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    faizoff

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    Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 10:58 AM (permalink)
    Downloaded the Beta last night and played it for a little while today before leaving for work.
    What a beautiful looking game! I haven't played the BF series that much but this was amazing to look around and play with.
     
    I was able to play the game at ultra settings on my i5 2500k OCed to 4.5 GHz with 8 GB DDR3 1333Mhz RAM and 1 GB Radeon HD 6870 OCed to 950Mhz.
     
    I'm tempted to preorder this which is something I NEVER do for a video game.
     
    Anyone else play the beta?
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      Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 11:10 AM (permalink)
      I played it last night on the 360 with some serious surround sound going on...pretty amazing, but I suck terribly at it.
       
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        Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 11:49 AM (permalink)
        Tried the beta on PS3 today, it felt pretty nice but I wasn't blown away. It felt a bit like Ghost Recon Modern Warfare meets BFBC2. Didn't realize I could try it on PC as well!
         
        EDIT: Oh it seems I finally have to try EA's Origin... Interested to see how it's compared to Steam.
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          Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 11:59 AM (permalink)
          Oh, don't get used to those graphics.  From what I understand we're playing the XBOX version emulated through the webpage.  I'm not sure how accurate it is, but they don't look as good as expect them to.
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            Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 12:00 PM (permalink)
            Cool to see people like it. I'm a designer on the game (just finished up my last parts a few days ago. It's nice to see people finally get to try it out :) :)
             
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              Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 12:04 PM (permalink)
              "From what I understand we're playing the XBOX version emulated through the webpage"
              This is wholly incorrect actually.
               
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                Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 12:12 PM (permalink)
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                From what I understand we're playing the XBOX version emulated through the webpage. 


                What does that even mean? Emulated through a webpage? As far as I know the webpage is for Battlelog that just lists the servers and other stats and some other things. The actual game itself is not connected to the webpage.
                 
                I doubt it's an xbox port. From what I remember the console versions are supposed to be different (scaled down) from their PC counterparts.
                 
                I guess I should've been more clear that I downloaded the PC version.
                 
                Edit: I maxed it out at my monitor resolution of 1920x1080.
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                  Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 12:18 PM (permalink)
                  efx


                  Cool to see people like it. I'm a designer on the game (just finished up my last parts a few days ago. It's nice to see people finally get to try it out :) :)


                  Thats awesome. Care to share any insights on the process from what you're able to talk about?
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                    Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 1:21 PM (permalink)
                    efx


                    "From what I understand we're playing the XBOX version emulated through the webpage"
                    This is wholly incorrect actually.

                    wow thats awesome 
                    i just love the destructive environment on this game 
                     
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                      Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, September 30, 2011 4:28 PM (permalink)
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                      Cool to see people like it. I'm a designer on the game (just finished up my last parts a few days ago. It's nice to see people finally get to try it out :) :)



                       
                      My god this game is so much fun, this is what I loved about Bad Company 2, I only got into them on BC2 but wow even when your play Battlefield and your not wining your still having fun that's what makes it stand out from other shooters...*cough*COD*cough*...
                       
                      Roll on release day!
                        
                       
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                        Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:22 PM (permalink)
                        So playing more of this last night, I kept getting shot from campers and kept dying quickly. Now granted that I'm not that great or familiar with the controls of BF in general, reading elsewhere most people are complaining of that.
                         
                        People just hiding in shrubs and sniping anyone in the open.
                         
                        The game is still fun though. I'm more of a single player gamer though.
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                          Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:48 PM (permalink)
                          faizoff

                           I'm more of a single player gamer though. 


                          This! I hope the single player campaign is gonna be great. All those gameplay videos are 
                           
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                            Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:05 PM (permalink)
                            I can't play this due to still running XP.
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                              Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:06 PM (permalink)
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                              So playing more of this last night, I kept getting shot from campers and kept dying quickly. Now granted that I'm not that great or familiar with the controls of BF in general, reading elsewhere most people are complaining of that.

                              People just hiding in shrubs and sniping anyone in the open.

                              The game is still fun though. I'm more of a single player gamer though.


                              100 percent agree....campers are everywhere on this map. Hopefully there are better maps than this.
                               
                               
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                                Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:20 PM (permalink)
                                Oh, that is not good news. I like up close gameplay. I was hoping more for an urban thing. But then, it might just be the map.
                                 
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                                  Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 2:33 PM (permalink)
                                  A couple of issues with the 360 version:
                                  1.) Snipers are overpowered.  I mean, like, HOLY FUCK they are overpowered.  Hell, the SVD can damn near kill you (from full health) in one shot; that should not happen.
                                   
                                  2.) Very poor map choice.  Not because I dislike it (although I do agree with the above statements with snipers and bush campers), but because they are missing both BF 'trademarks': Destructible environments (save for some small stuff and two buildings at the very end of the level) and large-scale vehicle warfare.  Seriously, no vehicles?
                                   
                                  3.) Buggy as hell.  Yeah, I understand that it's a beta, but betas should be for the simple stuff like stress-testing, weapon and map balance, and maybe the occasional glitch.  But I'd be surprised if you didn't fall through the map on your first day of playing the demo.  Also, what's with the constant graphical issues?  Quite frankly, I'm not sure how the beta was allowed to be released in the state it's in.
                                   
                                  4.) Creating a squad: It is very annoying how little you actually get in a squad with the people you want to.  If you're in a group of 4, well, don't even hope to all be in one squad.  Even IF you guys manage to get on the same team (you won't), there isn't actually an option to create a new squad from in-game.  You can only join pre-existing ones.
                                   
                                  THAT BEING SAID, a couple of positives:
                                  The whole metro part of the level is fucking awesome.
                                  The bipod, something I thought would be rather useless, is awesome and very well integrated.
                                  The new animations are awesome.
                                  The graphics are awesome (not even referring to the PC version).
                                  The upgrade system is awesome.
                                  Awesome.
                                  Awesome.
                                  Awesome.
                                   
                                  Overall, a very poor beta to a very promising game.
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                                    Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 2:42 PM (permalink)
                                    Yea I've read that the 360 version appears to be buggy as heck. I haven't had any of the map graphics issue so many have seen. I saw screenshots of people getting upside down maps, etc.. So far the only glitch I ran into was joining a server and that was taken care of by signing out of origin and signing back in.
                                     
                                    Will test it out more this today and tomorrow, but yea I'm getting annoyed now by campers, hardly getting any time to explore the map.
                                     
                                    I do love the glint from the reflections. Gives the sniper's position away.
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                                      Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:23 PM (permalink)
                                      So I played 2 full team games this time and I think part of the problem are the spawn points. Why the heck are they so far away from your team members? I run a mile to catch up to the rest of the team and then boom die by a camper.
                                       
                                      Though I did get a few headshots in heh heh.
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                                        Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:45 PM (permalink)
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                                        Oh, that is not good news. I like up close gameplay. I was hoping more for an urban thing. But then, it might just be the map.

                                        I hate snipers. Ruin every game they're in.


                                        There will be both I guess. But the reason for Battlefield IS the huge open field maps. If you played all the other BF games you should be able to handle snipers. oh and this game is made ultimately for PC.
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                                          Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:02 PM (permalink)
                                          I had a look on youtube at people who played the other limited available map Caspian Border which is enormous and amazing. Hard to keep dying there and allows a chance to explore the map a lot more.
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                                            Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:42 PM (permalink)
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                                            Oh, that is not good news. I like up close gameplay. I was hoping more for an urban thing. But then, it might just be the map.

                                            I hate snipers. Ruin every game they're in.


                                            There will be both I guess. But the reason for Battlefield IS the huge open field maps. If you played all the other BF games you should be able to handle snipers. oh and this game is made ultimately for PC.

                                             
                                            This would be my first Battlefield game. I've just heard so many positive things about the game that I'm considering giving it a shot. And I'm not against large, open maps... but if that means it takes forever to get anywhere and just before you do, snipers will eat you for breakfast, then I'm definitely not blowing any money on it.
                                             
                                            I've spent long enough on other popular shooters trying (and failing) to justify the in-your-face, unwisely-aggressive playstyle I so enjoy that I'm very leery about any game that caters to snipers/campers.
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                                              Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:53 PM (permalink)
                                              Chen Zen


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                                              Oh, that is not good news. I like up close gameplay. I was hoping more for an urban thing. But then, it might just be the map.

                                              I hate snipers. Ruin every game they're in.


                                              There will be both I guess. But the reason for Battlefield IS the huge open field maps. If you played all the other BF games you should be able to handle snipers. oh and this game is made ultimately for PC.


                                              This would be my first Battlefield game. I've just heard so many positive things about the game that I'm considering giving it a shot. And I'm not against large, open maps... but if that means it takes forever to get anywhere and just before you do, snipers will eat you for breakfast, then I'm definitely not blowing any money on it.

                                              I've spent long enough on other popular shooters trying (and failing) to justify the in-your-face, unwisely-aggressive playstyle I so enjoy that I'm very leery about any game that caters to snipers/campers.


                                              I think you will like it. The large maps have vehicles (jeeps and such, APCs, tanks, Choppers, and Jets) so usually you take one of those or catch a ride to whatever point you are heading to. It's just a different FPS as opposed to COD, where it's just constant shoot/kill/die/respawn (cause it's smaller maps, and you are restricted to the "tunnel maps" as I call it). BF has more space and resources for strategy and just fun choices of what you wanna do.
                                               
                                              And I don't mind COD (I played MW2 for a while) But I got bored. Kept going back to BF2/ BF2142 and then got BF:BC2. But I always loved the open space games (Delta Force, Joint Operations)
                                               

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                                                Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:49 PM (permalink)
                                                 
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                                                  Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:23 PM (permalink)
                                                  I read that tweet earlier, I'm sure the game release will be a lot better than this beta one. Still unsure if I should get the game on day one. I barely have time to complete my backlog of games I got from steam.
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                                                    Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:03 PM (permalink)
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                                                    Seriously, no vehicles?

                                                     
                                                    This. Also, I'm baffled as to why they chose rush as the gamemode for the beta... Battlefield = conquest, f**k rush. That should've stayed with the Bad Company franchise.
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                                                      Re:Battlefield 3 Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:12 PM (permalink)
                                                      I want to try this game but I completely and utterly refuse to install that P.O.S called Origin on my system. A pity that Dice is tied to EA because it has killed any interest I had in BF3. Same goes for Mass Effect 3, and I loved the hell out of ME2. If either came out on steam I'd get them, but as it stands I wont be playing either.
                                                       
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                                                        Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:51 AM (permalink)
                                                        By chance joined a server that had a great team on both sides. Talk about strategy, I was absorbed in the game for 2 straight hours. Now THAT was fun as hell, learned how to do so many cool things, got used to the map and became much better at the controls.
                                                         
                                                        Never had so much fun playing multiplayer before.
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 1:16 AM (permalink)
                                                          I'm not really that big into the Battlefield series. I downloaded the beta just to try it out (and it's free, so why not!), and I do enjoy it. Still, it's not really my game. I really am a Call of Duty player. I find that I am spending too much time walking around looking for someone to then just shoot me from the bushes. It may just be this map, but I got tired of it pretty quickly. I would like to try a different map with vehicles to see if I really like the game. I also hate that there is no killcam. I know some people may dislike it, but I find that it really helps to eliminate the campers. There was a game of Rush (on Metro... obviously lol) where we were in the upstairs portion of the subway trying to blow up the two objectives. Unfortunately, every time I went up the stairs, someone shot me from a completely unknown location. I tried being careful, but he kept getting me one way or another. If I knew where he was, he couldn't just sit in one damn spot and kill my whole team. I know it's probably unrealistic to know where your enemy is after they kill you, but the camping is pretty ridiculous, and a killcam would help that out. 
                                                           
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                                                            Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:43 AM (permalink)
                                                            This game is all about being realistic. So no killcam doesn't bother me. I rather enjoy it. You're not going to have a killcam in real life.
                                                             
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                                                              Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:20 AM (permalink)
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                                                              I find that I am spending too much time walking around looking for someone to then just shoot me from the bushes. It may just be this map, but I got tired of it pretty quickly. I would like to try a different map with vehicles to see if I really like the game.


                                                              I felt this way in the beginning as well, I mean I've only played BF2 single player mode a little bit and haven't played any other BF series. So this was the first time trying out the MP version. After I got the hang of it, got completely absorbed in the MP game, I can only imagine once this releases and all other maps unfold how much fun it will be.
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                                                                Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 1:53 PM (permalink)
                                                                Chen Zen

                                                                This would be my first Battlefield game. I've just heard so many positive things about the game that I'm considering giving it a shot. And I'm not against large, open maps... but if that means it takes forever to get anywhere and just before you do, snipers will eat you for breakfast, then I'm definitely not blowing any money on it.


                                                                Perhaps you should try Battlefield 1943 (not 1942) or Bad Company 2's Vietnam expansion.  They are much more soldier-oriented and aren't as vast in size.  I actually prefer Vietnam to the original BC2.
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                                                                  Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:05 PM (permalink)
                                                                  I'm downloading the beta to my xbox right now. This will be my last attempt to get into the BF series. I've played both Bad Company games as well as the last "regular" Battlefield game, and the multiplayer has been uniformly frustrating in all of them. I love the idea of huge maps and the availability of vehicles, but campers ruin every game. Most of my online experience w/the series has been: spawn, sprint for about 30-45 seconds to get anywhere close to the action on the map, get sniped from some camper up on a hill.
                                                                   
                                                                  Several of my friends are salivating for this game and want me to buy it on release day, so i guess this beta will determine what happens.

                                                                   
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                                                                    Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:49 PM (permalink)
                                                                    Well, you're going to hate it at first.  When you don't know what you're doing, it's duck season.  Once you get to know the layout of the opening area and where you typically get shot from, it's much easier to not get sniped every minute or so.
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                                                                      Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:39 PM (permalink)
                                                                      That's what i'm hoping. It certainly wasn't the case in the two Bad Company games i played. Even when i figured out where the snipers were hiding, i couldn't get close. My teammates would take all the vehicles, meaning i was vulnerable out in the open. There wasn't enough cover to sneak over to them undetected. I don't know, it just seems like one of those games where it's required that you have several good friends on your team at all times just to make it manageable.

                                                                       
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                                                                        Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 8:06 PM (permalink)
                                                                        Well, if it's any consolation, I'm going 50-20, 30-10, etc. with the Assault class (or whatever it's called now) by myself.  Not trying to toot my own horn (toot toot!), just showing that it's totally possible to go positive with the amount of snipers there are.
                                                                         
                                                                        Of course, this wasn't the case on Thursday when I first played it.  I got my ass kicked hard.
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                                                                          Re:Battlefield 3 Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:43 PM (permalink)
                                                                          So far I'm not too impressed. Of course these are just my opinions:
                                                                           
                                                                          1. I agree with one of the above posters - it feels like they tried combining Bad Company 2 (which I LOVE!) with (what I think was) the last Medal of Honor (which I absolutely HATED.) I feel like the gameplay and pace leans closer to MOH. I was hoping it would have leaned closer to BC2.
                                                                           
                                                                          2. I wish EA would have released a conquest map like Caspian Border rather than a Rush map. Then again, Caspian looks so huge that the file size might be too big for a beta (at least for consoles to download.) Seeing some of the Caspian videos has me hopeful, but if the gameplay is as fast as Op Metro, BF3 could be a game that goes back to Gamestop quickly.
                                                                           
                                                                          3. I REALLY don't like how the first couple of weapons are faction specific. Just as you get used to 1 weapon and its options, you can't use it on the other side. I'm one of those people who tries to gold star 1 weapon at a time to help level up faster.
                                                                           
                                                                          4. I HATE prone with a passion because then it becomes a camper's paradise around the objectives/MCOMMS!!!! I could understand and even encourage its use for snipers but only because they have limited defense. Allowing the other classes to go prone is just idiotic and IMO one of their attempts to appease the Call of Duty fanboys.
                                                                           
                                                                          5. Speaking of COD, Snipers have to hold their breath for a steady shot just like in COD. Give me a break! If I wanted to play COD, I'd go to the store and buy it back. Again, I think this was included just to appease the COD fanboys.
                                                                           
                                                                          6. I don't know if this is a problem specific to the beta (and I hope they have fixed this before release) but the sniper rifles aren't the only weapons that were overpowered. I've made and been killed with 1-shot kills a number of times that weren't headshots.
                                                                           
                                                                          Things I hope they fixed from BC2:
                                                                          1. The range and power for both shotguns and handguns. Even with slugs, a shotgun shouldn't be able to snipe you from great distances. I've been killed several times by a handgun from across the room/field when I have an automatic weapon, I'm shooting (and hitting them) 1st, but I die after I've hit them with 5-7 rounds vs their hitting me with only 2. I realize this is just a game and in some cases this can be caused by lag, but if they're trying to achieve a product closer to real-life, both weapons are highly effective within 25 yards. Outside of that, they lose accuracy and power. That's not the case in BC2. Hopefully BF3 fixed this.
                                                                           
                                                                          2. When running or moving, there are times that I'm getting stuck on twigs or pebbles.
                                                                           
                                                                          3. The matchmaking is totally screwed up in BC2. I'm tired of joining games where we're being base raped (in our base just picking us off as we spawn.) If the player could see how many tickets remain in the match, it would prevent this. It would also prevent people from joining a map they really want to play only to have the game end and the group move to a different map.
                                                                           
                                                                          /gripe
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                                                                            Re:Battlefield 3 Monday, October 03, 2011 4:21 PM (permalink)
                                                                            It is a beta, so they are still working out certain specifics of the game. From what I understand, an update was already put out sometime in the last few hours (although I don't know what they changed yet). So everyone should just chill out and recognize that this is a beta and its certainly possible to run into some problems or inbalances in the weapons.
                                                                             
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                                                                              Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, October 07, 2011 2:21 PM (permalink)
                                                                              Final weekend of the beta and they're going to allow everyone access to the 64 player map called Caspian Border. Should be freakin awesome, can't wait to go home and try it out.
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                                                                                Re:Battlefield 3 Friday, October 07, 2011 7:29 PM (permalink)
                                                                                Just clarifying a few things that were brought up..
                                                                                 
                                                                                There is a "killcam". It's not the same as the COD one where it shows an action-replay, but it shows what that player is doing while you wait for a respawn. Though it's a bit harder to work out their position since you only get a front on view..this and the the fact that you can 'tag' campers work together as a balancing tool.
                                                                                 
                                                                                Also, you are automatically put into a squad of 4 people, and it allows you to spawn right next to anyone in your squad who is already up close to the action - so you don't need to travel a thousand miles to get where you want to be.
                                                                                 
                                                                                I think it's funny hearing about alot of people talking about cancelling their preorders because of the beta's problems.
                                                                                I guess we'll have to wait the actual release to see what it's really like.
                                                                                 
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