"LOST" Season SIX/LAST season discussion (spoilers)

this show has ALOT i mean ALOT! of mysteries, i wonder how the writers gonna finish this shit, no offense, i loved the show when it started, but as the show goes on, too many mysteries popping up, and i got tired of it

That episode was odd. It's not that it seemed like a filler episode or that the temple scenes were eh. The problem is that the characters Kate and Claire (their presence) seem like filler. Kate hasn't had any decent involvement in the story in the last 2 seasons.

If she were seriously following Claire, why would she follow Sawyer? Why isn't she looking for her?

I dunno. Just seems to be the worst episode since mid season 4.

lukelukeluke


this show has ALOT i mean ALOT! of mysteries, i wonder how the writers gonna finish this shit, no offense, i loved the show when it started, but as the show goes on, too many mysteries popping up, and i got tired of it

We are on the same boat man.
It's season 6 for god sake! it's time for some bloody answers already!

I think we are going to see that not burying bodies has alot to do with who gets this "sickness".  Only the unburied bodies(Christian, Sayid, Claire(if she died during the house explosion)) seem to be having this problem.

It's pretty much clear to me that a lot of mysteries will be left unsolved. With 14 episodes to go, and the writers still adding new characters, it seems impossible to round the whole thing together.

The first episodes of this season have been mediocre at best (IMO of course).

Araxes


It's pretty much clear to me that a lot of mysteries will be left unsolved. With 14 episodes to go, and the writers still adding new characters, it seems impossible to round the whole thing together.

The first episodes of this season have been mediocre at best (IMO of course).

If you label it as mediocre, you're probably like the rest of the fans who want quick answers and everything spoon-fed.
It's all foreshadowing and plot building, give it time and everything will make sense.

Araxes


It's pretty much clear to me that a lot of mysteries will be left unsolved. With 14 episodes to go, and the writers still adding new characters, it seems impossible to round the whole thing together.

The first episodes of this season have been mediocre at best (IMO of course).

No question that only the most glaring questions will be answered, and that's going to be half the fun is learning which questions the writers/producers deemed worthy of revelation. First 2 episodes met my expectations but this last episode was a downer filled with some useless blah (IMO). However I have faith that this final season will be full of more homeruns than strikeouts, or at least that is what I am hoping for. My ultimate disappointment will come if they waste a flash sideways episode Bernard and Rose. Cute couple and all and they have played thier part well but if any time at all is wasted on them I will find that pill that Jack tried to swallow and ingest it. It falls in line with what Saintsmaen said, Kate is a cool character and all but she hasn't been involved in the story to the extent of Jack/Sawyer/Ben/Locke or even Hurley, Jin and Miles latlely, so while I understand that she is a 'main' character and they feel obligated to continue to tie her into episodes give me more of the meat and potatoes and let some of these underling characters fall to the wayside....Please.

Yup I'm with a few here as well. I love the show, probably my favorite in years, but I would hope they start churning out some answers very soon. I personally hope they don't cram a shitload of answers in the last two episodes as there are just so many questions left unanswered and seriously that would be overwhelming. And as much as I love the show, knowing this is the last season with about 14 episodes left (I think) the new questions are slightly getting frustrating however I have faith that the writers will do a good job tying as much as possible together and answering most of the questions.

On a side note I wonder how much Aaron means to this entire story. Didn't a fortune teller tell Desmond that if Aaron wasn't raised by Claire that basically the world would end or be fucked?

Odaroo

Araxes


It's pretty much clear to me that a lot of mysteries will be left unsolved. With 14 episodes to go, and the writers still adding new characters, it seems impossible to round the whole thing together.

The first episodes of this season have been mediocre at best (IMO of course).

If you label it as mediocre, you're probably like the rest of the fans who want quick answers and everything spoon-fed.
It's all foreshadowing and plot building, give it time and everything will make sense.

On the contrary, I've been watching the show since it started, if I wanted quick answers I would have left the show a long time ago. My main concern is - like gmillerdrake puts it - the amount of unnecessary screen time to dialog lines that doesn't go anywhere, to characters that are secondary at best, or to story lines that are not quite interesting.
 
I hope that this decision of concentrating half the show time in flash sideways will be compensated in the end, cause it would be a major fail if it doesn't.

Agree 100% w/Araxes.  I think anyone who has stuck w/the show this entire time has proven themselves very patient.  However, there are roughly 15 episodes left.  It's time for answers, not new characters, settings, and timelines.  Start answering some of the damn questions already!  The worst thing this show could do is leave a ton of stuff unanswered.  The next-worst thing is stuff all the answers into the last episode.  You make every episode more valuable by putting a few answers in each.

What would you all consider essential answers to be revealed? I would say:

- What is the island exactly, it's significance
- Origins of Jacob/MIB and their relationship/rivalry
- The voices, what are they?
- Obviously how the smoke monster works, what is it considered?

Those are just a couple that I could recall quickly. What are some you guys want answered?

(Hopefully this could be an excersie that helps jog some old information about the show that has been misplaced by my brain)

For anyone who doesn't already, I would recommend listening to the Official Lost Podcast, which you can download on iTunes. It's put on by Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, and almost every week they offer up little bits about the show that you may not have caught otherwise.

The Numbers by far most of all.  The Islands history and significance and why the Losties were "brought" there, what is their signifacance to The Island.  Jacob/MIB too.  But most of all I want to see the resoultions to the characters and how it ends for them rather than the mythology, even though it's the mythology what I focus on most.

I know this post is half on half off topic but I just have to say....

I have tried recently to watch a bunch of episodes of lost... and I think you Lost fans deserve an award of some type. I dont consider myself a simpleton when it comes to storylines and television but it is HARD to watch. I think my brain started hurting from the stress. It "looks" like an awesome show and after digging through this thread I'll assume that it is.

Toooo rich for me though.

i kind of see where people are coming from about not liking kate... but how can anyone say she's not important?  because she's not a mysterious leader of the others, she doesnt have super powers, and she hasnt been mysteriously resurrected?  her, sawyer, jack, jin, and sun are really the only characters that were in the original crash that are still alive and arent semi-supernatural.  thats why people are bored with her.  i really care about kate still.  in fact, she's been extremely important in the series the entire time. 

i think too many people treat this show as a sci-fi mystery story about an island, that happens to have people on it.  the way i see it, and from interviews the way i see damon and carlton treat it, is a story about people that happen to be on an island.  most of these episodes are about the characters lives and interactions, with some cool sci-fi mystery thrown in.  and like Araxes said, this show has always been about drawing out the answers.  we've gotten sooooo many over the course of the series.  

just let the season play out.  these characters still need their stories tied up.  no way is sawyer's story going to end with juliet dying in a tunnel in the last episode of season five, and then when we get to season six the first episode is:

"Christian": So jack.  guess what.  the island is (explains the whole show).
Jack: oh.

Darlton still want to tell stories.  they still want to show real acting and real characters and not just four toed statues and smoke monsters.

Rad_Drummer


I think we are going to see that not burying bodies has alot to do with who gets this "sickness".  Only the unburied bodies(Christian, Sayid, Claire(if she died during the house explosion)) seem to be having this problem.

Sayid was dead for MAYBE an hour before he came back to life.  A whole lot of other characters were dead for a long time and no one buried them (like the three other 815 survivors who died when new otherton was attacked by keamy).  Look at all the other people that died when the plane crashed that didnt come back to life with "the sickness".  there were over 300 people on that plane, and only 48 survived.  

gmillerdrake


What would you all consider essential answers to be revealed? I would say:

- What is the island exactly, it's significance
- Origins of Jacob/MIB and their relationship/rivalry
- The voices, what are they?
- Obviously how the smoke monster works, what is it considered?

Those are just a couple that I could recall quickly. What are some you guys want answered?

(Hopefully this could be an excersie that helps jog some old information about the show that has been misplaced by my brain)

I'd like to know the origins of the Others (Richard, Ben, Widmore, the Temple crew).  Apparently we're getting a Richard-centric episode soon, but i'm 99% sure it's just going to raise more questions.

Hwangman

 Apparently we're getting a Richard-centric episode soon, but i'm 99% sure it's just going to raise more questions.

where did you hear this? one of the writers' podcasts?  don't wanna know any details...tho that will be the episode i've waited for, for like 3 damn yrs! Why did MIB beat up Rick anyway?  Afraid he knew how to stop him?  Then, Richard had to know, after seeing the flair, Jacob was dead, and saw Locke walk out...but told everyone to not shoot, but obviously bullets don't work as seen in the Foot Temple.

Ok, I just came up with yet another theory based upon several things I have been reading about characters.

I think that there are two Jacob's. Either a past, present, or future. I have this strange notion that it's Jacob that's using Locke's body. Due to time travel and Faraday's theory of it..."You cannot change the past" "What's done is done" So Jacob could be doing all these things to change the future... Perhaps he figured out what MIB's loophole was before he did...What was it, the universe has a way of course correcting. Everything that we have seen so far could be someone's future but, it's the past...or is it. 

One last thing. It just came to me and some of it makes a little sense. Check out the old nursery rhymes "The house that Jack Built" and  "A space child's Mother Goose". 

I really just wanted to post some of these theories in case I am right. That way I can back it up later if need be.

dfrantz

Hwangman

Apparently we're getting a Richard-centric episode soon, but i'm 99% sure it's just going to raise more questions.

where did you hear this? one of the writers' podcasts?  don't wanna know any details...tho that will be the episode i've waited for, for like 3 damn yrs! Why did MIB beat up Rick anyway?  Afraid he knew how to stop him?  Then, Richard had to know, after seeing the flair, Jacob was dead, and saw Locke walk out...but told everyone to not shoot, but obviously bullets don't work as seen in the Foot Temple.

I wonder if a Richard-centric episode will also have flash-sideways?  

^ Never tought of that, that would be so cool.

But we don't know when he was born, so it could be anytime in history.

goncalo_viola


But we don't know when he was born, so it could be anytime in history.

Wouldn't his flash sideways begin when the bomb was detonated? Everything up to that point would have been the same for him, how he arrived on the island, living with the others and so on. His timeline would  beginto change the moment the bomb was set off. So maybe that would show how the island appears to have 'sunk' or something along those lines. But any flash sideways with Richard wouldn't reveal an alternate past because it should be the same, shouldn't it?

Hmm, maybe you're right. But in this show you never know.

dfrantz

Hwangman

Apparently we're getting a Richard-centric episode soon, but i'm 99% sure it's just going to raise more questions.

where did you hear this? one of the writers' podcasts?  don't wanna know any details...tho that will be the episode i've waited for, for like 3 damn yrs! Why did MIB beat up Rick anyway?  Afraid he knew how to stop him?  Then, Richard had to know, after seeing the flair, Jacob was dead, and saw Locke walk out...but told everyone to not shoot, but obviously bullets don't work as seen in the Foot Temple.

It's been mentioned on spoiler forums.  It's set for the 9th episode and will be called "Ab Aeterno."  A Black Rock set has been built, so i can only assume there's gonna be a lot of flashback scenes regarding Richard's origin.

Hwangman

dfrantz

Hwangman

Apparently we're getting a Richard-centric episode soon, but i'm 99% sure it's just going to raise more questions.

where did you hear this? one of the writers' podcasts?  don't wanna know any details...tho that will be the episode i've waited for, for like 3 damn yrs! Why did MIB beat up Rick anyway?  Afraid he knew how to stop him?  Then, Richard had to know, after seeing the flair, Jacob was dead, and saw Locke walk out...but told everyone to not shoot, but obviously bullets don't work as seen in the Foot Temple.

It's been mentioned on spoiler forums.  It's set for the 9th episode and will be called "Ab Aeterno."  A Black Rock set has been built, so i can only assume there's gonna be a lot of flashback scenes regarding Richard's origin.

Awesome!!!

Hwangman


It's been mentioned on spoiler forums.  It's set for the 9th episode and will be called "Ab Aeterno." 

Hmm, according to the intarweb Ab Aeterno = since the beginning of time. Should be an interesting episode!

Man, reading spoilers RUINS this show.

I used to do it for Season 5, and found none of the episodes to be that great, since I already knew who'd be showing up in the episode and that took most of the surprise away. This season I'm going spoiler free, and I already loved the first two episodes of this season just as much as I was in awe and love with Season 1. I think it's really a return to form on the emotional/character level, and the acting of Sawyer in this last episode was just amazing! I agree with Rocketsauce above completely, it's a character driven show primarily, Season 5 just kind of broke away from this and was more mythology based, now we're getting a return to focus on the people and their lives. I have no expectations anymore, I'm just staying spoiler free to avoid tarnishing the experiencing and going along for the ride.

Rad_Drummer

I think we are going to see that not burying bodies has alot to do with who gets this "sickness".  Only the unburied bodies(Christian, Sayid, Claire(if she died during the house explosion)) seem to be having this problem.

Goodwin was left dead on a hillside impaled on a stick and stayed there for quite some time.  We never saw him become reanimated.
 
 

BigBrainBrad

I have this strange notion that it's Jacob that's using Locke's body.

Nope.   It's the "man in black."   Jacob told Hurley that he was killed by an old friend that grew tired of his company.  That's a pretty solid clue. 
 
 

EVERYBODY


Start answering questions

How about....  
Q: What is the smoke monster?  You know, that thing we've been seeing/hearing since Season 1/Episode 1 that was ripping down trees and killed the pilot?
A: It's some sort of manifestation of this seemingly evil "nemesis" of Jacob.
 
Q: Where's Claire?
A: She's been surviving in the jungle for the past 3 years, apparently possessed by some kind of dark force.
 
...and I don't regard meeting the temple people as "intoducing new characters"   We've all known that the temple has existed for some time now.  This in itself was a big reveal.
 
...and regarding some of the other "mysteries" of the Others... look, they're obviously some kind of special or chosen human beings.  This has been alluded to many times: (Ben, to Alex, "The temple is not FOR them")  (Richard, to Kate etc, "(Ben) will always be one of US" )    They seem to have special powers and don't leave tracks, and sometimes you hear whispers before they appear.   Are you really expecting to see an episode where Ben or Jacob or the new Japanese guy steps on a platform and says "Hello.  We are The ______.   "The Others" is just a nickname that's been given to us.  We are very different from the rest of you folks and here's precisely why"   Cause that would suck.   A wise man once said "better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret" 

A Change of Stevens


...and I don't regard meeting the temple people as "intoducing new characters"

I do.  Sure, we knew the Temple was around, and that Others lived there, but the writers have gone out of their way to introduce Lennon and Dogen, make them interact w/the main characters, and give them significant screen time in the first 3 episodes of the season.  I think that warrants some explanation.  Lennon and Dogen obviously know a hell of a lot about how everything works, so i'd like them to actually start answering questions instead of talking cryptically or simply not talking at all.
 

A Change of Stevens

...and regarding some of the other "mysteries" of the Others... look, they're obviously some kind of special or chosen human beings.  This has been alluded to many times: (Ben, to Alex, "The temple is not FOR them")  (Richard, to Kate etc, "(Ben) will always be one of US" )    They seem to have special powers and don't leave tracks, and sometimes you hear whispers before they appear.   Are you really expecting to see an episode where Ben or Jacob or the new Japanese guy steps on a platform and says "Hello.  We are The ______.   "The Others" is just a nickname that's been given to us.  We are very different from the rest of you folks and here's precisely why"   Cause that would suck.   A wise man once said "better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret" 

I don't want a cheesy speech given by Ben on a podium.  I do want answers.  They don't have to rush it...they've certainly taken their sweet time over the last 5 seasons.  Since the beginning, the Others have been a mystery.  It's time we learned why they're all so special, how they got to the island, what the hierarchy is, etc.  That's not cheapening the show in any way.  The Others are always going to be interesting.  However, it changes from interesting to frustrating if we don't get any substantial/real answers (not just, "we came here the same as you did").

If they gave away all the answers that fast the season would last 5 episodes...

Stop whining about it.

goncalo_viola


If they gave away all the answers that fast the season would last 5 episodes...

Stop whining about it.

I don't think anyone has really whined about it. For me it's a matter of there have already been 3 episodes in this final season and those 3 episodes have created more questions than revelation of existing ones. This, in a season that has been touted as answering a multitude of questions. The people that produce this show are very intelligent and I am sure the master plan and how the series concludes is going to leave the majority of us satisfied, it's more of a case right now of how and the heck are they going to pull this off already down 3 episodes? It is actually a bit exciting because I would assume that the coming episodes will just have that much more substance in them. I anxiously await.........

goncalo_viola


If they gave away all the answers that fast the season would last 5 episodes...

Stop whining about it.

so why don't make it 5 episodes long then?

 

Start answering questions

How about....  
Q: What is the smoke monster?  You know, that thing we've been seeing/hearing since Season 1/Episode 1 that was ripping down trees and killed the pilot?
A: It's some sort of manifestation of this seemingly evil "nemesis" of Jacob.

 


i think the smoke is the same as MIB, remeber in the first episode he says to ben "sorry you see me like that"

In regards to answers, what I don't want to see is exactly what happened with BSG.  The episode 'No Exit' saw one of the characters basically give a monologue with a bunch of answers everyone had wanted for 4 seasons.  It answered the questions but it was boring as hell.  I'd much rather the answers come out naturally in the episodes instead of a character sitting down and saying "ok, here's the deal...".

Everyone  has good points about the show needing to answer questions and not create new mysteries, but lets be real guys we have alot of this season left, and they can answer questions with a 3 minute clip of an episode.

We have to keep in mind that our questions will be answered, and enjoy the ride.

HectorRodriguez


 

Start answering questions

How about....  
Q: What is the smoke monster?  You know, that thing we've been seeing/hearing since Season 1/Episode 1 that was ripping down trees and killed the pilot?
A: It's some sort of manifestation of this seemingly evil "nemesis" of Jacob.

i think the smoke is the same as MIB, remeber in the first episode he says to ben "sorry you see me like that"

 Yes, of course!  No mystery there.  Jacob's Nemesis = Man In Black.   Same thing.  He doesn't have a name yet, so he has several nicknames.
 
Just so we're all on the same page:  The guy at the beginning of the last episode in Season 5 that was dressed in black, made it clear that he is an enemy (nemesis) of Jacob by saying that he wanted to kill him.  So he somehow was able to come to life in the form of John Locke who then turned into the black smoke when he was shot at.   I don't think the writers/producers could have made that any clearer. 

So, Claire's sickness is the one that affected Rousseau's men. Apparently spread by the Smoke Monster. Don't know what happens to the infected, though. And Sawyer pulled it out just great. 

Cool episode. 

A Change of Stevens

Rad_Drummer

I think we are going to see that not burying bodies has alot to do with who gets this "sickness".  Only the unburied bodies(Christian, Sayid, Claire(if she died during the house explosion)) seem to be having this problem.

Goodwin was left dead on a hillside impaled on a stick and stayed there for quite some time.  We never saw him become reanimated.
 
 

BigBrainBrad

I have this strange notion that it's Jacob that's using Locke's body.

Nope.   It's the "man in black."   Jacob told Hurley that he was killed by an old friend that grew tired of his company.  That's a pretty solid clue. 
 
 

EVERYBODY


Start answering questions

How about....  
Q: What is the smoke monster?  You know, that thing we've been seeing/hearing since Season 1/Episode 1 that was ripping down trees and killed the pilot?
A: It's some sort of manifestation of this seemingly evil "nemesis" of Jacob.
 
Q: Where's Claire?
A: She's been surviving in the jungle for the past 3 years, apparently possessed by some kind of dark force.
 
...and I don't regard meeting the temple people as "intoducing new characters"   We've all known that the temple has existed for some time now.  This in itself was a big reveal.
 
...and regarding some of the other "mysteries" of the Others... look, they're obviously some kind of special or chosen human beings.  This has been alluded to many times: (Ben, to Alex, "The temple is not FOR them")  (Richard, to Kate etc, "(Ben) will always be one of US" )    They seem to have special powers and don't leave tracks, and sometimes you hear whispers before they appear.   Are you really expecting to see an episode where Ben or Jacob or the new Japanese guy steps on a platform and says "Hello.  We are The ______.   "The Others" is just a nickname that's been given to us.  We are very different from the rest of you folks and here's precisely why"   Cause that would suck.   A wise man once said "better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret" 

Not to try and argue my theory but, I still think it's a possibility. Just because Jacob said that to Hurley doesn't mean that its true. He could have said that on purpose to deceive Hurley into thinking that.  We see Ben kill Jacob. Jacob said a friend killed him that grew tired of his company. Why couldn't that be Ben. Ben did get frustrated with him. I'm probably completely wrong but it's worth the thought. 

Also, Sayid says that he will have sold his soul the day that he trusts Ben. Was that foreshadowing or did he end up selling his soul so something?

How could Jacob consider Ben a friend if they never met?