Neutrinos seem to move faster than the speed of light... that. should. not. be. happening.

Weird it wasn´t posted before
 
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/
 
Neutrino´s supposedly have a mass, and according to E=mc^2 they traveling faster than the speed of light should be impossible.
 
To say the least, if confirmed, this would be significant, deeming the entire theory of relativity and E=mc^2 a big "WTF?" and likely changing all physics as we know it.And sending back to school to all physicist.
 
Exciting times.

I really hope this is true. I've been waiting for something like this to happen since my first encounter with the relativity theory. I never actually trusted it.

Saw this yesterday.  Very cool stuff going on.

I'm not exactly a professional physicist, but this is, indeed, exciting.

I am also happy to see physical science and astronomy getting more and more exposure to the masses. There have been loads of amazing programmes on BBC lately, each with a good amount of viewing figures. It's a very, very exciting time to be around, what with all the hi-tech innovations and new scientific discoveries.

Back on topic, I too hope that it is true.

Interesting, and has been in the news quite a lot these last days. But I have sincere doubts, we'll have to wait for conforming experiments and reviews.

yep...I LOVE this topic...
 
listening to StarTalk a few weeks ago and a prominent astro-physicist dropped the theory of "the universe is basically the other end of a black hole/each black hole is spawning a universe of it's own)...it was an interesting idea...and one of the few the reconciles Dark Matter/Energy and the universes acceleration.

watched the press conference from CERN yesterday where the guy answered the questions from dozens of scientists for 2 hours. a lot of questions were raised some were fully answered some may be answered after the next experiments are done.
but pretty fucking interesting stuff and what about the consequences after this will be confirmed -

My gut feeling is that they've essentially finally found a Tachyon.
 
Some proponents are ruling against these findings (of faster than C neutrinos) based on the Supernova from '87 of which we detected some neutrinos. But to fully compare, we would need neutrino data from around '83 to see if we caught any of the first emitted neutrinos, which would have travelled faster than C.
 
You should not fully trust a single word from any 'news' site on anything scientific, especially anything pertaining to advanced physics such as this. Most of it is just completely misinformed or misquoted. So one should always take that into consideration. For the more scientifically minded, you can peruse the original paper as published on Arxiv to come to your own conclusions:
 
 
http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897

More exposure to the masses.
 
Hehe.

Although I don't know squat about physics, this kind of stuff fascinates me.

Very interesting stuff.
 
 
Off topic: how do you mark a post as "helpful?"  Why would you choose to do that, when it results in that obnoxious yellow field?

haha yeah. This message is interesting and helpful - CENSOR HIM.
 
Fucking awesome stuff and I've been checking back every few hours for news

All I know is that circumference = TT r^2

proglawyer


All I know is that circumference = TT r^2

That actually is its area. 

Panic Attack

proglawyer


All I know is that circumference = TT r^2

That actually is its area. 

 

Nah, he's making a point:  you can't even trust science and math any more! 

more irrefutable consensus the science community..

The Fish


more irrefutable consensus the science community..

Ow, my grammar.

To those claiming it's a fluke: They reproduced the result 15,000 times before announcing it.

Holy crap.... This is truly one of the most important findings of all time, if confirmed. I love it.
 
 
People who are saying this is somehow a detriment to the scientific community don't get it - this exemplifies how everything can and will be questioned and tested at all times.

portnoy311


Holy crap.... This is truly one of the most important findings of all time, if confirmed. I love it.


People who are saying this is somehow a detriment to the scientific community don't get it - this exemplifies how everything can and will be questioned and tested at all times.

they ran the experiment 15000 times, everytime the same outcome 60 nans ahead of speed of light. that's why they're reporting it.
 
a personal theory is that nuetrinos doesnt constitute mass. So really the E=mc´2 does not really apply. but what do I know... Im not in CERN.

They do have mass. 

We need to start synthesizing neutrino-paste to put on our space ships so we can make Star Trek a reality.

Not really sure if this is too related or not, as I know nothing about nuetrinos.
 
But last week, high frequency trading (HFT) broke the speed of light barrier and allowed trades to be executed on prices that were yet to be set. Crazy stuff:

http://www.nanex.net/Rese...onds/fantaseconds.html

I'm not saying this is a fluke, I'm just always skeptical when people say you can't refute some thing in the sciences because a majority of the science community leans on way or another on any given topic.
 
that last post would of worked better if I had remembered the "in"

My *guess* is that we will find that Einstein's special and general relativity is only true within a certain frame of reference - our four dimensional space time continuum.  Maybe we are starting look beyond this frame of reference through a "quantum" lens so to speak.  Exciting times these are for sure. 

"Modular forms and elliptic curves! Infinite fire revolving around infinite parallels fractals of infinite reality, each cascading, gliding in an infinite wheel. Tell me the true nature of my reality!"
- Ziltoid

I'm highly skeptical, In this Brazilian article, Marcelo Gleiser talks about why and how it may be wrong.

http://veja.abril.com.br/...-o-erro-afirma-gleiser

I'm on my phone, I have no computer, so translating it would be very tedious and complicated, I'd recommend someone to use any web translator and read it and maybe post here.

The implications of this measurement are far beyond "changing the physics as we know it", it's so groundbreaking that I can't even put into words. I sort of get angry when I think about it being true. I've been defending Einstein for the past 6 years (wen I first heard of his theory, and started studying physics). I'm a very modern person when it comes to a lot of things, but for some reason, very conservative with science. Nothin too groundbreaking or that defies a well stablished theory as much as this, in other words: I like my neutrinos traveling slower than light.

Hope someone reads it and explains why I'm almost certain that I won't be screaming angrily at the newspaper because of this.

haglnuts


"Modular forms and elliptic curves! Infinite fire revolving around infinite parallels fractals of infinite reality, each cascading, gliding in an infinite wheel. Tell me the true nature of my reality!"
- Ziltoid

I LOL'd.
 
Ziltoid is our generation's Enstein. xD

Special relativity is super-cool but like most scientific theories that have come and gone it's probably only approximately true. I bet you anything in a couple of centuries we'll be using completely different models for the universe.
 
Makes you excited to be studying physics...

I could measure the speed of a cat hundreds of time and tell you that it always said 100 mph, but that wouldn't mean it was true, it would mean there was some sort of systematic error. Just trying to point out that it being repeated lots is not the end of the story.
Very intrigued as to where this goes. I would love it if it turned out they did go faster than the speed of light.
 

myfriendzeppelin


To those claiming it's a fluke: They reproduced the result 15,000 times before announcing it.

 
I read that they verified the result 15000 times and not necessarily reproduced it.
 
Neil deGrasse Tyson's (astrophysicist) tweet about this:
 
"Dont be conCERNed. Neutrinos would've arrived even earlier, but went joyriding in their DeLorean"
 
 

UnaLaguna

I bet you anything in a couple of centuries we'll be using completely different models for the universe.

 
 
I'll take that bet.

Bails

UnaLaguna

I bet you anything in a couple of centuries we'll be using completely different models for the universe.

I'll take that bet.

I wouldn't take that bet.  In the last few millennia there have been dozens of accepted models of the universe and none of them were complete.  Even what we know today is not complete and there are many questions left unanswered.  It is possible, even likely, that our understanding of the universe will be vastly different a century from now.  

This thread reminds me of a time in my life when I would wake and bake everyday.

Although they verified and re-verified all the equipments and error sources, they need further confirmation by other scientists. I invite you to read this short article: http://www.universetoday.com/89191/faster-than-the-speed-of-light-opera-update/

SeventhSon

I wouldn't take that bet.  In the last few millennia there have been dozens of accepted models of the universe and none of them were complete.  Even what we know today is not complete and there are many questions left unanswered.  It is possible, even likely, that our understanding of the universe will be vastly different a century from now. 

 
My point was that neither of us would be around in "a couple of centuries," so UnaLaguna couldn't collect anyway.

Bails

SeventhSon

I wouldn't take that bet.  In the last few millennia there have been dozens of accepted models of the universe and none of them were complete.  Even what we know today is not complete and there are many questions left unanswered.  It is possible, even likely, that our understanding of the universe will be vastly different a century from now. 

My point was that neither of us would be around in "a couple of centuries," so UnaLaguna couldn't collect anyway.

 
 
All legitimate bets between gamblers in uncertain terms (such as this one, where one might die), are escrowed. His kiddos would collect on his behalf, of the funds you'd put up now.
 
But I tend to agree that everything we know will be flipped in a century. Physics at this level is so experimental we likely will see something astounding soon (as if something going over the speed of light wasn't as much already), and the physics world will be turned upside down. Unfortunately most of the world tends to rely on their views of the world that were dictated thousands of years ago, so even earth shattering revelations of how the world works won't affect modern life as much as it should.

As my favorite comedian Brian Regan once said - "I'm sitting on the couch working on my string CHEESE theory."
 
 
I have never heard of a neutrino. Reading it for the first time, I thought it was the spanish word for neutron, lol.

portnoy311

Bails

SeventhSon

I wouldn't take that bet.  In the last few millennia there have been dozens of accepted models of the universe and none of them were complete.  Even what we know today is not complete and there are many questions left unanswered.  It is possible, even likely, that our understanding of the universe will be vastly different a century from now. 

My point was that neither of us would be around in "a couple of centuries," so UnaLaguna couldn't collect anyway.

All legitimate bets between gamblers in uncertain terms (such as this one, where one might die), are escrowed. His kiddos would collect on his behalf, of the funds you'd put up now.

But I tend to agree that everything we know will be flipped in a century. Physics at this level is so experimental we likely will see something astounding soon (as if something going over the speed of light wasn't as much already), and the physics world will be turned upside down. Unfortunately most of the world tends to rely on their views of the world that were dictated thousands of years ago, so even earth shattering revelations of how the world works won't affect modern life as much as it should.

Dude, I was just making a joke.  Lighten up.
 
I agree with you about the progression of physics.