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    Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Tuesday, November 01, 2011 5:17 PM (permalink)
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    When I get home I'll find the link where Cashman says there is a lot of interest in Darvish without saying it. That makes me so giddy I just want to please myself.


    I heard his interview with Kay today where he basically admitted the Yanks are gunshy on Japanese pitcher. I'd like to see this link. And honestly, I'm having a lot of trouble caring either way. I'm having trouble caring at all about a guy who has never pitched in anything resembling a major league rotation.
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      Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Tuesday, November 01, 2011 5:32 PM (permalink)
      Oh. There will definitely be an adjustment period for Darvish. But his stuff is amazing. His fastball has so much movement, his breaking balls have so much break. The guy is awesome. But, he will have to develop it.

      And since when did people start taking Kay seriously? Cashman basically said he feels comfortable making a decision on Darvish and that he's learned from the past. It sounds awesome. Get 'em. I'd rather him be an Igawa for us than a Verlander for them
       
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        Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Tuesday, November 01, 2011 5:53 PM (permalink)
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        Oh. There will definitely be an adjustment period for Darvish. But his stuff is amazing. His fastball has so much movement, his breaking balls have so much break. The guy is awesome. But, he will have to develop it.

        And since when did people start taking Kay seriously? Cashman basically said he feels comfortable making a decision on Darvish and that he's learned from the past. It sounds awesome. Get 'em. I'd rather him be an Igawa for us than a Verlander for them

        Your first point is exactly what has been said about most of these imports. And I interpret that quote to be the exact opposite of what you see it as. The only lessons of the past are negative ones. And why would you be OK with paying a guy to star for Scranton-Wilkes Barre?
         
        And why should Kay not be taken seriously? He's a journalist and broadcaster who knows how to conduct an interview.
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          Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:03 PM (permalink)
          "As for Yu Darvish, Cashman simply said: “I think like with anything else you learn over time. I think we’re more prepared today than we have been in the past.” (Jon Lane)". That's the quote.

          Also, Kay is a blowhard, if you ask me. I don't think he has as much of a pulse on the Yankees as someone like Andrew Marchand would.

          The Yankees have the luxury of having so much money that they could absorb another failed Japanese import. But I have seen tons of videos of this guy. Yankee scouts love the guy. If Darvish blossomed into a Verlander-type pitcher for another team, and the Yankees didn't make a move, it would be bad. Especially because they could easily win the posting fee. But, if he flops, again, it's only money. Of course, his contract isn't going to be large. Look at Daisukes. Most of the money is in the posting fee. Which wouldn't be affected by the luxury tax.
           
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            Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:13 PM (permalink)
            http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7179391/new-york-yankees-gm-brian-cashman-failing-offer-clear-vision-team-winter
             
            Wallace Matthews is an idiot. He's arguing that the Yankees NEED Pujols. Really? Yeah he's a better hitter than MT25, but like it has been stated in this thread, Pujols has some health issues. Plus, he's going to cost an arm and a leg.
             
            He also said the Yankees need another bat. Again, really? The Yankees outscored the Tigers by 11 runs in the ALDS and lost. What does that mean? Pitching. The hitting bailed out bad pitching ALL season. 22-9 game against Oakland? 16-7 against the White Sox? There are other examples. Wallace Matthews just seems to hate everything that the Yankees do, and I'm beginning to wonder why he even reports on them.
             
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              Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:52 AM (permalink)
              Two jokes in the news today:
               
              1) Frank McCourt is done.
               
              2) The Gold Gloves were announced.
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                Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:15 AM (permalink)
                I've never really paid close attention to the Gold Gloves, but this years selections seem pretty bad.
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                  Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:34 PM (permalink)
                  Fun piece about Steinbrenner's days as an ABL basketball owner in Cleveland from a new book by one of our longtime sportswriters. Thought some of the true believers here may enjoy the read:
                   
                  http://dcoughlin.wordpres...fired-by-steinbrenner/
                   
                   
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                    Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:27 PM (permalink)
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                    Fun piece about Steinbrenner's days as an ABL basketball owner in Cleveland from a new book by one of our longtime sportswriters. Thought some of the true believers here may enjoy the read:

                    http://dcoughlin.wordpres...fired-by-steinbrenner/



                    George was an asshole. But he was our asshole. 
                     
                    Also, this years GG was especially bad because Asdrubal Cabrera didn't win one. He was easily the best defensive SS in the game this year.
                     
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                      Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:31 PM (permalink)
                      So much for the Mike Quade era.
                       
                      Theo claims to be a fan of Ryne Sandberg...
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                        Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:23 PM (permalink)
                        Nooooo!  I want Sandberg to take over for Manuel in a year or two!
                         
                        (can't see him waiting that long, however.  I'm sure he's going to get offers.)
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                          Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:30 PM (permalink)
                          Wouldn't you think that Francona would have to be the top candidate for that position in Chicago given he and Theo's past?
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                            Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:01 PM (permalink)
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                            Wouldn't you think that Francona would have to be the top candidate for that position in Chicago given he and Theo's past?


                            Probably. But I'd be surprised if Sandberg weren't at least looked at.
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                              Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:20 PM (permalink)
                              Well, it looks like Sandberg is out of the Cubs' sweepstakes:
                               
                              "Theo called me 10 minutes after they issued the press release (on Mike Quade) and told me that they have a list of guys and I'm not on it,'' Sandberg said, according to the Daily Herald. "He wished me good luck and said he hoped I got a chance somewhere soon."
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                                Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:27 PM (permalink)
                                I'm surprised.
                                 
                                Then again, I guess the "clean slate" mentality means they're avoiding anyone with previous ties to the organization.
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                                  Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:34 PM (permalink)
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                                    Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:27 PM (permalink)
                                    A-Jax not getting a Gold Glove is verbal murder in the third degree (sorry - just watched Beethoven v. Bieber epic rap battle of history - google it). But Avila winning a Silver Slugger is a nice surprise. Not a surprise in that he definitely deserved it as the best offensive catcher - but a surprise they actually gave it to him. 
                                     
                                     
                                    In related news - only big off season moves I've heard so far are the Yankees resigning their stellar pitching staff. And by that I mean ace. Just him. For 5 years. I'm not sure I'd give Verlander that contract until his 36th (god I hope he stays that long), much less CC... oh well. He's obviously a great pitcher and they have the cash money paper, so what the fk?!  
                                     
                                    Let's see what happens. I'm sure Dombo is going to pull off at least 2 moves that will make me think "WHAT THE FK IS THIS MR. ROGERS LOOKING AHOLE DOING?!?!" one of which will probably be a slam dunk, and the other either an epic failure or a "meh...." C'mon Dombo... just don't trade A-Jax for A.J. Burnett.
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                                      Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Friday, November 04, 2011 9:23 AM (permalink)
                                      Damn. The Nats signed CMW for a 4m contract. Didn't catch the years. Was hoping he'd make a return to NYY
                                       
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                                        Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Friday, November 04, 2011 9:36 AM (permalink)
                                        A story in the paper today here in St. Louis is a writer suggesting/complaining that Pujols game 3 record tying outburst has not garnered enough attention. Furthermore, he suggests that if it had been a player from the Yankees or Red Sox, it'd still be top news. I'm just curious as to you guys opinions on this being that there are quite a few of you guys who follow the East Coast teams way more than I do and have your finger on that pulse. Any merit to this story. I've clipped a section of it and pasted it below. I didn't clip the full story because the remainder of the story is nothing but comparing the national and local ratings and talking about how our local TV station made out like a bandit broadcasting the games.
                                         
                                         
                                         
                                        Dan Caesar, St. Louis
                                        This year's World Series will be remembered for the Cardinals' scintillating comeback after twice teetering just one pitch away from being eliminated in Game 6 before rallying to win, then claiming the title the next night to cap a fairy-tale run after being left for dead in late August.
                                        But what has been the most grossly under-publicized aspect of the Series — in fact in all of sports this year, and maybe many years — was Albert Pujols' epic performance in Game 3. He simply turned in the most impressive offensive display in Fall Classic history, when he tied the Series record for homers (three), hits (five), RBIs (six) and had 14 total bases to snap that mark.
                                        It happened on a Saturday night and afterward the biggest story on ESPN and ESPN.com was Michigan State's victory over Wisconsin on a Hail Mary deflected pass. The next Monday, when the national gabfest circuit was in full voltage, the attention turned to Tim Tebow leading Denver from a big deficit to beat Miami — in a battle of NFL teams that had a combined 1-9 record beforehand.
                                        Could you imagine the massive attention Pujols' night would have received if the Yankees' Alex Rodriguez or Derek Jeter had done that? How about the Red Sox' David Ortiz or Adrian Gonzalez?
                                        It would have been chronicled as not only the best outing in baseball, it would have been compared ad nauseam to perhaps being the best performance ever in sports. But the feat has been relegated to almost footnote status. Little has been made about it nationally even in the Series' aftermath.
                                        Other than the East Coast bias in much of network television coverage, the lack of coverage might have been affected by few people seeing it live. The Nielsen Co. says only 6.6 percent of the nation's homes with a TV were tuned in, making it the second-lowest rated World Series game in records that date to 1971. And it drew the lowest rating in St. Louis of any of the seven contests.
                                        Contributing factors undoubtedly were that the game ended up as a blowout (Cards won 16-7), there was scintillating college football action on TV elsewhere and the game was played on a Saturday — traditionally the least-watched night of programming.
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                                          Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Friday, November 04, 2011 10:09 AM (permalink)
                                          it was talked about on twitter for a long time. Albert gets a lot of attention. Yankees beat writers were on twitter for that game, absolutely gushing over Albert. But, Albert may have the best offensive game in the WS. However, there is no doubt that Larsen's perfect game was the best performance. The guy in the article comes off as though we should have a national holiday dedicated to that game.
                                           
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                                            Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Friday, November 04, 2011 10:17 AM (permalink)
                                            He isn't even a 'regular' sports writer. He just pops in from time
                                            to time and drops articles like that. I don't agree with him at all. I don't
                                            see how Alberts' game isn't talked about during future post seasons for the
                                            next few years. I think he had plenty of exposure as well, I was merely curious
                                            as to what ya'lls opinion was.
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                                              Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Friday, November 04, 2011 11:18 AM (permalink)
                                              RIP Bob Forsch. Wow. A week ago he's throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at game 7. I actually met him while wo rking at a Counry Club in High School, real nice man. Thoughts and prayers are with hisfamily.
                                               
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                                              Bob Forsch, one of a handful of pitchers to have two no-hit games and the third winningest pitcher in Cardinals history, collapsed at his home near Tampa Fla., and died suddenly Thursday night.
                                              Early reports from his wife, Jan, were that Forsch, 61, had suffered an aneurysm in his upper chest.
                                              Forsch, who spent 15 seasons with the Cardinals from 1974-88, won 163 games for the club, ranking him third behind Bob Gibson (251) and Jesse "Pop" Haines (210). Employed as a minor league pitching coach in the Cincinnati organization for the last few years, Forsch was on three Cardinals World Series teams here under manager Whitey Herzog in 1982, 1985 and 1987.
                                              Forsch threw the ceremonial first pitch here last Friday before Game 7 of the Cardinals' 11th World Series championship.
                                              Forsch pitched no-hitters in 1978 and 1983 for the Cardinals, making him the only pitcher in club history to do that.
                                              His best season was in 1977 when he won 20 games. He had 10 double-figure win seaons before finishing his career with Houston in 1989.
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                                                Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Friday, November 04, 2011 3:13 PM (permalink)
                                                I think Albert's accomplishments, as great as they were, were overshadowed by the team's comebacks. 
                                                 
                                                Real shame about Mr. Forsch.  I was always a fan of his and his brother Ken.  I believe one of his no-hitters was against the Phillies?  In the first or second game of the season?
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                                                  Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Saturday, November 05, 2011 5:54 PM (permalink)
                                                  It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.
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                                                    Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:42 AM (permalink)
                                                    What position is he going to play? Though, I guess it is cool either way!

                                                    Cashman apparently is talking to Wilson's agent. Wish he wouldn't. I don't think Wilson is that good. He got his 2.94 ERA against the A's and Mariners.
                                                     
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                                                      Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:11 AM (permalink)
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                                                      What position is he going to play? Though, I guess it is cool either way!

                                                      Cashman apparently is talking to Wilson's agent. Wish he wouldn't. I don't think Wilson is that good. He got his 2.94 ERA against the A's and Mariners.


                                                      Re: Thome, they don't have much confidence Ryan Howard will be ready for Opening Day, if at all next season.
                                                       
                                                      As for Wilson, he'd be a solid #2, great #3. He'll probably find another team willing to make him an ace.
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                                                        Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:31 AM (permalink)
                                                        I'm late to the party - but Albert's historic game came during a 16-7 offensive fest. That dampens it by more than just a little. If every single one of his RBI's were taken out, and everything else was left the same, the Cards still win that game 10-7.
                                                         
                                                        It's funny how people forget that C.J. pitched his home games in the worst pitching ballpark in the league. CJ is that good. He had a bad postseason but so did JV and CC. Look up Lee's stats while pitching in Arlington.
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                                                          Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Sunday, November 06, 2011 12:10 PM (permalink)
                                                          By JV CC and Lee have had more starting experience. Wilson is 31 and he has been a starter for like... 3 or 4 seasons?

                                                          Maybe Rothschild could work wonders with CJ, but I'd rather them save the money for next years FA.
                                                           
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                                                            Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Sunday, November 06, 2011 4:53 PM (permalink)
                                                            He's been a starter for 2 seasons,but he pitched as a starter in the minors. It's kinda like how Lee is highly praised as a top tier pitcher, but the season before his Cy Young year he was sent to the minors and was viewed as a bit of a bust. It's sort of the opposite of the Pujols situation - if you pay high on CJ you're paying for future performances, and not so much his past. CJ wasn't as good as he is now before the last couple years, and I just don't think that should weigh too much in valuing him. If the Yankees do get him, I would think they'd have a good #1, #2. Hell if they don't, I'd be happy if the Tigers go after him.
                                                             
                                                            It's entirely possible I'm wrong and he's gonna suck it up for the rest of his career. He's not Verlander / CC / Halladay / Lee good, but he's not exactly Brad Penny either. I'd put him in the second tier of great pitchers, for sure.
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                                                              Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Sunday, November 06, 2011 6:32 PM (permalink)
                                                              Also to add - your concerns about him being 31 are fine, however. I haven't followed the negotiations, but if it's 3-4 years I wouldn't worry too much. If it's more than that, then it's a problem.
                                                               
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                                                                Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:34 PM (permalink)
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                                                                Re: Thome, they don't have much confidence Ryan Howard will be ready for Opening Day, if at all next season.

                                                                 
                                                                Not really...
                                                                 
                                                                Thome will be a power bat off the bench and DH for Interleague games.  Doubtful that he'll play a lot of first base, if any at all.  John Mayberry will most likely be filling in at first base.
                                                                 
                                                                There's not a lot of talk about Howard being out the whole season.  Most speculation I've read says late May/June.
                                                                 
                                                                And Thome may convince Cuddyer to come to Philly.
                                                                 
                                                                 
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                                                                  Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Monday, November 07, 2011 7:49 AM (permalink)
                                                                  @portnoy 311.

                                                                  Years are the issues. Wilson is going to want years. I don't think he's earned "years". 4 maybe an option for 5 is fine. But with guys like Hamels and Cain as FA next year, I'd rather not lock up a spot with Wilson. I think Nova is going to be better this next season and I'm hoping the Hughes as a starter experiment is over. I'm convinced he isn't a starter. Nova was a solid 1.5 runs better in ERA and only had 1 or 2 horrendous starts. I'd honestly rather give Noesi a shot over Hughes.

                                                                  I really hope Jesus is the DH next season and back up catcher. Let him catch once or twice a week and get to the plate every day. He is gifted with the bat.
                                                                   
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                                                                    Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Monday, November 07, 2011 1:09 PM (permalink)
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                                                                        Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Monday, November 07, 2011 2:14 PM (permalink)
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                                                                        This guy. Whoa.

                                                                        http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/25256/cuban-defector-could-be-a-yankee-amazing-video

                                                                        Video is amazing.


                                                                        Video's already been yanked. Wonder why.
                                                                         
                                                                        I also wonder, in a sport where teens are getting signed, why a relatively old guy (even if he really is 26) is suddenly a hot prospect. A guy this good should have been gobbled up long ago.
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                                                                          Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Monday, November 07, 2011 2:19 PM (permalink)
                                                                          Dobe the Drummer


                                                                          snapple


                                                                          This guy. Whoa.

                                                                          http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/25256/cuban-defector-could-be-a-yankee-amazing-video

                                                                          Video is amazing.


                                                                          Video's already been yanked. Wonder why.

                                                                          I also wonder, in a sport where teens are getting signed, why a relatively old guy (even if he really is 26) is suddenly a hot prospect. A guy this good should have been gobbled up long ago.


                                                                          Maybe he just figured out what in the hell he was doing wrong?
                                                                           
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                                                                            Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Monday, November 07, 2011 3:20 PM (permalink)
                                                                            Maybe everyone has known about him. It says he's a Cuban Defector, not a Dominican or other 'free' country. I mean, it's a bit tougher for him, now he's chosen to defect and probably acutally made it out of the country or something.
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                                                                              Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Monday, November 07, 2011 3:27 PM (permalink)
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                                                                              Maybe everyone has known about him. It says he's a Cuban Defector, not a Dominican or other 'free' country. I mean, it's a bit tougher for him, now he's chosen to defect and probably acutally made it out of the country or something.


                                                                              Good point. Totally overlooked that.
                                                                               
                                                                              I still want to know why the video's been pulled. It sounds fascinating.
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                                                                                Re:MLB Off Season 2011/2012 Monday, November 07, 2011 4:56 PM (permalink)
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