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    spikelineus

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    Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:37 PM (permalink)
    Started doing Deadlifts again.
     
    Nice to see that my strength hasn't really gone down - surprising as I haven't done the lift for over a year. The one barrier for me is my grip when doing them. Either my hands will get too sweaty, or one of my fingers will lock up. Both of which are a bitch, but I'm doing my best to work around them. 
     
    Such a fantastic lift though. Probably second now to Squats for me 
     
    I stayed away from them for such a long time mainly due to lower back issues. 
     
    Pendlay Rows are a good substitute. Also extremely effective. 
     
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      Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:05 AM (permalink)
      Bit difficult to get into a routine due to pre-Christmas events and the arrival of the mother in law
       
      However, did get to the gym last night for a shorter session
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        Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:49 AM (permalink)
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        Bit difficult to get into a routine due to pre-Christmas events

         

         
        You're not training in the AM anymore?
         
        I'm using Christmas as a deadline. My gym is going to be shut no doubt for a few days over the festive holiday, and I'm trying to get into as good a shape I can before it closes. I'm also trying to be as disciplined as possible just so as if it does snow again, it doesn't matter if I miss a session here and there. 
         
        Then again, my training partner only lives around the corner from me, and he has a power rack in his garage. We are contemplating doing some festive Squats on Christmas morning, but we shall have to see 
         
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          Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:24 AM (permalink)
          No, since I moved job, I now train in the evening but it is harder to protect the time
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            Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:45 AM (permalink)
            Another evening session, went well
             
            And mixed it up a bit
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              Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 08, 2011 8:15 AM (permalink)
              I'm still working hard almost daily, working on Insanity at the moment. Day 8 I think. It's brutal.
               
              P90X2 is on it's way to my house, can't wait to punish myself even more.
               
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                Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Monday, December 12, 2011 4:47 PM (permalink)
                Ok sorry have been busy with a lot going on.
                 
                P90X:2 got to my house this past Saturday and I started Day 1 this morning!
                X2 Core! WOW, just freaking WOW! This thing quickly exposes you to new things and you quickly find out how good or bad your core muscles are and balance and everything. This workout kicked my butt and I loved every minute of it!!! Day 2 tomorrow is PLYOCIDE... yeah tomorrow is going to be absolute chaos and destruction!
                BRING IT!!!
                 
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                  Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:57 AM (permalink)
                  Bording the pain train for the next 2 weeks! The 2 reasons I'm doing this are: i) to increase my metabolism before Xmas so I could pig out :D ii) to get my butt ready for my P90X2 journey which starts on January 2nd.

                  During the next 2 weeks I'll be doing a hybrid of P90X, Insanity and Tony Horton's: 1 on 1 Series. Some of these workouts I've never done before so I'm a little scared.

                  Today's workout is Core Cardio & Balance and Cardio Abs. I also have bowling tonight! PS: Getting P90X2 today or tomorrow!! Ultimate kit baby!
                   
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                    Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:41 AM (permalink)
                    Yep I got the Ultimate kit on blu-ray :)
                     
                    Day 2 P90X:2 - PLYOCIDE - Oh man, what a SWEATFEST and it's just brutally awesome!!! My core soreness is starting to kick in slowly today from yesterday and this morning.
                    I am so loving this already! I can't wait to see what tomorrow holds as it's the 1st Recovery day! Tomorrow I believe is when it really focuses on the foam roller, or the knobby roller that I got with the Ultimate kit. BRING IT X2!
                    BRING IT!!!
                     
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                      Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:39 PM (permalink)
                      I did NOT want to workout this morning but I did!

                      Day 3 P90X:2 - Recovery/Mobility - Just what I needed! Some great stretching, some yoga moves and a lot of Foam Roller action! I felt A LOT better after doing this. Really enjoyed this one because I know tomorrow's workout is going to destroy me! LOL!
                       
                      BRING IT X2!!!
                      BRING IT!!!
                       
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                        Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:14 PM (permalink)
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                        I did NOT want to workout this morning but I did!




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                          Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:58 AM (permalink)
                          Not so bad last night at the gym
                           
                          Think Mrs Funky is becoming addicted
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                            Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:14 AM (permalink)
                            Starting up P90X as soon as I can, getting me some Powerblock adjustable dumbbells too, and also preparing to get my ass kicked by it.
                             
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                              Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:09 AM (permalink)
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                              Starting up P90X as soon as I can, getting me some Powerblock adjustable dumbbells too, and also preparing to get my ass kicked by it.

                               
                              You're going to love it man! I've been doing it on and off since January 2010.  Will it be your first time through it?
                               
                              I had Chest and Back yesterday as my prep for P90X2 continues. I used Tony Horton's PowerStands, which were awesome for all the pushups. I was finally able to do a wide fly pushup without the stupid pushup bars rolling on me.
                               
                              Tonight death is upon me, I'm doing my first ever MAX workout from the Insanity series, MAX Interval Circuit. If I don't post tomorrow, come and visit me @ my grave 
                               
                              I previewed X2 Core yesterday from P90X2, wow it looks friggin awesome, can't wait to start on Jan 2nd.
                               
                               
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                                Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:33 AM (permalink)
                                Iccurtep, if you need any assistance or have questions about P90X let me know! I've done it multiple times :)
                                 
                                Day 4 of P90X:2 - X2 Total Body and X2 Ab Ripper - Good freaking grief!!! Man I was completely wiped out after this. It is absolutely BRUTAL and the moves you are doing are intense and require a lot of balance too! Definitely modified at times! I also love the new pull up moves and how you can still use the resistance bands for them! I definitely needed my P90X Recovery drink this morning! My entire body is still on fire and will be super warm for hours, I love this feeling! I'm also still fairly sore from the entire week and I know I'll be probably even more sore tomorrow. Tomorrow will be my first time through X2 Yoga, can't wait to see what happens!
                                BRING IT!!!
                                 
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                                  Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:26 PM (permalink)
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                                  You're going to love it man! I've been doing it on and off since January 2010.  Will it be your first time through it?


                                  Yeah, it will be my first time through. I've never been big into working out really, but I'm not so out of shape that I can't do P90X. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and have seen people get some amazing results from it, so as soon as I can, I'm starting it up.
                                   
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                                    Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:56 PM (permalink)
                                    Did Hamstrings and Biceps this evening.
                                     
                                    Quads and Triceps in the AM!
                                     
                                    Going to be EPIC.
                                     
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                                      Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Friday, December 16, 2011 8:25 AM (permalink)
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                                      You're going to love it man! I've been doing it on and off since January 2010.  Will it be your first time through it?


                                      Yeah, it will be my first time through. I've never been big into working out really, but I'm not so out of shape that I can't do P90X. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and have seen people get some amazing results from it, so as soon as I can, I'm starting it up.

                                       
                                      I think you'll be a perfect candidate since that's how I was, didn't really workout but was still in decent shape. However P90X will be tough at first,  I suggest to preview each workouts at least once to know what to expect, to know what you're getting into. If you could only do let's say 5 pushups maybe you could do a few every few days as prep for P90X. It's up to you. When are you starting?
                                       
                                       
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                                        Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Friday, December 16, 2011 8:27 AM (permalink)
                                        I did MAX Interval Circuit yesterday from the Insanity series.. ok..... ok.... ok!!! wtf??? That was the craziest shit I've ever done. I never thought I could trip in my own pool of sweat and almost broke my face. Geebus!
                                         
                                        Shoulder & Arms tonight and bowling league tonight.
                                         
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                                          Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Friday, December 16, 2011 10:53 AM (permalink)
                                          LOL Progator! Yep, it's BRUTAL! Just wait til you see whats in Insanity Asylum. The WARM UP, yes I said WARM UP, is about as crazy as that workout you just did, freaking nuts!!!
                                           
                                          Day 5 P90X:2 - X2 YOGA - Ok this was AWESOME!!! It's only 65 mins compared to 90 in the original P90X. You will SWEAT even more in X2 Yoga! There is a single/double/triple one leg warrior 3 sequence that is absolutely crazy, intense and is where the sweat starts raining down! This was great from every aspect, length of the workout, balance, power, strength, stretching and of course Shavasana towards the end :)
                                           
                                          I am so loving P90X:2!!! BRING IT X2!!!
                                          BRING IT!!!
                                           
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                                            Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Friday, December 16, 2011 2:04 PM (permalink)
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                                            You're going to love it man! I've been doing it on and off since January 2010.  Will it be your first time through it?


                                            Yeah, it will be my first time through. I've never been big into working out really, but I'm not so out of shape that I can't do P90X. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and have seen people get some amazing results from it, so as soon as I can, I'm starting it up.


                                            I think you'll be a perfect candidate since that's how I was, didn't really workout but was still in decent shape. However P90X will be tough at first,  I suggest to preview each workouts at least once to know what to expect, to know what you're getting into. If you could only do let's say 5 pushups maybe you could do a few every few days as prep for P90X. It's up to you. When are you starting?



                                            I'm starting early January, and I'm really excited for it. I've found a few previews of the workouts, mostly of people doing progress vids. I've also done the Fit Test that they recommend before you try P90X, and the only thing that gave me trouble was the pullups, but I'm not letting that scare me away.
                                             
                                            I don't know if I'm going to follow the nutritional plan for it as I've got one of my own that I'd like to follow, but I could always switch over to theirs if I get tired of mine.
                                             
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                                              Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Friday, December 16, 2011 2:34 PM (permalink)
                                              Okay, so... my girlfriend is leaving to study abroad.  I see her one more time until June, and that's New Year's.  I have access to a 24/7 gym, have had it since late September.   I want to be in shape by the time she gets back!
                                               
                                              I've been going and doing a regular series of upper and lower body workouts.  For upper body, usually free weights -- bench press, rows, lateral raises, curls.  I've already noticed a big muscle increase in my arms and upper chest.  I do planks, curls, and use the ab machine for my midsection but don't know what else to do about that.  I also do 3 sets of 10 push-ups (unfortunately I've never been good at push-ups) and planks (left side, right side, front).  Lower body is usually a series of leg curls/extensions and glute exercises.
                                               
                                              I don't really know what to do beyond that though, I'll be honest!  I know I need variety so I'm not sure what else to do and how often to switch it up.  Lateral pull downs are always fun and tricep workouts?  Leg machine exercises?  There's so much to do that I don't know where to begin moving out of my comfort zone that I've been stuck with!
                                               
                                              I want to burn this stubborn extra belly fat and be in shape by the time she gets back, basically, haha.  I unfortunately have been lazy and haven't done the treadmill in a month or so -- I usually do 10-15 minutes of brisk walking, then 25-30 minutes of straight running.
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                                                Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Friday, December 16, 2011 6:15 PM (permalink)
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                                                Okay, so... my girlfriend is leaving to study abroad.  I see her one more time until June, and that's New Year's.  I have access to a 24/7 gym, have had it since late September.   I want to be in shape by the time she gets back!

                                                I've been going and doing a regular series of upper and lower body workouts.  For upper body, usually free weights -- bench press, rows, lateral raises, curls.  I've already noticed a big muscle increase in my arms and upper chest.  I do planks, curls, and use the ab machine for my midsection but don't know what else to do about that.  I also do 3 sets of 10 push-ups (unfortunately I've never been good at push-ups) and planks (left side, right side, front).  Lower body is usually a series of leg curls/extensions and glute exercises.

                                                I don't really know what to do beyond that though, I'll be honest!  I know I need variety so I'm not sure what else to do and how often to switch it up.  Lateral pull downs are always fun and tricep workouts?  Leg machine exercises?  There's so much to do that I don't know where to begin moving out of my comfort zone that I've been stuck with!

                                                I want to burn this stubborn extra belly fat and be in shape by the time she gets back, basically, haha.  I unfortunately have been lazy and haven't done the treadmill in a month or so -- I usually do 10-15 minutes of brisk walking, then 25-30 minutes of straight running.


                                                To put on muscle size and burn fat I would recommend that you concentrate on your big, compound lifts. I'm talking Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts and Clean Jerks. Just make sure that your form is correct - NEVER sacrifice technique for weight. There are plenty of decent tutorial videos on youtube. Make sure you achieve a full range of motion, warm up properly and listen to your body. 
                                                 
                                                A good way of splitting up your routine is working with a Push/Pull principle.
                                                 
                                                A Push session concentrates on movements that Push away from the centre of your body - Chest, Shoulders and Triceps. A Pull session then focuses on movements that pull towards the centre of your body - Back & Biceps. I highly recommend that you train Legs separately from your upper body. This way it is much easier to focus on Lower Body training. 
                                                 
                                                There you have it - 3 lifting sessions. Push could consist of:
                                                 
                                                Bench Press
                                                Clean & Jerk 
                                                Standing Tricep Cable Pushdowns
                                                 
                                                Pull could be:
                                                 
                                                Deadlifts
                                                Bent Over Barbell Row
                                                Standing Barbell Bicep Curls
                                                 
                                                And then for Legs:
                                                 
                                                SQUATS
                                                Leg Press/Leg Extensions
                                                Good Mornings
                                                Calf Raises
                                                 
                                                I wouldn't think about training your Core/Abs directly too much - the big compound lifts that I have mentioned (if done correctly) will help strengthen your core. Squats especially. In fact, I guarantee that once you have started getting into a decent squatting routine, you will notice a big increase in core strength. If you ARE going to hit your core directly, Leg Raises are the 'bread & butter' so to speak of core exercises. Any sort of variation. 
                                                 
                                                HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a great way to burn body fat. I like doing mine on the rowing machine - very brutal! I get bored too easily just running on a treadmill for 30 minutes! 
                                                 
                                                Hope this helps. 
                                                 
                                                Oh, and as far as the amount of sets that you do, and rep range - ALWAYS do a warm up set with a warm up weight. Maybe half of what you would normally lift. Get that blood flowing. Then maybe start off on 3-4 sets per exercise, aiming for 10 repetitions per set. Try not to rest for longer than 90 seconds between sets. 
                                                 
                                                Anyway I'm off to bed. Cheat day tomorrow and I can't wait 
                                                 
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                                                  Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:57 AM (permalink)
                                                  Iccurtep, good luck buddy, it's an amazing journey!!!
                                                   
                                                  P90X:2 Balance and Power - Wow, this one really hit me like a brick wall. Tony mentions that P90X:2 will expose all your weaknesses and he's not kidding! I've had to modify all week here and there but today? I had to modify pretty much everything! It really kicked my butt and showed me what I have to work on! But that's the beauty of this, it's going to really push me to get better! Loving this!
                                                   
                                                  BRING IT X2!!!
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                                                    Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:51 AM (permalink)
                                                    Rest day today!
                                                    BRING IT!!!
                                                     
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                                                      Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Monday, December 19, 2011 8:17 AM (permalink)
                                                      Week 2 Day 1 - P90X:2 X2 Core - Going all out this week now that I've had a week to learn the moves and form and where it's going. I was much more on pace and rep #'s wise than last week, definitely improving already. Love love LOVE this program!
                                                       
                                                      BRING IT X2!!! YEAH!!!
                                                      BRING IT!!!
                                                       
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                                                        Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Monday, December 26, 2011 4:42 PM (permalink)
                                                        Been about as sedentary as one can be these last few weeks. But I am using my time off work this week to get back into the gym - and more importantly - develop a plan for myself. I think my main issue is that I fail to lay out options and a specific plan for my activities, especially my diet. So that is my focus as I wind down the year without the distraction of work.
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                                                          Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Monday, December 26, 2011 7:59 PM (permalink)
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                                                          Week 2 Day 1 - P90X:2 X2 Core - Going all out this week now that I've had a week to learn the moves and form and where it's going. I was much more on pace and rep #'s wise than last week, definitely improving already. Love love LOVE this program!

                                                          BRING IT X2!!! YEAH!!!


                                                          How's this been for you now that you've done it for a few years?  Did you ever plateau or are you still knocking off the pounds?  
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                                                            Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:27 AM (permalink)
                                                            Nice little "starter" workout this morning.
                                                             
                                                            Warm up/stretch
                                                            Abs (my standard 5 exercises, 15 reps each)
                                                            Chest/Back/Arms/Shoulders (2 light sets per group)
                                                            20 minutes elliptical
                                                             
                                                            Working on my plan today and planning to hit the gym each morning for the rest of the week. I just need to turn these "plans" into "actions".
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                                                              Week 2 Day 1 - P90X:2 X2 Core - Going all out this week now that I've had a week to learn the moves and form and where it's going. I was much more on pace and rep #'s wise than last week, definitely improving already. Love love LOVE this program!

                                                              BRING IT X2!!! YEAH!!!


                                                              How's this been for you now that you've done it for a few years?  Did you ever plateau or are you still knocking off the pounds?  


                                                              I would be knocking off lbs a lot faster if I could keep my eating together a lot more often which has become an even bigger focus now for me than ever before.
                                                               
                                                              P90X changed my life mentally and physically. You could do that program forever and get results if you push harder each time. I know someone who has actually done that program 19 times. I never plateau'd and neither did they.
                                                               
                                                              I've also done Insanity and Insanity Asylum and some of the TurboFire HIIT workouts sprinkled in.
                                                               
                                                              I'm on P90X:2 now. I started 2 weeks ago, got sick last week and let Christmas get in the way so I restarted P90X:2 this morning. I'm going for max results and really trying to keep my eating rock solid the entire way through. between now and summer 2012 I hope to be extremely close to one of my major milestones of hitting 100 lbs gone and more. Supposedly a healthy weight for me is low 140's. When I hit 160, I will have officially lost half of what I used to weigh. I'll be celebrating big time when I hit the 100 lbs gone mark and then shooting for the 160 mark.
                                                              BRING IT!!!
                                                               
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                                                                Re:The Get in Shape, Eat Healthy, Better Yourself, Stay Positive, etc... 2011 Thread!!! :) Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:20 PM (permalink)
                                                                Totally minor compared to some of you beasts in this thread, but just finished a 5k. I had posted months ago that my legs instantly cramped up and had sharp pains after about half a mile, which had me freaked out, so being able to complete even just a 5k with no pain is a pretty big deal. A few weeks of non-running (other types of exercises took its place, but I enjoy running the most) was what it took. My time wasn't great as I was trying to keep a solid pace the whole race but apparently was too conservative compared to what I thought I was running (I was about 2.5 minutes behind what I thought I should've been finishing, and wasn't as tired as I was hoping I'd be, since I was doing it for exercise as well), but I'm still pretty excited I was able to do it with no pain! Now it's time to go to work and improve my times, and knock out a 10k in a few months! Never thought I would be considering running 3.1 miles such an accomplishment, but as of right now, I will definitely take it!
                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                                (Oh and I live in Denver. It is December 31. In Denver. Race started at 5pm, which is dusk. Cooooooooooooooooooooooold.)
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