Ytse Jam Records....ended????

MIke leaves the Dream Theater. This produces also the end of the publication of the official bootlegs?

I think this has been covered.  I seem to remember JP saying in an interview that he would not interfere with any future YtseJam releases or words to that effect.   If that memory is correct, it would put the ball in MP's court. 

Time will tell.

Why would Mike want anything to do with that moving forward? I damn sure wouldn't if I was him. Let someone in DT handle that. It's their job now.

probably on Hiatus until Mike comes back to DT

liquid_tenor


Time will tell.

This.
 
I personally believe that it will float out there and may ultimately be a bridge that can bring the band back together.

As this question seems to come up every few weeks, I may as well go on the record:
 
I have no idea why JP would have said Ytsejam Records wouldn't be effected... 
 
I was the one that hand picked and decided on every title, compiled the music and videos for the CD's and DVD's and oversaw the artwork and liner notes.
 
John's side of the YJR Production team consisted of dealing with the manufacturing factory and staying on top of the payments and deliverys after I produced all of the titles...
 
Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home, and being the band currently refuse to answer my emails or calls, I honestly cant see any upcoming releases...
 
It's a shame too....I was already working on another batch before all of this went down.... 
 
MP
 
 
 

Would have been great to hear, but life carries on. Looking forward to hearing your future output, and supporting your new work.

Ah, what a shame, let's hope we see some more in the long run.

jammindude


I think this has been covered.  I seem to remember JP saying in an interview that he would not interfere with any future YtseJam releases or words to that effect.   If that memory is correct, it would put the ball in MP's court. 

It would be nice to see the interview to see his exact words. Does anyone have a link?

Such a shame, but we'll survive!
Not so happy about the band refusing phone calls and emails though :( but maybe it's still too fresh or something

Really wish they'd answer your calls or emails Mike...

Shame they're brushing you off Mike.
 
I hope you have all the DT stuff in a nice big fire/bomb/water/Smokie/Man in Black-proof safe Sir!!

Portnoy

and being the band currently refuse to answer my emails or calls, I honestly cant see any upcoming releases...
   

 
This type of comments started a flame war on this forum a while ago. Although I respect your honesty with the fans, it kind of makes us takes sides... which is truly a sad thing. IMO, sometimes is better to left this information out from the public. 

Nick3lson


Such a shame, but we'll survive!
Not so happy about the band refusing phone calls and emails though :( but maybe it's still too fresh or something

Or perhaps they've been legally advised that it would be unwise to make personal contact with MP until any lingering contractual issues have been finalised.

Portnoy


the band currently refuse to answer my emails or calls... 
  
MP 
 

 
Music is such a great gift ............The music "BUSINESS" BLOWS!
I NEVER thought this would happen with Dream Theater!

Man, that's such a shame...for as gutted as we feel about the whole situation and all of its implications, it doesn't hold a candle to what Mike must be going through.  To suddenly have your best friends of the past 25+ years not answering your phone calls is a feeling that not many can relate to.  Cruithne brings up a good point about legal advice and whatnot, but it's still a damn shame

I'm more concerned with the lack of communication between MP and the band then the bootleg releases. I hope that what ever the issue is it can be resolved.

Portnoy


I have no idea why JP would have said Ytsejam Records wouldn't be effected... 
 

My guess is that he meant that future sales of what's already available wouldn't be effected... I don't know the exact wording of what JP said so I may just be pulling this out of my ass, but it seems to make the most sense.  If he specified that they were gonna continue making new official bootlegs then I'm obviously wrong, again I don't know his exact words so this is kind of an uneducated guess.  Maybe he's gonna take a swing at putting together a bootleg?  I don't see how it would be possible, since all the recordings of shows and whatnot is within the Portnoy Archives, but ya knever know, I s'pose.

I'm terribly disappointed in everyone who has posted in this thread, including myself. We're all adults here and too old to be fueling the hard feelings of what should be primarily private matters. No one  knows what the future holds. Burning bridges is unwise.
 
I know, I know, so why post this comment? I've bit my tongue (or fingers as it were) thousands of times in the past six months. One just gets sick of it at some point.

Nooooo... It is impossible.
Hiatus - yes, but ending  - noooooooooooooooo..... never
I think there-s too much to relaese.......
for example AC-DC cover.......

Portnoy


Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home, and being the band currently refuse to answer my emails or calls, I honestly cant see any upcoming releases...
 
 

 
it's been rumored for a few months that there's legal issues going on between you and DT. if that's the case, (again, i said rumored), i don't see how you would be so shocked when they aren't returning calls.
 
and it doesn't really matter where the archives physically live. you can't tell me the other guys don't have just as much of a claim to those as you do.

Cruithne

Nick3lson


Such a shame, but we'll survive!
Not so happy about the band refusing phone calls and emails though :( but maybe it's still too fresh or something

Or perhaps they've been legally advised that it would be unwise to make personal contact with MP until any lingering contractual issues have been finalised.

Jeah could be! Let we all hope so. Time will tell

Portnoy
 

Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home, and being the band currently refuse to answer my emails or calls, I honestly cant see any upcoming releases... 
   

I live in Philly (in the City proper) so I can't be that far from you; a train ride at the most!  I'll bring the chips and the pop, let's have a party!!  You don't have to do anything, except mybe supply the music?
 
:)

@ Podaar
Don't see how my post is "fueling hard feelings"? Don't tar everyone with the same brush duder.

Damn, looks like I may have to get back into "unofficial" bootlegs. What a shame...

phentalmyst

Portnoy


Being I have the entire 25 year archive of every studio and live recording from 1985 to 2010 in my home, and being the band currently refuse to answer my emails or calls, I honestly cant see any upcoming releases...
 
 

it's been rumored for a few months that there's legal issues going on between you and DT. if that's the case, (again, i said rumored), i don't see how you would be so shocked when they aren't returning calls.

but MP still owns rights to the DT name and band and products, so as a business person he would need to contact his partners and make sure plans are still moving ahead for the business that is now DT.
 
MP has always informed his fans, and kept them in the loup.
Looks like DT's tight lipped nonsense is going to affect their business side of things as well.
 
More and more, I'm seeing some sad professionals decisions from DT since MP has been out of DT.
I feel like they are treating this too much like a business, and I feel this goes against how they've 'been' for the past 25 years.
 
Time really tells, that MP was the reason why Dream Theater had such a 'family' of fans, since he really did connect to the fans and keep them informed of stuff going on.
 
So far, all I see is MP still keeping busy and informing his fans of "What's soon to come" (giving us a great reason to be excited for his future projects).
DT, is only making us take their words on this one thing, and aren't doing much at keeping us around to want to care.
 
At this point, I'm caring less and less that DT keeps us fans so much in the dark. I'm not asking for the name of the new drummer, just let us know 'something', and now:"When the news comes out, you'll all freak".
THAT'S ALL THEY'VE BEEN SAYING, they are sounding like a broken record with nothing else exciting to tell. It as though,this new drummer IS the only exciting thing to look forward to on  this album......which I hope is not the case.
 
In the end, I care what MP is up to because it sounds interesting, exciting, and he is keeping us up to date with things to be excited for.
DT is that person you wait for a phone call from, who said really like you.....and they just keep you waiting.

GlassDream


but MP still owns rights to the DT name and band and products, so as a business person he would need to contact his partners and make sure plans are still moving ahead for the business that is now DT.

How do you know about that? I know MP's dad came up with the name...but other than that...?
But I myself have no idea who has which rights or anything.
I would assume, that this has never been discussed between the guys...at least before the split.

Araxes


This type of comments started a flame war on this forum a while ago. Although I respect your honesty with the fans, it kind of makes us takes sides... which is truly a sad thing. IMO, sometimes is better to left this information out from the public. 

That's not on Mike, that's on us to be adults and accept the information for what it is.  State of the state at this point in time. 
 
I will make this general observation, though:  in nearly 15 years of negotiating contracts and more importantly in resolving contractual disputes, I can count on one hand the number of times those disputes have been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties through lawyers alone (unless there is a HUGE power imbalance between the parties).  Or, more accurately, when resolved through lawyers alone, both parties invariably leave things on the table.  In my experience, the best resolutions come when the parties can establish direct dialogue.  That dialogue need not be face-to-face, and it need not be in person. Just like we keep being told we have to trust in DT and their lawyers to be doing the right thing (which is no given, IMO) I think we can trust Mike to be doing the same thing.  He knows those guys better than anyone here; if this is his olive branch or stick in the eye, it is his move to make.  Who knows?  Maybe a good flame war is what this impasse needs!  ;)

mercury


I would assume, that this has never been discussed between the guys...at least before the split.

I wouldn't assume that at all.  Not with one original member having already left, and two others come and gone. 

This seems eerily similar to the Pink Floyd Waters-vs-Gilmour scenario. The ole' who gets the rights to what.
 
As far as the Ytse releases, I hope Mike ends up with the rights to distribute down the road. He deserves every penny of revenue that they generate, being that it seems it's all his work & effort going into it from conception to taping to distributing. Sure the other 4 members performed, but MP did all the work to bring them to fruition. Just my 2 cents.

Shame on the DT guys for not answering your calls Mike.  
 
Hey Mike, since you have the 25 year archive, do you think DT might want to take that stuff from you? Or would you gladly share it?  After all, it is YOUR archive. 

I placed an order with Ytse Jam about 2 weeks ago.   Are these orders still shipping? 

This and the fact that Marco Minnemann isn't the drummer has pretty much driven the last bit of interest I've had in DT away. Mike seems to be knocking off projects like a mad man and its probably best for him creatively. 
 
I think its excellent that he has revised YMC! I hope he revisits Cygnus and the Sea Monsters and hits BB Kings in NYC. Its the one tribute band that never really got fully realized. Not sure I'd go with the same singer but either way it'd be great to see Mike and Paul really dig into the Rush catalog. I hope Mike and others agree!
 
 

There's always 2 sides to a story. So far we're just hearing Mike's. There is probably a reason we aren't hearing the other side. Hopefully we will someday. Actually I am REALLY interested to see what the other guys have to say...... maybe they are going with the ol' "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all....."

you know what, Mike is going to do fine the next while until he decides to get back with DT.
 
I'm excited for Mike.
 
That's all I'm concerned with at this point.

I guess the one positive thing about this is all of the money I'll be saving. I really enjoyed these though.

GlassDream


you know what, Mike is going to do fine the next while until he decides to get back with DT.

 
except he already tried that, and was turned down.

phentalmyst

GlassDream


you know what, Mike is going to do fine the next while until he decides to get back with DT.

except he already tried that, and was turned down.

aren't you just the cute little pessimist today.