  Oh, and did i mention that Portnoy's Chinese animal is a goat, since he was born on April 20, 1967?  I believe I have solved a huge piece of the puzzle.  Check these websites if you don't believe me.

                                      http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/satyr.htm
                                      http://chinese.astrology.com/goat.html

                                      -BKJ



                                      Sorry dude, but I really can´t see any animals, Satyrs, Portnoys, etc. Have you noticed, that all the backgrounds on which the lyrics are printed are of the same scheme?

                                       
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                                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:28 PM (permalink)
                                        You have to look longer.  The goat head and fawn blend into each other together like these pictures http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=gestalt+pictures&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt
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                                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:37 PM (permalink)

                                          ORIGINAL: Sokrates


                                          ORIGINAL: BKJ2005

                                          Ok, I know i am going to take criticism for this.  But i believe i just found a huge nugget.  If you look at the R's, you will see the dual picture that I have described earlier in other posts.  Although, i have been mistaken.  The creature is not a giraffe.  It is a goat.  The goats nose is also the head of the second piece of the picture, a satyr or faun.  This is a half goat half man creature.  You can see these two pictures in one if you stare for a while.  (Again, concentrate on the Northeast corner of the R's to see the picture)  Satyrs are said to be lustful (look at 3rd stanza for the root of all evil).  Satyrs are also prone to drinking.  (portnoys past alcoholism, again alluding to the root of all evil).  Oh, and did i mention that Portnoy's Chinese animal is a goat, since he was born on April 20, 1967?  I believe I have solved a huge piece of the puzzle.  Check these websites if you don't believe me.

                                          http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/satyr.htm
                                          http://chinese.astrology.com/goat.html

                                          -BKJ



                                          Sorry dude, but I really can´t see any animals, Satyrs, Portnoys, etc. Have you noticed, that all the backgrounds on which the lyrics are printed are of the same scheme?

                                           
                                          Es ist Gestalt, Ich glaube. :) 
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                                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:23 PM (permalink)
                                            (First post for me on the MP forums! \m/)

                                            This nuggets thread is intense. There's so much hidden stuff to discover! I feel so geeky.

                                            So, look at the back cover and turn in 90 degrees to the left. Look at the tops of the black keys... what do you guys see here? To me, it looks like snapshots of an explosion...
                                            'loyalty, trust, faith and desire
                                            carries love through each darkest fire'
                                            - Octavarium by Dream Theater
                                             
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                                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:33 PM (permalink)
                                              i know this is a little off topic, but did anyone else hear jingle bells (jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way) swung in one of the transitions in the instrumental part of octavarium?
                                               
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                                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:35 PM (permalink)
                                                this may be a little off topic but:
                                                in octavarium (the song) does any one else hear jingle bells in the instumental part of the song? right before the acoustic guitar in the between 17:00 and 18:00...
                                                 
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                                                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:37 PM (permalink)
                                                  sorry, im not used to this forum (or any for that matter), i cancelled the first post just after i hit ok.  looks like it posted anyways
                                                   
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                                                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:26 PM (permalink)
                                                    OMG!!! IT'S A DOUBLE DOM!!  

                                                    S'okay dude.  Just messin' with ya.
                                                     
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                                                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:35 PM (permalink)

                                                      ORIGINAL: ZDrums24

                                                      i know this is a little off topic, but did anyone else hear jingle bells (jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way) swung in one of the transitions in the instrumental part of octavarium?


                                                      Read the thread... we've noticed it several times by now. ;)
                                                       
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                                                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:55 PM (permalink)


                                                        ORIGINAL: SilenceNOmorE

                                                        During Full Circle, it has been established that MP or someone else is saying "root, second, third, etc" to correspond with each stanza of lyrics. Also, during each stanza, after hearing the number spoken, I can hear very faintly in the background other singing, which sounds alot like James. I think it alternates between two different melodies. Does anybody else have any clue what it is?




                                                        What you hear in the back are clips from each song after their number has been called. Its a pretty awsome idea. Mostly they just used clips from the choruses of all the songs. Listen closely, you will hear.


                                                        ..::Peace. Love. Harmony. Minor 3rds::..
                                                         
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                                                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:24 PM (permalink)

                                                          Maybe someone can explain this R thing to me ´cause I can´t see anything special there.


                                                          I can't see the R's either, but I can see a half circle on all of the left pages of the CD booklet (the pages with lyrics, only).  For lack of a better way to describe them, I'll call them D's.  So, it's like the right half of a circle.  If you look in the middle of the D it looks (to me) like it says "I Do."

                                                          ...and this is my first time doing anything like this on the Forum, so here goes.

                                                          OMG WTF?!?!?!  M4Y-B MIKE P0R7|\|oY is 4CCP3TN1NG GhaAAL's HAND ||\| MARR14G3?!?!?!  LOLLERSTDKATES!!!!?!?!?!?
                                                           
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                                                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:04 PM (permalink)
                                                            And , anyone noticed that ...
                                                            The position of the balls is this way > /||||||\
                                                            When the 2 balls that are hanging out beat the others ... they will collide , and then the "force" will return , making the balls turn this position again /||||||\
                                                            And ... lets name these balls... WDADU (hanging) I&W , AWAKE , FII , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT , 8V (hanging)
                                                            Now imagine... the balls will colide and then , the force that was made by the cointact of 8V with TOT , would get to SFAm and then return , because the force of WDADU choking with I&W would get to FII , and then ... when FII and SFAM colide , the force would turn over...
                                                            So ... the force of Octavarium turns to SFAm and comes again to Octavarium... and look , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V are all linked by the end of the musics...
                                                            Thats a Overanalized Nugget for you all.... but for me , the full circle turns into SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V
                                                             
                                                             
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                                                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:11 PM (permalink)


                                                              ORIGINAL: xALEXx

                                                              And , anyone noticed that ...
                                                              The position of the balls is this way > /||||||\
                                                              When the 2 balls that are hanging out beat the others ... they will collide , and then the "force" will return , making the balls turn this position again /||||||\
                                                              And ... lets name these balls... WDADU (hanging) I&W , AWAKE , FII , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT , 8V (hanging)
                                                              Now imagine... the balls will colide and then , the force that was made by the cointact of 8V with TOT , would get to SFAm and then return , because the force of WDADU choking with I&W would get to FII , and then ... when FII and SFAM colide , the force would turn over...
                                                              So ... the force of Octavarium turns to SFAm and comes again to Octavarium... and look , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V are all linked by the end of the musics...
                                                              Thats a Overanalized Nugget for you all.... but for me , the full circle turns into SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V




                                                              My brain hurts.

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                                                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:14 PM (permalink)

                                                                ORIGINAL: Murasamee


                                                                ORIGINAL: xALEXx

                                                                And , anyone noticed that ...
                                                                The position of the balls is this way > /||||||\
                                                                When the 2 balls that are hanging out beat the others ... they will collide , and then the "force" will return , making the balls turn this position again /||||||\
                                                                And ... lets name these balls... WDADU (hanging) I&W , AWAKE , FII , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT , 8V (hanging)
                                                                Now imagine... the balls will colide and then , the force that was made by the cointact of 8V with TOT , would get to SFAm and then return , because the force of WDADU choking with I&W would get to FII , and then ... when FII and SFAM colide , the force would turn over...
                                                                So ... the force of Octavarium turns to SFAm and comes again to Octavarium... and look , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V are all linked by the end of the musics...
                                                                Thats a Overanalized Nugget for you all.... but for me , the full circle turns into SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V




                                                                My brain hurts.



                                                                So do mine
                                                                LOL
                                                                 
                                                                I think this one even Mike didn´t had thinked of...
                                                                 
                                                                But even though , this make sense , at least for me
                                                                 
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                                                                  RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:26 PM (permalink)
                                                                  Wow, i keep seeing goats and Satyrs and what appears to be a man with a beard and long hair on everyone lyrics page.  They are the same schemes, and they repeat on every lyrics page.
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                                                                    RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:46 PM (permalink)
                                                                    AND WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE...
                                                                    You see the V on the majety symbol... thats the 5 in roman numbers
                                                                    you also see 3 I I I, theyre 3 in roman symbols , plu the v , it is VIII , thats the 8...
                                                                     
                                                                    Now , were the traces come together in the midle I to make the V , you see 2 traces crossing the 2 lines of the V ... why are theu there?
                                                                     
                                                                    Because the drawing becomes a 8 turned 90 degrees , making the infinity symbol ... and what the 5 album with new musics on it?
                                                                    falling into Infinity ... really surprising
                                                                    If you dont undesrtand or see the infinity symbol in the majesty logo , ask me , then i will try to be more clear
                                                                     
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                                                                      RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:35 AM (permalink)

                                                                      And , anyone noticed that ...
                                                                      The position of the balls is this way > /||||||\
                                                                      When the 2 balls that are hanging out beat the others ... they will collide , and then the "force" will return , making the balls turn this position again /||||||\
                                                                      And ... lets name these balls... WDADU (hanging) I&W , AWAKE , FII , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT , 8V (hanging)
                                                                      Now imagine... the balls will colide and then , the force that was made by the cointact of 8V with TOT , would get to SFAm and then return , because the force of WDADU choking with I&W would get to FII , and then ... when FII and SFAM colide , the force would turn over...
                                                                      So ... the force of Octavarium turns to SFAm and comes again to Octavarium... and look , SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V are all linked by the end of the musics...
                                                                      Thats a Overanalized Nugget for you all.... but for me , the full circle turns into SFAM , 6DOIT , TOT and 8V


                                                                      Actually, it is the momentum and energy that is transfered through the balls, not the force.  The force is a result of the transfer.  Furthermore, the momentum and energy of the right ball would travel down the other six balls and make the left ball jump back up while at the same time, the momentum and energy of the left ball would travel down the other six and make the right one jump back up.  So, they wouldn't "bounce" back; they go through each other.  So, I don't think your theory would work, but it sounds good.

                                                                      Just some more information if anyone is interested:
                                                                      The hanging balls, or Newton's apparatus, are an excellent example of a solid physics concept: Both momentum and energy must be conserved at the same time.  This means that there is only one way for the balls to bounce given any initial starting point. 

                                                                      For example, every one knows if the right ball is pulled back and let go, the left most ball will bounce up and fall back and so on.  The point is, the left ball will bounce off with almost the same speed that the right one had when it hit the first ball.  This means the left ball will bounce to roughly the same height.  (Friction causes a loss of energy, which makes the height smaller each time).  So what you ask?

                                                                      If you pull two balls to the right and let them go, would two balls bounce off from the left with the same speed as the right ones, or would one ball bounce off with twice the speed and go twice as high?  You would never see one ball bounce off with twice the speed because although momentum would be conserved, energy would not!  The only way both are conserved, which means kept the same, is for two balls to bounce off. (Assume the apparatus has five balls)

                                                                      Before collision: |||\\ after collision: //|||

                                                                      This makes for some cool collisions that most people are not aware of.  If you get the chance, try pulling back three balls.  (Assuming you have an apparatus with five balls altogether).  That leaves two hanging still.  When the three fall and strike the two, the middle ball will join the two hanging ones and bounce off to the left!

                                                                      Before: ||\\\ after: ///||

                                                                      Try pulling two to the left and three to the right at the same time! 

                                                                      Before: //\\\  after: ///\\

                                                                      It turns out that you will end up with the same picture only backwards for every collision, which is the only way both momentum and energy is conserved.  Of course, the only way the two pictures are the same is when both end balls are pulled back! (Or the two end balls are pulled back)

                                                                      before: /|||\  after: /|||\      or    before: //|\\  after: //|\\
                                                                       
                                                                      Maybe that is a clue? 

                                                                      <message edited by absolutezero on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:36 AM>
                                                                       
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                                                                        RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:45 AM (permalink)
                                                                        Here's a new little detail I noticed: Listen to the drums on I Walk Beside You - the second half of the second verse. The rhythm Mike is playing on his hi-hat is I think exactly the same as the drum/bass breakdown section of New Millenium where he plays the rim of his tom.

                                                                        Yes No?
                                                                         
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                                                                          RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:48 AM (permalink)
                                                                          I (finally!) just got my CD in tattered conditions. Wow, what artwork! I think most of its covered already, but there's one thing I didn't find.

                                                                          Of course the birds on the extended cover and the back cover are octaves.

                                                                          HOWEVER, you have to flip them, because as it is, it would give a reverse octave. So, you've to make it go semi-circle horizontally before you achieve an octave. For the back, that is of course after you rotated it 90 degrees. At the top of the keys, you'll see some stuff.

                                                                          NUGGET: For the 3 last black keys, bring them close together, over the white keys, you definately get some pattern on the top. Its very interesting.

                                                                          For the first 2 keys, one of them seem to be someone's face. You can see one eye. Stare at it from some time, you'll get it... The other one's obscure... No clue...

                                                                          One more thing, there's an extra key from the previous octave in both occasions. Depends on which way you see it...
                                                                           
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                                                                            RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:46 AM (permalink)
                                                                            I bought Oc-ta-varium
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                                                                              RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:04 AM (permalink)

                                                                              ORIGINAL: DrumBoySkim

                                                                              Sorry, i wasn't quick enough to edit my last post, but on the pages before the one i mentioned the R's and L's on, you can see maybe one R, but the last page seems to have the most on it... also, the top left of the These Walls page seems to have the most detail in some other letters/numbers i'm seeing... a 5, maybe an S, a 10 on it's side.... lots of oooooo's in a row, a BF somewhere... can anyone else confirm this?


                                                                              They look like sketched numbers ("59º967º3"?) if you turn the page 90º to the right. The "10" becomes a series of numbers as well...but they're hard to read under the lyrics.
                                                                               
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                                                                                RE: Nuggets on Octavarium Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:15 AM (permalink)
                                                                                Here's a nugget.....go outside, stop looking into everything.
                                                                                 
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