Hey, I don't know if this has been pointed out before, hell I can't even really say if this is a nugget. Anyways, I think we all agree that I walk beside you has some U2 resemblences. Dream Theater recorded Octavarium in Hit Studios New York, the same place where u2 has recorded!

Yeah, i know, I suck....

"If you're not confused, you don't understand..."

Don't know if it is said before in this thread (ive not read the whole)
but:
 
- inside the booklet the word "octavarium" appears 8 times
- on the gray pages (with the lyrics) ,hard to see, but if there are 8 faces sketched up. (rotate the booklet)
 
and why does James not sing what's in the booklet? The lyrics from TROAE are different (the for-last sentence) then what james sings.
in the text: "and the drive that keep burning deep inside"
"cast it all away"
 
James sings:
"The desires that keep burning deep inside"
"Cast them all away"
Like the text in part VI
 
So many recordingtime and overdubs, and still singing the wrong lines?
 
greetz..

I'll clarify my James Labrie coma saga idea with some specific lyrics, since is was well received.
Also, read at the bottom for a new idea.

Disappear:

"As you lay there and watched me
Accepting the end
I knew you were scared
You were strong I was trying
I gave you my hand
I said it's okay letting go time to leave here
And I'll carry on
The best that I can without you here beside me
Let him come take you home"

Sounds to me like the person slipping into the coma is talking to a friend or family member, and telling them it's ok to go home and continue to live there life, he's trying as hard as he can to stay conscious.

Vacant: Picks up right where Disappear left off. Particularly:

"Hey you, Hey you
I'm right here
Conscience fading
Can't get through

She's losing control
What can I do
Her vacant eyes
Black holes
Am I losing you"

Seems the person has officially slipped into it.

Medicate (Awakening)

Quite obvious in it's subject matter, the person is waking up 30 years later.
Some lyrics connect it to Vacant specifically:

"Eyes open
But not getting through to me"
and
"Her vacant eyes
Black holes"

The person had their eyes open the whole time, apparently.

At the end of Medicate, although it seems it would have been a good time to have a happy ending of sorts, it sounds more like the person slipped away again.

"I feel the relapse
Can't break free
Eyes open
But not getting through to me"

That's all for now on that.

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Also, one little hunch I had..just an idea.

Perhaps Someone Like Him, written by John Petrucci, is once again about John's father, like Another Day and Take Away My Pain.

Another Day - He's ill, possibly dying.
Take Away My Pain - Has died, the grief.
Someone Like Him - How his life is affecting John now.

I'm not sure, once again that was just an idea.

Some of the speculation is getting a bit over-the-top, don't you think?

With all the speculation that Octavarium would be an retrospective on DT's career, just before release; when I first heard the song, I thought the "I" in "Someone like him" might be the band, Dream Theater itself. But of course thats out of the window, cus I can't relate Medicate.

The balls on the cover - is obviously an octave, but with an overlap. I was thinking that maybe if the pattern was |||||||\, it would have signified a full circle, but an arrangement like /||||||\ is weird. Maybe one of them is "looking out"? Or, it can be a circular thing, although its not really 3d.

I don't know, I might be talking nonsense...

I just noticed something..I was watching a tv show about the DaVinci Code and something came up to my mind....
 
this might has been posted before but I don't care much....so here's the deal..we abreviate OCTAVARIUM as 8V and we know that "8" represents eight studio albums and "V" it's the number 5 in roman..buthere's another weird thingy that ..."8" could be the infinity symbol wich in the tarot, it represents the balance of forces; and the "V" represents victory...our abreviated way for octavarium means....eight victories...OUR NUGGET......
 
I'll get more nonsense ideas....eventually..lol

Ok, i was looking on the lyric pages to find these faces "sketched up", but couldn't come up with them at all... but after a while i found what appeared to be figures, like a dude standing with his arms crossed in front of him, it's vague, but easier to see if it's at arm's length... inbetween the 2 columns on TROAE, these walls, IWBY, neverenough and sacrificed sons, and the first page of 8vm.
 
Also, something i haven't seen mention of... that i almost wanna keep to myself in case it turns into something and i get some super nugget prize... open to the last lyric page, with full circle and intervals on it.  Turn it 90 degrees to the left, so the kid's string is pointing up.  now look right above the lyrics of full circle, the second and third stanzas... there's a little step thing, like a bar graph, and letters above it, the only ones i can make out so far are R  LR, but there's something else in the middle, i think, i'm about to go through and find other letters, maybe some word jumble they're playing...?

Forgive me if this has been brought up, but is there any chance that MP.com or another site could perhaps host a page (or add to FAQ) that lists the confirmed references on this album?
 
I'm not sure if MP has commented yet on all we've been talking about (on tour, I know), but some of the references are obvious, such as:
 
 - References to TGP and TDS on TROAE - both lyrically and musically.
 - The bell going eight times, the ticking clock from SFAM, heartbeat (I&W reference?)
 - Bohemian Rhapsody and Jingle Bells melodies in 8V
 
Otherwise, this thread could go on forever...not the worst thing, of course...
 
--Kev

It would be cooler if the name of the album was:
 
A STATE OF OCTAVARIUM
 
right?

Repetativeness abounds... VERY MUCH. lol

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Without flaming me, someone please convince me I am wrong!

Ok, Mike's XM interview. Go to the audio page and give it a listen. You will have no concerns about this being the last album ever after hearing it.

From him talking about looking at where they will go after the tour, to the finishing of the AA saga, he leaves no doubt that they are NOT done.

Kevin Wale
Look ma... I'm playin guitar on the interent!
Bipolar Echo
enduvus

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dude..... your post lacks smileys, so I dono if ur serious.
But my original one did too, so maybe that's the problem....
Point being, I was just playing around.

Yeah, I was really  more commenting to the post before yours anyway... :)

Kevin Wale
Look ma... I'm playin guitar on the interent!
Bipolar Echo
enduvus

Dunno if someone already mentioned it but at the end of Octavarium Mike plays the same drum fills as he does at the end of "In the name of god".

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This thread is hilarious. Prog nerdism to the nth degree! Keep the crazy theories coming guys...
 
I think Mike died 8 months ago and the 5 represents the 5 point heart exploding move as seen in Kill Bill. Mike is communicating from beyond the grave to help us avenge his death!
 
This thread is beginning to remind me of that hilarious analysis of Metropolis and SFAM that showed up on the forum a few months back....priceless.

ORIGINAL: JRuless

Don't know if it is said before in this thread (ive not read the whole)
but:

- inside the booklet the word "octavarium" appears 8 times
- on the gray pages (with the lyrics) ,hard to see, but if there are 8 faces sketched up. (rotate the booklet)

and why does James not sing what's in the booklet? The lyrics from TROAE are different (the for-last sentence) then what james sings.
in the text: "and the drive that keep burning deep inside"
"cast it all away"

James sings:
"The desires that keep burning deep inside"
"Cast them all away"
Like the text in part VI

So many recordingtime and overdubs, and still singing the wrong lines?

greetz..

Ummm... that's probably a misprint in the book, which is MUCH more likely than the band letting this album go out with lyrical flops in the singing.

Then again, you could also just be hearing James incorrectly.

"Jack rabbit mister, spawn a new breed, of love-hungry pilgrims nobody's to feed
Show me a good man and I'll show you the door! The last hymn is sung and the Devil cries 'MORE!'"

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Also, something i haven't seen mention of... that i almost wanna keep to myself in case it turns into something and i get some super nugget prize... open to the last lyric page, with full circle and intervals on it.  Turn it 90 degrees to the left, so the kid's string is pointing up.  now look right above the lyrics of full circle, the second and third stanzas... there's a little step thing, like a bar graph, and letters above it, the only ones i can make out so far are R  LR, but there's something else in the middle, i think, i'm about to go through and find other letters, maybe some word jumble they're playing...?

 
ok i think this is kind of big... im thinking maybe the bar graph is like one of those things in winamp where it measures the Db's and how the signal is. Maybe it's a certain part of music or something.
 
Also the whole James LAbrie coma thing is brilliant. Makes perfect sense to me. I'm just hoping MP comes on here and gives us some sort of direction or confirmation on whether there really is one massive super-nugget that will blow us away.

Okay.....this is a lot to read and I have to leave in a half hour and dont have much time.......so does anyone know what the the footsteps are supposed to signify in the beginning of TROAE?  Sorry if this was asked earlier.

ORIGINAL: DaNcEr Of EtErNiTy

I just noticed something..I was watching a tv show about the DaVinci Code and something came up to my mind....

this might has been posted before but I don't care much....so here's the deal..we abreviate OCTAVARIUM as 8V and we know that "8" represents eight studio albums and "V" it's the number 5 in roman..buthere's another weird thingy that ..."8" could be the infinity symbol wich in the tarot, it represents the balance of forces; and the "V" represents victory...our abreviated way for octavarium means....eight victories...OUR NUGGET......

I'll get more nonsense ideas....eventually..lol

 
And those are force balls on the front page. :)

I love teachers... you do something wrong, they make you do it over again. R.I.P. Rodney

Hmmm.... Jordan had a fish on the right side of his keyboard during LaB.... hm hm... can't be a coincident.. hmmm.... nugget! 

did anyone say already that I&W was released June 7, 1992?

My cup overflows.

I am not sure if anyone stated this yet, but has anybody noticed how the octave for "F" is althrough the images on the album.  The front cover is the octave for "F", the back pic of the case with the pics of the guys & titles for the tracks, the keys inside the case. If you turn the case with the keys on the bottom...yup "F" octave.  And the thing that led me to this was the pic with the star in the octagon.  All the letters and numbers but look carefully and you will see F1 and F2. No other letter is used twice in that pic. 

"Loyalty, trust, faith and desire
Carries love through each darkest fire."

im pretty sure that mike was going to post like "in 8V there's a nugget. the one who finds it first gets some signed hair or shit"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
but we already found all the nuggets...... even the ones that THEY were'nt aware of......

My cup overflows.

3 things to point out:
 
1st: There are not 5 but SIX fish in the water........if you look carefully to the right of the "aquatic page", at the bottom, you can actually see the tail of the sixth fish!
 
2nd: In the same scene, the sun is not right, you can see that the sun is at the top left BUT the shadow of the stop sign is also going towards the left!!
 
and 3rd: On almost every pages, if you turn the booklet 90 degrees to the left, you can actually see the R    RL thing a guy pointed out and if you look , for example, under the "captive inside of me" line on the these walls page, about 1/4" under, you can see the word "ballad". The word finishes at the "fading" line................
 
Thats alll for now

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My cup overflows.

have i got a different booklet to everyone else??? I'm not seeing any of the stuff anybody is talking about... Can someon put a scan of one of these pages on the board?

ORIGINAL: Thedon7622

Okay.....this is a lot to read and I have to leave in a half hour and dont have much time.......so does anyone know what the the footsteps are supposed to signify in the beginning of TROAE?  Sorry if this was asked earlier.

 
I've posted it a couple of times!!  http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=883728&mpage=12&key=# &
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=883728&mpage=5&key=&#.
 
The footsteps are very similar to the ending of SFAM {Hypnotherapist had slow steps, I believe} 
At least I know I'm not the only one!!

OK, so a few nuggets I heard in the song Octavarium, although I don't know if they've been mentioned before...
 
During Full Circle, it has been established that MP or someone else is saying "root, second, third, etc" to correspond with each stanza of lyrics. Also, during each stanza, after hearing the number spoken, I can hear very faintly in the background other singing, which sounds alot like James. I think it alternates between two different melodies. Does anybody else have any clue what it is?
 
Also, when James is screaming "Trapped inside this Octavarium" beginning at 19:36 You can hear faintly in the right channel, either John, or  Jordan on Continuum, is playing the "Medicate Me" melody, at the same tempo as in "Medicate" beginning about 10:10 in the song.
 
I definitely hear some sections reminiscen ot The Dance of Eternity dotted through the song
 
 

What are all the backing voices during Intervals?

Also, does anyone else here "Trapped inside this OC-TA-FA-VA-RIUM? Or is it just me?

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The Answer Lies Within

Again 8V vocal melody 2:42 - 2:48

I hear this at 2:56 - 3:02 on my CD.  Odd...although I think that I might know why.

ORIGINAL: Andreameda

3 things to point out:

1st: There are not 5 but SIX fish in the water........if you look carefully to the right of the "aquatic page", at the bottom, you can actually see the tail of the sixth fish!

2nd: In the same scene, the sun is not right, you can see that the sun is at the top left BUT the shadow of the stop sign is also going towards the left!!

and 3rd: On almost every pages, if you turn the booklet 90 degrees to the left, you can actually see the R    RL thing a guy pointed out and if you look , for example, under the "captive inside of me" line on the these walls page, about 1/4" under, you can see the word "ballad". The word finishes at the "fading" line................

Thats alll for now

 
Thats not a fish tail.  It doesnt look anything like the other fish tails.  It might be a seashell or a pistol. lol.

I love teachers... you do something wrong, they make you do it over again. R.I.P. Rodney

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Okay.....this is a lot to read and I have to leave in a half hour and dont have much time.......so does anyone know what the the footsteps are supposed to signify in the beginning of TROAE?  Sorry if this was asked earlier.

I'm not 100% certain because it's hard to hear, but I think I picked out 12 total steps. 12 footsteps - 12-step program...

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Ok...This is bizarre, but there is definately some subliminal pictures by these letter R's everyone is talking about.  Call me nuts, but i see Giraffes and maybe Portnoy's head on some 2 legged creature with a tail.  Seriously, there is something there that was intended.  Everyone please stare by these letter R's on every page and tell me if I am just seeing things.
 
-BKJ

I love teachers... you do something wrong, they make you do it over again. R.I.P. Rodney

Hey......Did anyone noticed that when you divide 8 and 5, it gives you 1,6..

8:5 = 1,6.

And 1,6 is the first decimal of the "Golden Number", which represents perfect proportions in painting, Architecture etc etc.....

I think there's something interesting here !!!

Oh, BTW : Hello everyone

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Ok...This is bizarre, but there is definately some subliminal pictures by these letter R's everyone is talking about.  Call me nuts, but i see Giraffes and maybe Portnoy's head on some 2 legged creature with a tail.  Seriously, there is something there that was intended.  Everyone please stare by these letter R's on every page and tell me if I am just seeing things.

-BKJ

Maybe someone can explain this R thing to me ´cause I can´t see anything special there.

octavarium's awakening part tells th story of the film awakenings that's pretty obvious (30 years, higher dose parts) check this out:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099077/

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Hey......Did anyone noticed that when you divide 8 and 5, it gives you 1,6..

8:5 = 1,6.

And 1,6 is the first decimal of the "Golden Number", which represents perfect proportions in painting, Architecture etc etc.....

I think there's something interesting here !!!

Oh, BTW : Hello everyone

 
1) Welcome to the forum
2)Shut up and pass the dope

My cup overflows.

For some reason I still have no idea what a nugget is. Can someone let me in on what it is?

Why do I feel so numb? Is it to do with where I come from? Should this be fight or flight? I don't know why I'm constantly so uptight.

I haven't really found much more with the R's and L on the pages, but i get the feeling that it's hinting at something big, maybe the big nugz mike was talking about.  Cause think about it, the nug on ToT was aural, wouldn't you think to throw everyone off and do something different this one would be visual...
 
Note to people with blacklight, check the book and the disc out under them, i dont' have one, but that could be something...

Sorry, i wasn't quick enough to edit my last post, but on the pages before the one i mentioned the R's and L's on, you can see maybe one R, but the last page seems to have the most on it... also, the top left of the These Walls page seems to have the most detail in some other letters/numbers i'm seeing... a 5, maybe an S, a 10 on it's side.... lots of oooooo's in a row, a BF somewhere... can anyone else confirm this?

I'm not sure if anyone else said this, but did anyone ever figure out with the "30 years say we're in this together So Open your Eyes" line in Scarred ment? That line is pretty close to the one in 8v and i could never could think why they said 30 years in Awake, besides beign lyrical.  Any ideas?

By the way, I just wondering: What is the AA saga? Have never heard of it before...