SANCTIONED : DT - ADTOE Discussion

Is there a "sanctioned" thread for pre-release news discussion about the new album? If so, please point me to it. I saw this on DT Forums - http://www.dreamtheaterfo...53.msg867186#msg867186 - this morning and thought it was exciting.
 

Mebert78
Lastly, I asked him if he could give me any details on the new album, songtitles, anything.  He said one thing he could tell me is that Myung wrote lyrics for songs (I believe he said songs, plural -- as in multiple songs).  Of course, we already figured this would happen.  He said next he is recording his keyboard parts.  I asked him if drums are done.  He said yes and they are killer.  He said Mangini would play some parts with one hand and he's never seen anything like it.  I asked if Mangini wrote the music together with the band, like Portnoy used to do.  He said no.  Jordan, John and John did the writing without Mangini.  I think that's pretty much it.  I kept it short, because I didn't want to hog his time.  But it was great to meet him.  Such a nice guy.  Cool show.  Definitely worth the car ride!

IF this is true....it's awesome!!

Makes sense that JM would start writing again.  Coupled with what he said in the third episode about jamming with JP again, seems like he's getting a lot more involved again, which is great.

JM lyrics yesssssssssssssssssssssssss

JMX lyrics.. oh good god
Im so excited for this album!

OUmd


Is there a "sanctioned" thread for pre-release news discussion about the new album? If so, please point me to it. I saw this on DT Forums - http://www.dreamtheaterfo...53.msg867186#msg867186 - this morning and thought it was exciting.

Mebert78
Lastly, I asked him if he could give me any details on the new album, songtitles, anything.  He said one thing he could tell me is that Myung wrote lyrics for songs (I believe he said songs, plural -- as in multiple songs).  Of course, we already figured this would happen.  He said next he is recording his keyboard parts.  I asked him if drums are done.  He said yes and they are killer.  He said Mangini would play some parts with one hand and he's never seen anything like it.  I asked if Mangini wrote the music together with the band, like Portnoy used to do.  He said no.  Jordan, John and John did the writing without Mangini.  I think that's pretty much it.  I kept it short, because I didn't want to hog his time.  But it was great to meet him.  Such a nice guy.  Cool show.  Definitely worth the car ride!

My biggest concerns continue to be realized.

JM lyrics!!! Fuckin stoked dude!

JMX lyrics owwwwyeeeeah

fucking quote feature isn't working again
 
I direct this at Dobe the Drummer
 
I don't see why this is a big deal. It's his first album with DT and maybe he didn't feel comfortable writing or they didn't feel comfortable letting him write. Or maybe even most of the music had been written prior to his joining. I'm sure the next album be he'll get to be even more involved.

Dobe the Drummer

OUmd


Is there a "sanctioned" thread for pre-release news discussion about the new album? If so, please point me to it. I saw this on DT Forums - http://www.dreamtheaterfo...53.msg867186#msg867186 - this morning and thought it was exciting.

Mebert78
Lastly, I asked him if he could give me any details on the new album, songtitles, anything.  He said one thing he could tell me is that Myung wrote lyrics for songs (I believe he said songs, plural -- as in multiple songs).  Of course, we already figured this would happen.  He said next he is recording his keyboard parts.  I asked him if drums are done.  He said yes and they are killer.  He said Mangini would play some parts with one hand and he's never seen anything like it.  I asked if Mangini wrote the music together with the band, like Portnoy used to do.  He said no.  Jordan, John and John did the writing without Mangini.  I think that's pretty much it.  I kept it short, because I didn't want to hog his time.  But it was great to meet him.  Such a nice guy.  Cool show.  Definitely worth the car ride!

My biggest concerns continue to be realized.

MM was probably not completely in the picture during the writing period.
 
No offense but, are we going to start a "Whining About the New DT Album" thread?

JMX lyrics?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*instant death*

THIS is exactly why I wasn't devastated as some people at MP's life changing news....sure i was upset and it changed everything for DT...but i agree with MP's statement of wanting to take a 5 year haitus, DT was sounding too generic their last few albums....hopefully with more JMX lyrical songs it'll go back to something like the olden golden years....
 
(THIS IS NOT A TROLL AGAINST MP, if anything i nod my head to him, because i agreed 100% with his opinion on why he left)

Progmetalman
I don't see why this is a big deal. It's his first album with DT and maybe he didn't feel comfortable writing or they didn't feel comfortable letting him write. Or maybe even most of the music had been written prior to his joining. I'm sure the next album be he'll get to be even more involved.

It might  be that the band want to explore the new dynamic between themselves (with JM and probably JL contributing more than recently) before adding yet another element to it all. Or It might have been MM's own idea in the first place. Either way, if it means that they created the new material less by jamming it out and more by actually writing and arranging stuff, I'd actually welcome that development very much.

Kyo

Progmetalman
I don't see why this is a big deal. It's his first album with DT and maybe he didn't feel comfortable writing or they didn't feel comfortable letting him write. Or maybe even most of the music had been written prior to his joining. I'm sure the next album be he'll get to be even more involved.

It might  be that the band want to explore the new dynamic between themselves (with JM and probably JL contributing more than recently) before adding yet another element to it all. Or It might have been MM's own idea in the first place. Either way, if it means that they created the new material less by jamming it out and more by actually writing and arranging stuff, I'd actually welcome that development very much.

This is a good point. But during the auditions, they specifically tested the drummers' ability to partake in that jamming, so I don't know that they're going to deviate from it all that much.

I actually stopped reading the sanctioned thread due to amount of bitching. I can only hope this thread doesn't degenerate into that as well. That quote is nothing short of OMG!!!
 

 

Dobe the Drummer

Kyo

Progmetalman
I don't see why this is a big deal. It's his first album with DT and maybe he didn't feel comfortable writing or they didn't feel comfortable letting him write. Or maybe even most of the music had been written prior to his joining. I'm sure the next album be he'll get to be even more involved.

It might  be that the band want to explore the new dynamic between themselves (with JM and probably JL contributing more than recently) before adding yet another element to it all. Or It might have been MM's own idea in the first place. Either way, if it means that they created the new material less by jamming it out and more by actually writing and arranging stuff, I'd actually welcome that development very much.

This is a good point. But during the auditions, they specifically tested the drummers' ability to partake in that jamming, so I don't know that they're going to deviate from it all that much.

True, but that wouldn't factor into this album if most to all of the music had been written before Mangini was brought in, which appears to be the case.

Maybe they don't want to share royalties with the new guy just yet

TheNurse


Maybe they don't want to share royalties with the new guy just yet

 
This was my first guess.
 
Also remember that writing in the past was generated from ideas that all four members brought to the table.  If, like someone hinted, most of the ideas were already on the table, then MM would only have to take care of his parts.   MP did far more than that.  He didn't *just* write his drum parts, he changed the direction of where any given song was going.  He would give others direction.  (when I do this, you do that)
 
Someone (I think Scotty) pointed out to me that MM has never been a "composer"...but that not necessarily a bad thing.  He will write his drum parts and the musical ideas will come from the three J's.    (with maybe, the occasional composition from JLB...he's not incapable.)

Cool.  Will be interesting to see what sort of headspace JM is in having not heard lyrics from him in so long.

Dobe the Drummer

OUmd
 

  I asked if Mangini wrote the music together with the band, like Portnoy used to do.  He said no.  

My biggest concerns continue to be realized.

I wouldn't read too much into that.  Neil Peart never got "writing" credits on the music, but you can't deny he had a very heavy hand in his own dum parts.  Ged & Alex didn't make him the most influential drummer of a generation, right?  No worries - Jthe three J's know whats what.

Monk

That quote is nothing short of OMG!!!

 
MM agrees.
 











 

I think that the change in the writing/recording process/dynamic necessitated by MP's departure will be the biggest benefit of this whole situation for DT. Sometimes a change in the process or dynamic can be a huge charge to the overall creativity level. Should be interesting. I am very hopeful and optimistic that we will see something fresh from DT this time.

socool111

but i agree with MP's statement of wanting to take a 5 year haitus, DT was sounding too generic their last few albums....

 
that's NOT why he wanted a break; he thought the personal relationships had gone stale. read the classic rock mag interview. he was proud of everything they did musically. he wanted a break from the members of the band.

How could anyone complaining about the album right now? Myung wrote lyrics to at least one song!!!!!!
 
This has been needed for YEARS!

JRundquist


How could anyone complaining about the album right now? Myung wrote lyrics to at least one song!!!!!!

This has been needed for YEARS!

Definitely. It will be great to see a snapshot of the wisdom JMX has attained in the last decade.

It kind of makes sense that he didn't participate in the writing. I mean, he was still teaching at Berklee, and the guys in DT were working (non-stop, I'm sure) on writing the new album. Maybe he'll be there more for the next record and maybe not. Who knows. We will see how it turns out with JP, JM and JR doing all the music.
 
Great to see JM back writing lyrics. I know it's been stated that MP needed a break from the other guys in the band, maybe the other guys in the band needed a break from MP and how he works in DT? (Judging by the way things went down, it seems totally possible...)

Myung lyrics are always good in my book :D
So that may be a good sign of the new direction.

LOL, that manager dude always looks like he just received some abominable news.

 

faizoff
 

Was this anyone else's favorite part of the documentary?  I almost pissed myself.

Who is that guy?

Some JMX lyrics is awesome news.  Knowing that they're changing it up gets me pumped for the new album.

I think his name is Steven Spielberg.

Frank Solomon I think. Their manager.
 
Oh yeah, this is excellent news on how the new album is going and that JM contributed some lyrics! It's totally understandable that there will be some changes in the process and I'm totally cool with that.
 

 

TheNurse
Maybe they don't want to share royalties with the new guy just yet

I seriously doubt that.

Solitary Glen


Frank Solomon I think. Their manager.

He's also Iron Maiden's manager. He's quite an important guy in music

Nomy Pitreko

Solitary Glen


Frank Solomon I think. Their manager.

He's also Iron Maiden's manager. He's quite an important guy in music

Iron Maiden's manager has been Rod Smallwood for as long as I can remember

faizoff

Nomy Pitreko

Solitary Glen


Frank Solomon I think. Their manager.

He's also Iron Maiden's manager. He's quite an important guy in music

Iron Maiden's manager has been Rod Smallwood for as long as I can remember

Yeah, I was just gonna say that.

Holy crap, JMX writing lyrics? This is awesome!