Eddie Trunk to interview Rock and Roll Hall of Fame CEO on his radio show

http://www.facebook.com/E...osts/10150432228005617
 
I guess that means Jann Werner.......I'm quite interested to hear this interview.......

It's not.  It's a guy named Terry Stewart.  This dude's no joke.
 
http://rockhall.com/visit-the-museum/learn/staff-bios/terry-stewart-president-and-ceo/
 
And even he thinks Rush should be there:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57339234-10391698/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-wheres-rush-kiss/

You know Eddie will give him hell, and he should.

The shit will hit the fan..................

it would be a lot more significant if it was Wenner.
 
Eddie said on That Metal Show a few weeks ago how the people who work at the actual Museum agree with him and his strong stance about so many artists not being included.
 
He needs to discuss it with the people who are actually in charge of what names end up getting nominated. Wenner is definitely one of them.

My first thought upon reading the thread title was "Eddie's gonna tear him a new one"...
 
But if he wants Rush in...then he's all right with me 

I'm glad that what he's been saying has finally gotten some serious attention.

If Rush ever get in, it really wouldn't make a difference in my life.
 
They were a farce long before Rush ever became eligible.

Hoping that someone rings in to ask him why Deep Purple
haven't been inducted! 
JMcE.

will eddie just talk about KISS the whole time?
 
;)
 
 
food for thought, both King's X & DT should be eligible within the next couple years..

ytserush

 If Rush ever get in, it really wouldn't make a difference in my life.

This. I really don't get why so many people care so much about the hall of fame.

I hope Eddie  doesn't pull any punches when he is face to face, becuase he has no problem telling it like it is when he's at Dingbatz in Clifton NJ!!!

Actually, Eddie said it was someone else (Joel Peresman, or something like that).  I must've missed where Terry Stewart was replaced.
 
Anyway, I think it's going to be a lot of wishy washy, non-committal bull**** totally in keeping with the rhetoric so far.  "Sure, Ed, we all know [Rush, Deep Purple, Kiss, etc.] are excellent musicians who are deserving, but we've got to have a line somewhere, and certainly [Blondie, Laura Nyro, Jackson Browne, Tom Petty] have a long history of moving the music forward and impacting society...."
 
Yadda yadda yadda. 

Naigewron

ytserush

If Rush ever get in, it really wouldn't make a difference in my life.

This. I really don't get why so many people care so much about the hall of fame.

Haha, I don't know why I do.....but like this irritates me.....if you go to the Michigan Museum or whatever it's called, here in Lansing, they have a little bio on Bob Seger.  It lasts two paragraphs but mentions his induction into the Hall (it doesn't mention that they made him sit on the sidelines for well over a decade as they did with Genesis, Alice, Sabbath etc) so as long as people still give props to the hall it will piss me off.....but it probably shouldn't lol

But that is misleading; none of this makes a difference in MY life either, but I still care about the Hall, and my sense of justice (for lack of a better word) still makes it matter.
 
I don't lose a lick of sleep over it, and it certainly doesn't help me pay my mortgage, but there is a part of me - the libertarian part of me, I am sure - that is galled that some jack-flap like Dave Marsh can almost single-handedly stand in the way of what is rightfully due* to Paul Stanley et al for over 40 years of enjoyment they've given to millions and millions of fans. 
 
 
* not my opinion, but by almost every single standard one can name - EXCEPT what Dave Marsh likes. 

Stadler:
But that is misleading; none of this makes a difference in MY life either, but I still care about the Hall, and my sense of justice (for lack of a better word) still makes it matter.

 
We'll have to agree to disagree then.  I don't care about the hall in any way. It doesn't mean a thing to me. Never did.
 
Based on that I don't have any sense of justice one way or another. If that Hall of Fame meant anything to me, then it would mean a different thing entirely.

But it may mean something to the artists that you care about.  And, if you care about those artists, then, by extension, it's not a reach to think you'll care about the hall and what it means to those artists.
 
Me personally, I don't get worked up about it.

There are other accolades (in the case of Rush, anyway) that I care about as a fan more than the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame.  I'm happy about those accolades.
 
 

Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame was a HUGE one IMO.  Far bigger in the grand scheme of things when you really get down to it. 
 
Also, The Order of Canada is another one they've received which was huge. 

I'm with Spunky.  It is not unreasonable that regardless of the artist merits of the artists career, they might be amenable to the accolades that might come of their career work.  Paul McCartney for one has always been on  record as having been very proud of his accomplishments, and he was always worried about how his legacy would be perceived vis-a-vis John's.   It's not a stretch to think then that the Hall might have some allure to these musicians, no matter how "rock'n'roll" it might be to claim they "don't care at all". 

Speeding Wheels:
Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame was a HUGE one IMO.  Far bigger in the grand scheme of things when you really get down to it. 
 
Also, The Order of Canada is another one they've received which was huge. 

 
These were the two biggies I was thinking of.
Also, National Lampoon's Band of The Millenium.
 
It may not be unreasonable for other bands to view this in the light you suggest, but if you know anything about Rush and how they steer their career, you'd realize that this honor is an exception to the rule.
 
The evidence is all there.

^^^ I've never had the privilege of meeting them (not being snarky or facetious) so I have no insight into how it would be regarded, though I do recall one interview with Geddy where he acknowledged it would be a honor should it happen. 
 
In any event, I was speaking generally. 

I'm not that interested in the "Hall of Fame," but the logic-defying rationalizations for what does and doesn't belong in there usually irks me when I hear about it.  I'm like that about a lot of things though, whether they impact me personally or not.

Oh, yeah, the Jann Wenner Hall of Fame. Basically, as we all should know, the RNRHOF basically is t he celebratory arm of Rolling Stone magazine. Hence, almost anything that gets semi-to-regular coverage (editorial or otherwise) in the pages of RS will - at the least - get a nomination if not an actual (eventual) induction into the "RNR"HOF. If Trunk takes it to him, it should be an interesting interview. Especially if he beats home the demand for an explanation for the continued denial of Rush and KISS into the HOF.

Virtual Scott


Oh, yeah, the Jann Wenner Hall of Fame. Basically, as we all should know, the RNRHOF basically is t he celebratory arm of Rolling Stone magazine. Hence, almost anything that gets semi-to-regular coverage (editorial or otherwise) in the pages of RS will - at the least - get a nomination if not an actual (eventual) induction into the "RNR"HOF. If Trunk takes it to him, it should be an interesting interview. Especially if he beats home the demand for an explanation for the continued denial of Rush and KISS into the HOF.

 
Don't forget NBC Saturday Night Live is another one who promotes anything RRHOF and RSM.
Bump for tomorrow. Hope he mentions the ridiculous rap and pop inductees.
Is this going to be available anywhere to listen?

The one thing I wish, though, is that the dialogue would transcend "why is x not there but y is?" because it is an unanswerable question.  As long as we are asking the RnRHoF "Why is Eric B and Rakim nominated and Deep Purple isn't?" we will never change things, because it always boils down to judgment and taste.  Frankly, not my bag, but EB&R is actually what I consider to be the paradigm of who SHOULD be in there.  They WERE influential, and they WERE critical to a burgeoning genre... as was Deep Purple.  So the argument should be more inclusive and more positive, and more in holding the RnRHoF to their stated objectives, not questioning their taste. 
 
I do not have any faith in Eddie to articulate this argument (and if you saw That Metal Show where he had the lists comparing who was in and who wasn't, you'll know what I mean).
 
 

The problem with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is that it relies on controversy to stay in the news. The RRHOF has invented the "honor" of being inducted, but it's a load of horse shit.  There's no honor in accepting an award/induction when the musicians that inspired you are left out of the club.   Hopefully Smithsonian will eventually have a Rock & Roll wing that will be all-inclusive, educational, and have some historical depth.    

SeventhSon
Hopefully Smithsonian will eventually have a Rock & Roll wing that will be all-inclusive, educational, and have some historical depth.

 
That would be awesome, a pipe dream but still awesome. 

Anybody listening now?  Really wish I had Sirius/Xm........

I am. Eddie's hitting all the right notes with the problems I have, and not completely shoving his agenda down this guy's throat. 

It's not the fact that Rush aren't in that bothers me.  It's the supreme arrogance that bands like Rush, Chicago, Deep Purple, etc. aren't even considered because Wenner doesn't think they're cool.
 
But Eric B. & Rakim are.

The guy said Jann doesn't even have a vote anymore, that he used to be part of that board but isn't now.

Well I mean clearly it's not just Jann, because KISS has made the ballot, but it's just a bunch of people who hate hard rock and prog, so I have to ask the question, if you hate hard rock and prog, why are you involved in something called THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME?!

Alright we all know Purple, Yes, KISS, and Rush aren't in, but look at who is
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...Hall_of_Fame_inductees
 
Blondie!?  Are you kidding me?!?!?!  There are others where you just scratch your head.  This is a joke, and as long as it runs we're going to see continued hatred of prog and hard rock, while an occasional band (Genesis, Guns) makes it in.......but overall they will ignore the music that we love........

Look, don't misframe the argument.  It isn't about "who's in and who's not".  Blondie WAS very influential.  The New York scene that spawned the Ramones, the Velvet Underground, etc. also spawned Blondie, and they were unique in that a) they transcended that scene, and b) they were a woman-fronted act.  The general population just knows them for "The Tide Is High" and that is dreck, so everyone says "shouldn't be there!"  Well, guess what, the general population only knows Deep Purple for Smoke on the Water (and I'll bet half of those don't even know it is actually Deep Purple) so it's the same argument.  If you let the argument boil down to that, you give them the wiggle room to weasel out of doing the right thing. 
 
It isn't Jann Wenner, though it is the Jann Wenner Appreciation Society that is the "controlling force".  And the problem with that is that Jann Wenner has a very self-inflated sense of importance, and it extends to the magazine and the appreciation society.  Just look at the letters page of the magazine:  they have a box in there where they helpfully point out all the positive references to Rolling Stone Magazine in other media, as well as any effects of the articles they run.  Arrogance!  Dave Marsh has single-handedly taken it upon himself to make sure Kiss doesn't get in.  He is very up-front and vocal about this.  So he isn't content to have his views, he is so self-important and "special" he has to force his views on everyone else. 
 
 

Stadler
Look, don't misframe the argument.  It isn't about "who's in and who's not".  Blondie WAS very influential.  The New York scene that spawned the Ramones, the Velvet Underground, etc. also spawned Blondie, and they were unique in that a) they transcended that scene, and b) they were a woman-fronted act.  The general population just knows them for "The Tide Is High" and that is dreck, so everyone says "shouldn't be there!"  Well, guess what, the general population only knows Deep Purple for Smoke on the Water (and I'll bet half of those don't even know it is actually Deep Purple) so it's the same argument.  If you let the argument boil down to that, you give them the wiggle room to weasel out of doing the right thing.

100% agree with this. I have problems with a lot of inductions, but I won't go as far to say they don't deserve to be in. My thing is that they are putting the cart ahead of the horse with some of these inductions and not putting in people who paved the way for them. Guns 'n Roses* getting ahead of some of the bands mentioned in this thread even bothers Trunk who said it in the interview last night, giving them their due but basically saying they are going in off the strength of their first record and not much else.
 
*Maybe it's just the keyboard nut I am, but I'm glad to hear that Dizzy Reed is being inducted as a member of the band.

Bottom line, when you see the likes of Donna Summer being nominated that speaks volumes as to what a load of shit this is.  I'd like to see Rush, Kiss, Yes, etc be inducted but even if they are the organization is still a sham (and shame!).

Stadler

The one thing I wish, though, is that the dialogue would transcend "why is x not there but y is?" because it is an unanswerable question.  As long as we are asking the RnRHoF "Why is Eric B and Rakim nominated and Deep Purple isn't?" we will never change things, because it always boils down to judgment and taste. 

 
Why is this an unanswerable question?  Clearly people make these decisions, can't they describe why they have decided the way that they've decided? 

Quoting Paul Stanley when asked about the RaRHoF:

The beauty of America is that you can basically start any kind of private club you want to. This one happens to be called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's a very impressive name for a club but it's an illusion. It's the creation of a group of industry people and critics who decide who they deem as qualified to be in their little admiration society. It's their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but it's not the people's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Have you ever voted? I know I haven't. That's why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, besides having people who very much belong in there, have an abundance of people who most people will scratch their head and not even have a clue who they are. I don't have anything against anybody who's been inducted, but more than a couple of them are a joke. A band or musician's impact is measured by how they change and influence society and other musicians. That and how many albums and concert tickets they sell should be what gets them into the Hall of Fame. As far as I'm concerned it's a private club with a misleading name. It's a sham.