Pagan's Mind

How did I know you'd say that John?

ORIGINAL: Kyo
Uh ... there's a REALLY blatant "reference" to ACOS in End of Light, the keyboard plays something very similar to the ACOS acoustic intro. I haven't listened to that CD for ages but I think it was somewhere shortly before the vocals came in.

Yeah, I know the bit you mean. I'd never have linked it to ACOS though. Apart from having a descending melody to it and you can't copyright them!

Yeah, I just realised it sounded like ACoS.

But again, my opinion on this is that even if they DO sound like DT, why's that bad? You may not agree with the fact that they may be "copying" someone else, but if you love the band that they're "copying" why can you not love the band that is doing the "copying"? Is it just on principles that this band is "copying" another so I won't listen to them, even though I may like them?



I'm never going to use the word "copying" again. I promise.

"Influence" sounds so much better!

OHZ NOOOZZZZZZZ!!! Petrucci stole a 6 note riff from Bach's unreleased 1676 Concerto for six mandolins, four panflutes and a recorder in Erotomania!!! I'll never listen to JP again!!!! NOOO!OO!O!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess it all depends on how analytical you want to get. I cannot get "As I Am" = "Enter Sandman" out of my mind, or "This Dying Soul" = "Blackened", but it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of any of the four previously mentioned songs.

Hmm...never thought of the As I Am = Enter Sandman part before. I assume you mean the intro? It's kinda a stretch, but I can see where you're coming from.

That's the thing, none of these are "blatant" to me. The opening riff kinda "feels" like the Sandman riff, but the comparison on this board here when ToT came out centered more around one James trying to "sound" like another James...

When Vanilla Ice stole from David Bowie, now that was blatant

ORIGINAL: Backlash

i would like to listen to some of pagans mind's stuff. anybody got a link?

Glad you found the link Backlash.

Was good to see you on the Pagan's Mind Forum

http://www.pagansmind.com

Yey, I am now a registered forum member at Pagan's Mind!

ORIGINAL: DrumRman
What about all the blatant rip offs we've heard from DT?

I didn't like those either, but how does that make other music more enjoyable?

And DT have yet to release entire albums based on just one other band's style. The interesting bit about the DT "influenced sections" is how they put their own twist on it, adding odd time signatures, completely different parts around it or using significantly more adventurous song structures. So if one riff in Home sounds like the Tool riff from 46&2, there's still like ten minutes of music in that song that doesn't sound like Tool at all. Same with the Pantera influence on The Glass Prison - some of it sounds kinda like Pantera, but Pantera would never have written anything like that complete song. The copycat bands like Dreamscape and Pagan's Mind tend to sound pretty DT-ish throughout.

Oh and lets not forget the TOOL rip offs in The Great Debate, and Home.

Home is indeed somewhat embarrassing in that aspect. That is one case where I feel the "rip-off" claim is justified, especially since MP cites Aenima as one of his favorite albums and MUST have heard the similarity between the two bass lines. But I have yet to hear someone pinpoint a specific Tool song that they ripped off for TGD. It sounds Tool-ish, but I don't think it's more than that.

ORIGINAL: Kyo

ORIGINAL: DrumRman
What about all the blatant rip offs we've heard from DT?

I didn't like those either, but how does that make other music more enjoyable?

And DT have yet to release entire albums based on just one other band's style. The interesting bit about the DT "influenced sections" is how they put their own twist on it, adding odd time signatures, completely different parts around it or using significantly more adventurous song structures. So if one riff in Home sounds like the Tool riff from 46&2, there's still like ten minutes of music in that song that doesn't sound like Tool at all. Same with the Pantera influence on The Glass Prison - some of it sounds kinda like Pantera, but Pantera would never have written anything like that complete song. The copycat bands like Dreamscape and Pagan's Mind tend to sound pretty DT-ish throughout.

NO! I agree with Kyo!

After listening to this band all day-- alot of licks here and there are very similar to DT licks.

But the songs as a whole are orginial and its still good music. Lighten up guys.

I find Pagan's Mind to be more power/prog than pure prog. A cross between DT and Symphony X, with the singer sounding a lot like Geoff Tate. Pagan's Mind rock

For anyone that wants a sample, or who ever hasnt see nthe music video.

Video: Through Osiris' Eyes
http://www.ynot.no/movie/pagansmind.html

I find Pagan's Mind to be more power/prog than pure prog. A cross between DT and Symphony X, with the singer sounding a lot like Geoff Tate. Pagan's Mind rock

LOL dude, I was thinking the same way.... he does sound like Tate during his earlier days.

Thanks for the info, Princess Divine, but we got DrumRman pounding enough crap into us already! 2 DrumRman's... this forum is NOT READY!!

I just watched the Osiris Eye video.
Pretty good I must say!

Just remember that DT are influences for other musicians now!
Just like Yes or Rush were for DT...
Part of music's natural evolution IMO!

09.02.05:

New Pagan's Mind Flash Site up and running today

Great New Media section with fab Videos - don't miss this

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Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

ORIGINAL: Drummintoad

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Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

DrumRman and I have a shared interest.

Maybe we are one and the same person, or from the same Dimension ???

all will be revealed !!

ORIGINAL: Princess Divine

ORIGINAL: Drummintoad

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Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

DrumRman and I have a shared interest.

Maybe we are one and the same person, or from the same Dimension ???

all will be revealed !!

You can't FIRE DrumRman... not possible ;)

great just what we need around here, another forum couple

ORIGINAL: Evil

ORIGINAL: Princess Divine

ORIGINAL: Drummintoad

LOL


Thank you Princess for posting this info in the appropriate thread. Please tell DrumRman he's fired.

DrumRman and I have a shared interest.

Maybe we are one and the same person, or from the same Dimension ???

all will be revealed !!

You can't FIRE DrumRman... not possible ;)

Too true Evil - DrumRman is here to stay - we're not worthy !!!

i LOVE the music!



. . . but i can't get over how amazingly BORED the drummer looks in the "Through Osiris' Eyes" video

ORIGINAL: BreakTheMirror

i LOVE the music!



. . . but i can't get over how amazingly BORED the drummer looks in the "Through Osiris' Eyes" video

I See curiousity got the better of you.

Stian (Thunderforce) could never be described as boring, guess Nils was stealing the show in this video.