"LOST" Season SIX/LAST season discussion (spoilers)

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Can somebody please tell me what the year was at the beginning of the episode?
I turned away for a second and completely missed that one key moment.

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I loved this episode.

Not much was questioned or answered, but it was good to see how Richard came to the island and what his life was like before.

Cool to see how the statue came down to a foot, literally.

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Damn good episode tonight! 

Anybody catch the bit about the Man in Black saying that Jacob took his body?  Or was that just typical MiB bullshit? 

That was the same knife (I think) that Dogen gave Sayid to try and kill MiB.   Love how important Hurley has become.... 

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Wow, what a tour de force performance from Nestor Carbonell.   During his last scene with Hurley I had tears in my eyes I swear to god.   I hope they submit this one for an emmy nomination.

Im sure it was MiB bullshit.

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Not much answered? How about being in hell (according to who you believe)? And the wine holder explanation by Jacob about evil. And how the black rock got here? I'd say a pretty big answer moment for the series. :)

Maybe I was not paying attention, but what is the deal that still stands between Richard and MIB that Richard changed his mind about?

Okay, stuff was answered.... :P

but if its Hell, then whats the point of the show if they are all dead, then the fact they left "hell" only to come back to "hell" makes no sense to me... but yeah... the black rock in the jungle, I can't believe we didn't think tidal wave, LOL!

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Not much answered? How about being in hell (according to who you believe)? And the wine holder explanation by Jacob about evil. And how the black rock got here? I'd say a pretty big answer moment for the series. :)

Maybe I was not paying attention, but what is the deal that still stands between Richard and MIB that Richard changed his mind about?

About seeing his wife again. 
 
Awesome episode!!!  Loved the back story on Richard.  I believe that MIB is evil not the devil per say and Jacob is a prison gaurd making sure he stays on the island. 
 
And because MIB is always trying to prove Jacob wrong and kill him thats why Jacob brings people to the island.  My guess is Jack is the new Jacob, Hurley the new Richard or possibly Jacob.  Locke is who he is...MIB.
 
Can't believe there are only 7 episodes left.

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First half of the show entirely in spanish.
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*Fixed...
at least from what I've watched!

My apologies... I ASSumed it was portuguese.

With the way this season's been going, it seems that MiB is going to be proven wrong and everyone is going to do the right thing.  I don't know what that means as to what will happen then, but maybe it's their ticket to the flash-sideways life?

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Okay, stuff was answered.... :P

but if its Hell, then whats the point of the show if they are all dead, then the fact they left "hell" only to come back to "hell" makes no sense to me... but yeah... the black rock in the jungle, I can't believe we didn't think tidal wave, LOL!

I don't think it's really hell.  That was just Richard venting because of his despair and frustration with Jacob.  They showed when he first came to the island, he believed he was dead and he was in hell.  And when he asked Jacob if it was hell, he said no it wasn't.  Now in his frustration, he feels everything Jacob told him was a lie, including the first thing he ever told him, which is that you aren't dead and this isn't hell.

I also think the writers wrote in that way to purposely tease the audience since that was theory people have had in the past. 

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Okay, stuff was answered.... :P

but if its Hell, then whats the point of the show if they are all dead, then the fact they left "hell" only to come back to "hell" makes no sense to me... but yeah... the black rock in the jungle, I can't believe we didn't think tidal wave, LOL!

I don't think it's really hell.  That was just Richard venting because of his despair and frustration with Jacob.  They showed when he first came to the island, he believed he was dead and he was in hell.  And when he asked Jacob if it was hell, he said no it wasn't.  Now in his frustration, he feels everything Jacob told him was a lie, including the first thing he ever told him, which is that you aren't dead and this isn't hell.

I also think the writers wrote in that way to purposely tease the audience since that was theory people have had in the past. 

I think if it was really the truth, they wouldn't have made it so discreet. It seemed like if someone was paying half attention they wouldn't have heard Richard say that. I don't think it's hell either, but I really don't know what it is. I thought it was a good episode though.

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Not much answered? How about being in hell (according to who you believe)? And the wine holder explanation by Jacob about evil. And how the black rock got here? I'd say a pretty big answer moment for the series. :)

Maybe I was not paying attention, but what is the deal that still stands between Richard and MIB that Richard changed his mind about?

About seeing his wife again. 
 
Awesome episode!!!  Loved the back story on Richard.  I believe that MIB is evil not the devil per say and Jacob is a prison gaurd making sure he stays on the island. 
 
And because MIB is always trying to prove Jacob wrong and kill him thats why Jacob brings people to the island.  My guess is Jack is the new Jacob, Hurley the new Richard or possibly Jacob.  Locke is who he is...MIB.
 
Can't believe there are only 7 episodes left.

why do people keep saying that? there are 9 episodes left. not 7. 7 until the series finale which is two more episodes.

tjanuranus

why do people keep saying that? there are 9 episodes left. not 7. 7 until the series finale which is two more episodes.

As far as episode numbering goes you're right but they are considering 16/17/18 to be one big 3 hour finale which makes it 7 episodes left. 

tjanuranus

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Not much answered? How about being in hell (according to who you believe)? And the wine holder explanation by Jacob about evil. And how the black rock got here? I'd say a pretty big answer moment for the series. :)

Maybe I was not paying attention, but what is the deal that still stands between Richard and MIB that Richard changed his mind about?

About seeing his wife again. 

Awesome episode!!!  Loved the back story on Richard.  I believe that MIB is evil not the devil per say and Jacob is a prison gaurd making sure he stays on the island. 

And because MIB is always trying to prove Jacob wrong and kill him thats why Jacob brings people to the island.  My guess is Jack is the new Jacob, Hurley the new Richard or possibly Jacob.  Locke is who he is...MIB.

Can't believe there are only 7 episodes left.

why do people keep saying that? there are 9 episodes left. not 7. 7 until the series finale which is two more episodes.

WARNING : LINK CONTAINS ALL REMAINING EPISODE TITLES ~W~

http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/episode.html?season=6&tag=list_header;paginator;6

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It was originally intended to include 16 episodes. Due to the 2007 WGA strike and producer requests, it will now comprise 18 produced hours in 16 broadcasts with the first and last episodes being 2 hours long. 
we have watched 9 episodes so far so that leaves 9 more.


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Here is my point of view on tonights episode.

-Island referred to as a cork. The island is what stops the evil escaping. This could mean, with the bible references, the island is the blockage between earth and hell. It stops the evil escaping from hell. 

-I still don't see Jacob&MIB as good and bad respectfully. I am unsure as to what side each person is really on. That being said, if MIB is the "Devil" figure, he is using temptation, persuasion and more on Richard and everyone. Referring to Satan as a serpent tempting Adam and Eve.

-The spot where Richard dug the cross necklace into the ground could very well be the Adam and Even, Tree of Knowledge. They panned back several times acknowledging the enormous tree. This is the spot where Richard decided to take temptation to the other side, as did Adam and Eve.

-Could the island be the Garden of Eden, especially with the Adam and Eve bones in the cave.

I'm sure I have more, just can't think of anymore.

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The island could be the garden of Eden or something like it. People have only speculated where it could have been but, no one has ever found it. I can't remember what was written about what happened to it. Someone go back to the scene with the bodies in the cave and look for a missing rib. :)

Very awesome episode. The backstory of Richard was really good. Most of the scenes with Jacob and MIB are a bit confusing though. Them using Hell could be a metaphor for a place like Hell because it sucks and stuff. Isn't Hades the mythological place like Hell? Could be something like the Chinese hells since they have a lot of hells according to Wang in Big Trouble in Little China. Or was it that other guy in the same movie, can't remember his name. 

Anyway, it's too easy to speculate to much based on what we have seen but there has to be a good reason for having Widmore, Hawking, Desmond, Daniel and whomever else to help tie things together. I can't figure out why Ben and Widmore can't kill each other like Jacob and MIB. 

Two questions for now. Why does MIB have to use Lockes body anyway?? Are the candidates really Jacobs or MIB's or both? MIB keeps going after the same people that had numbers. Based on the previews Sun is next. 

I have a feeling Sawyer will sacrifice himself to save someone toward the end of the series. Probably in the finale. There's nothing waiting for him back home.

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Not much answered? How about being in hell (according to who you believe)? And the wine holder explanation by Jacob about evil. And how the black rock got here? I'd say a pretty big answer moment for the series. :)

Maybe I was not paying attention, but what is the deal that still stands between Richard and MIB that Richard changed his mind about?

About seeing his wife again. 

Awesome episode!!!  Loved the back story on Richard.  I believe that MIB is evil not the devil per say and Jacob is a prison gaurd making sure he stays on the island. 

And because MIB is always trying to prove Jacob wrong and kill him thats why Jacob brings people to the island.  My guess is Jack is the new Jacob, Hurley the new Richard or possibly Jacob.  Locke is who he is...MIB.

Can't believe there are only 7 episodes left.

why do people keep saying that? there are 9 episodes left. not 7. 7 until the series finale which is two more episodes.

http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/episode.html?season=6&tag=list_header;paginator;6

MAN i really wish you had posted some sort of spoiler warning about the fact that thats a list of most of the remaining episode titles.

the fact that this thread is listed as "(spoiliers)" is talking about stuff thats already aired, not stuff that hasnt aired yet.

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MAN i really wish you had posted some sort of spoiler warning about the fact that thats a list of most of the remaining episode titles.

I'm going to fix that. Right now.
Damn you Zoso.
Damn you straight to The Island!!

BEST EPISODE OF ENTIRE SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic episode last night.  One of the best of the entire series and in my opinion they finally answered one of the biggest questions all(what is the island?).
There was a ton of info to take in but here is some stuff off the top of my mind:
I found it very interesting that Dogen told Sayid that he had to stab the MIB/Locke before he even said one word and in this episode MIB told Richard the same thing only it was about killing Jacob.  To top that all off, Jacob immediately started fighting Richard while in last years finale, Jacob first spoke to Ben, yet Ben was able to stab him while Jacob didn't put up any sort of fight. 
With MIB stealing other peoples bodies, I thought it was interesting that MIB said that Jacob stole his body.
We still don't have MIB's name.
I like the Garden of Eden stuff mentioned earlier in this thread and while it has been a popular theory over the past few years, I think this episode gave it a little more validity. 

I' ve a suggestion to keep you all occupied. Learn to swim.

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MAN i really wish you had posted some sort of spoiler warning about the fact that thats a list of most of the remaining episode titles.

I'm going to fix that. Right now.
Damn you Zoso.
Damn you straight to The Island!!

Shame on me 
Titles don't say that much though.

Carpe Diem !

Richard's spanish was way better than Hurley's! But it was still too central american to pass as someone from Spain. It was distracting the first minute, but then the awesomeness of the episode prevailed and i didn't even notice it.
What a mindfuck. 

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Great episode! I like the way they did answer some questions without really answering them. Unless they completely turn things on thier head in the remaining episodes I am going to feel comfortable assuming that Jacob really does represent "good" and the MIB "evil" and will subscribe to Jacobs wine glass analogy he gave to Richard about what the island is.
  Thanks to a corrupt priest, evil entity and the confused mind of Richard he may have believed he was in hell, but I do not think that it will turn out to be that simple. I like the way Yanke108 was thinking in that the island is the gateway in or out of hell through earth. The only thing that I am a bit confused on (if the writers ar sticking to a Biblical theme) is that how the evil is confined to that island. When God cast Satan out of heaven Satan was given dominion over all of earth, the physical realm that is, and he has essentially been doing what the MIB does to people on the island, to us ever since. The temptations and what not. So if it really were the devil, I don't see how he could be bound merely to that island. 
  Another thing about Ben killing Jacob. He stabbed him with a "normal" knife provided by MIB/Locke, it was not the ceremonial knife that MIB gave to Richard/Dogan gave to Saiyd. So that could lend some credence to Jacob not really being dead so to speak, just all Obi Wan Konobi like.

I'm digging the Garden of Eden theory as well, they did make a pretty big deal to show that tree in several scenes and it was magnificant.

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I have a feeling Sawyer will sacrifice himself to save someone toward the end of the series. Probably in the finale. There's nothing waiting for him back home.

Doesn't he have an estranged daughter?

"People that read tabloids deserve to be lied to."--Jerry Jerry Dingleberry

Sawyer still has unfinished business back home... well, James Ford does at least.

He's going to kill Sawyer. And we should see that at some point... 

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Given the increasingly Biblical tone the show seems to be taking, especially after lasts nights episode, I started to think a bit. I remembered some passages from the book of 'Revelations' and just went and read over them again. There is a couple chapters that deal with angles who sound trumpets, 7 trumpets to be exact, after the seven seals have been opened.
  The sounding of these trumpets call into action certain forces so to speak. I couldn't help but think about that viking like horn/trumpet that sounds when the smoke moster is out and about and then I re-read the chapter describing the fifth trumpet that sounds. I am not trying to proselytize in any way, so WEY please don't take this as a religious statement, this is merely a reaction and postulation to how LOST is developing and me exploring a theory. Here is the passage.

Revelation 9
Fifth Trumpet: 
 ¹ Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. ² And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. ³ Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. ⁴ They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. ⁵ And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. ⁶ In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
⁷ The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. ⁸ They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. ⁹ And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. ¹⁰ They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. ¹¹ And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

    I have always believed when reading this that the description of locusts being like lions, and having faces of men and so on meaning that any form can be taken in order to punish/torture man. With that in mind it makes me think of MIB and how he can take many forms. I think it would be telling if his name indeed turns out to be Abaddon or Apollyon. I apologize for the long post and the injection of scripture but I thought it might be worth discussing.

 

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Speeding Wheels


Sawyer still has unfinished business back home... well, James Ford does at least.

He's going to kill Sawyer. And we should see that at some point... 

mmmm?
haven't we seen that before?

Carpe Diem !

while i feel terry o'quinn is a great actor...and has been doing a great job as the villian this season...i really feel they should have kept the guy whos plying MIB in the past as him...i just get a better sense of evil when hes on screen as opposed to locke

Yanke108

-Could the island be the Garden of Eden, especially with the Adam and Eve bones in the cave.

After the episode last night and doing some reading I'm strongly going with the Garden of Eden theory.  That tree was focused on very distinctly a couple of times. 

Speeding Wheels


Sawyer still has unfinished business back home... well, James Ford does at least.

He's going to kill Sawyer. And we should see that at some point... 

He's already killed Sawyer.  Back in Season 3.
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I don't think it will be something specific, and say the Garden of Eden or Purgatory or Hell or whatever, I think it will be a generic good vs. evil thing that takes from many religions. Notice Jacob said it has many names. I think in the end it will be very general as to not offend any particular religion but appease what most believe about good vs. evil

carfreak222


I don't think it will be something specific, and say the Garden of Eden or Purgatory or Hell or whatever, I think it will be a generic good vs. evil thing that takes from many religions. Notice Jacob said it has many names. I think in the end it will be very general as to not offend any particular religion but appease what most believe about good vs. evil

Certainly many religions throughout history have reused similar themes to illustrate the lessons about good and evil.  You may very well be right and it would fit with what's been said about leaving some things open to interpretation.

What an AMAZING episode last night. Great stuff, great answers. Good to hear stuff from Richard, as he was a big mystery in the show.

I don't think they're in hell. That's typical MiB soft-talk to get somebody to do what he wants. He obviously tried to manipulate Richard ("Ricardo" haha) when he showed him his wife, and then "killed her". It was probably the same mechanism he used in Ben when he showed him Alex in the temple, except this time he killed her and blamed it on Jacob. He's played that stunt before (or after, if we think in the timeline of the show).

On the other hand, Hurley is getting a lot of  attention and I think he's the next candidate on the list. The numbers seem to suggest that, if the numbers are to be followed from "best candidate to worst" of the people that were brought to the island. Locke was 4, but he's no longer available, Hugo is 8, so he would be next if that's the order. Also, Jacob referred to choosing a replacement for him that does the right thing on his own, without somebody telling him what that is. Hugo is one of the two candidates that we've never seem in some sort of wrong-doing in his flashes, just always trying to do the right thing. Locke was the other one. But he got played badly. I felt really sorry for the guy... So, there. I think Hugo is the next best candidate on the list. 

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Brilliant episode, and Nestor Carbonell just sealed himself an Emmy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z64oMe1WWH4

zoso

Speeding Wheels


Sawyer still has unfinished business back home... well, James Ford does at least.

He's going to kill Sawyer. And we should see that at some point... 

mmmm?
haven't we seen that before?

We know he killed him in season 3, but from a storytelling standpoint, since James Ford is off the island (where the killing happened) on the alternate timeline, he'd still have to get some sort of resolution with Sawyer-Anthony Cooper, either by getting over it, or by killing him... again.... sort of.

Jonny108

Speeding Wheels


Sawyer still has unfinished business back home... well, James Ford does at least.

He's going to kill Sawyer. And we should see that at some point... 

He's already killed Sawyer.  Back in Season 3.
Ab Aeterno was outstanding.  One of the best ever. WOWOWOWOOW!

Yes, he killed him inside the Black Pearl ship.  However...  He has not yet located him in the 2nd parallel (the one where the plane did not crash and he becomes a cop in LA)



Btw.  Mike showing the love for the show: http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2514101.aspx

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zoso

Speeding Wheels


Sawyer still has unfinished business back home... well, James Ford does at least.

He's going to kill Sawyer. And we should see that at some point... 

mmmm?
haven't we seen that before?

We know he killed him in season 3, but from a storytelling standpoint, since James Ford is off the island (where the killing happened) on the alternate timeline, he'd still have to get some sort of resolution with Sawyer-Anthony Cooper, either by getting over it, or by killing him... again.... sort of.

Yes, I thought about that after posting.

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I absolutely loved that the destruction of the statue and the Black Rock shipwreck were not only explained but they were tied together... and it was just a big storm and tidal wave that caused it, nothing paranormal, no space/time shifting mumbo jumbo.  

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That was an incredible episode. Definitely one of my all-time favorites!

The MIB could be some kind of demon or evil spirit, who wants to corrupt humans. So his corruption is what's being held in check by keeping him on the island.

This all seems relatively clear from this episode. Lots of questions answered. I'm quite pleased.

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The ship’s captain last night was Magnus Hanso. Of Hanso Foundation fame? The Hanso Foundation that funds the Dharma Initiative?
 
Apparently, Magnus Hanso is the Great Grandfather of Alvar Hanso who founded the Hanso Foundation.
 
Wow! Didn’t even pick up on the name during the episode.

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Someone mentioned locusts from Revelations in the bible. You know, the clicking sound that the smoke monster makes does kinda sound like locusts.

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The ship’s captain last night was Magnus Hanso. Of Hanso Foundation fame? The Hanso Foundation that funds the Dharma Initiative?
 
Apparently, Magnus Hanso is the Great Grandfather of Alvar Hanso who founded the Hanso Foundation.
 
Wow! Didn’t even pick up on the name during the episode.

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Someone mentioned locusts from Revelations in the bible. You know, the clicking sound that the smoke monster makes does kinda sound like locusts.

Awesome observation!

Carpe Diem !

This episode left me feeling very overwhelmed. I absolutely loved it, and was a bit intimidated by the man in black and all the talk of hell and the devil etc. VERY COOL

 

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Someone mentioned locusts from Revelations in the bible. You know, the clicking sound that the smoke monster makes does kinda sound like locusts.

That was another one of the reasons I was drawn to/reminded of that particular chapter in Revelations. The Smoke monster has always had that mechanical type sound and a swarm of locusts does sound mechanical in a way, with the thousands upon thousands of them sounding off. Who knows, but it is fun to speculate about. Really gonna miss this series when it's all said and done.

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Absolutely amazing episode last night. Richard's flashback was excellent. Loved every minute of it. I like both the actors who play the evil/man in black character.

I loved how they led us on to believe that Jacob was the devil and then switched it.

"I'm in a glass case of emotion."

I love it when Jacob and Richard are on the beach talking, and Jacob says, "It's all meaningless if I have to force them to do anything. Why should I have to step in?" Then Richard says, "If you don't, he will!" Jacob has this look on his face like, "Oh yeah, you have a point."

Best episode of the season so far fo sho.

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I love it when Jacob and Richard are on the beach talking, and Jacob says, "It's all meaningless if I have to force them to do anything. Why should I have to step in?" Then Richard says, "If you don't, he will!" Jacob has this look on his face like, "Oh yeah, you have a point."

I thought of that scene more like Jacob intentionally taking that conversation in that direction to see how Richard would react and what Richard would say. Once Richard said that 'If you don't he will", that look on Jacobs face, to me, was more like a Eureka moment concerning him finding the one he has been looking for to be his intermediary. He was pleasantly suprised that Richard had the instincts to know how their 'game' is played. I think Jacob called that ship to the island to specifically find someone to fill that role and the MIB knew about it and allowed Richard to live instead of killing him in the bowels of the Black Rock in order to try and prove his point to Jacob once again. Why else would he have let him live? When he told Jacob not to gloat when they met up it was just another small defeat for him and victory for Jacob. They played Richard to see which side of the line he'd end up on.

"Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.....Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars."                  Khalil Gibran

Wow that is way more incisive and accurate than what I said. Explains why he immediately offered Richard the job. Coolness.

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MAN i really wish you had posted some sort of spoiler warning about the fact that thats a list of most of the remaining episode titles.

I'm going to fix that. Right now.
Damn you Zoso.
Damn you straight to The Island!!

i should point out though, because i'm anal, that, at the moment i looked at that link, every episode was named except the two part finale.

also, the name of the link in the post above mine looks like it has the title of the series finale.  i'm not sure though.  i'm tempted to look because of the podcast part, but i dont want to see the name of the finale.

A wooden ship destroys a stone statue and then continues to travel into the middle of the woods undamaged. A fair attempt at joining the dots but it doesn't quite add up.

As for the rest of the episode, loved it. Now that we know for sure that the Island is a prison for Flocke, we can now hopefully move on and find out

How is Flocke so dangerous?
Why is Jacob any better? After all he has killed countless people in order to leave a few survivors in order to be "candidates", even Richards ship everyone died except him because of Jacob, why is he not the evil one?
Why can't Flocke just leave now if Jacob is dead and noone has been chosen to take his place?

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A wooden ship destroys a stone statue and then continues to travel into the middle of the woods undamaged. A fair attempt at joining the dots but it doesn't quite add up.

yeah it took me a bit to even realize thats what they were trying to say happened.  they didnt explain it well, and i wish they'd shown it better.

in the S5 finale weren't Jacob and MiB talking and watching the Black Rock in the day time and we are now shown that it arrived at the island in the night time.
Unless the ship on the horizon was actually not The Black Rock...that would make sense lol

JeffV


I don't think it's really hell.  That was just Richard venting because of his despair and frustration with Jacob.  They showed when he first came to the island, he believed he was dead and he was in hell.  And when he asked Jacob if it was hell, he said no it wasn't.  Now in his frustration, he feels everything Jacob told him was a lie, including the first thing he ever told him, which is that you aren't dead and this isn't hell.

I also think the writers wrote in that way to purposely tease the audience since that was theory people have had in the past. 

 This. I believe it's just a place where the devil or evil is locked up. Mr Jacob is just the warden of the prison.
Now he's dead he needs a replacement.
That's a lot info for this show and basicly telling you the whole plot right there.
The rest of the shows will show you who will replace Jacob and if the Devil wins and gets off the island.
And of course who end up replacing Jacob. I'm betting Hurley.

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MAN i really wish you had posted some sort of spoiler warning about the fact that thats a list of most of the remaining episode titles.

I'm going to fix that. Right now.
Damn you Zoso.
Damn you straight to The Island!!

i should point out though, because i'm anal, that, at the moment i looked at that link, every episode was named except the two part finale.

also, the name of the link in the post above mine looks like it has the title of the series finale.  i'm not sure though.  i'm tempted to look because of the podcast part, but i dont want to see the name of the finale.

The link has the Podcast and the name of the finale is in the Podcast itself. The title is not at all spoilery.

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angelusredgrove


in the S5 finale weren't Jacob and MiB talking and watching the Black Rock in the day time and we are now shown that it arrived at the island in the night time.
Unless the ship on the horizon was actually not The Black Rock...that would make sense lol

Yeah. You're assuming that was the Black Rock. It easily could have been another ship sailing by or even one that came to the island. We know others came to the island before the Black Rock.

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Not sure if this is actually spoilery as it will never be mentioned in the show, but in the said podcast people are talking about, they confirm that the ship seen sailing in the distance in Season 5 finale is the Black Rock. For those skeptical about the quick weather change and the boat not seeing the island well they said that fast weather changes aren't exactly uncommon on the island (definitely trying to cover their asses, but it makes sense within the shows context).

1) All the times it's randomly started to rain out of nowhere within the first couple seasons.
2) Remember Season 4, Frank's helicopter traveling through the barrier of the island while not on the proper co-ordinates given by Faraday, he instantly hit turbulence and a storm. I'm definitely fine thinking the boat came across this storm as a result of dealing with the weird properties of the barrier surrounding the island, and probably didn't even SEE the island until they had crossed this weird time/space/invisibility dome.

I was saying boo-urns.

You know, I am becoming more interested in Widmore's involvement right about now.  Assuming that his deal with Sawyer was on the level on his end of it, he intends to kill MiB.  This poses the question, "why hasn't anyone else done that before?"  I can think of a few possibilities.

1.  MiB's death may be another form of release, and Widmore is actually on MiB's side.  That would explain why Widmore got kicked off the island.

2.  MiB's death may prompt a replacement, kind of like Jacob.  In that case, Widmore might intend to become MiB and then escape from the island himself with new powers of apocalyptic doom.

3.  If Ben was the unwitting pawn of MiB to kill Jacob, then Widmore could be the piece that brings the game to checkmate in Jacob's favor.  As Jacob said, "It only ends once."  In this case, the idea might be to try to divide MiB's attention between eliminating/corrupting the candidates and fighting Widmore and crew.

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Of the steps you'd ever take
Bitter, I wonder
Would you run or cease to walk?

pullmyfinger


BEST EPISODE OF ENTIRE SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree!!

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Jokerman


A wooden ship destroys a stone statue and then continues to travel into the middle of the woods undamaged. A fair attempt at joining the dots but it doesn't quite add up.

yeah it took me a bit to even realize thats what they were trying to say happened.  they didnt explain it well, and i wish they'd shown it better.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by not explaining it well. A huge wave, tidal wave, slams the boat which is a fairly large boat into a statue. The idea that it broke the statue, which we already knew was broken but not as to why, and that the boat is in the middle of the jungle because of the huge wave was pretty obvious. Also it may have been more of the actual force of the wave that broke the statue as well.

I picture Lost like a frayed end of a rope. Little strands going in every direction and once they come together the end of the rope would be once solid piece. 

I. Conflict between Jacob and Mib.
     A. Conflict between the Hostiles and Dharma?

     B. Conflict between Ben and Widmore.

     C. Conflict between #815 and Ben's Others

     D. Conflict between Ilana's group (The good guys?) and Widmore's group. 

     E. Team Jacob vs. Team Black Smoke.


II. As far as we know from Ab Aeterno Jacob, Mib, and Richard are the only people on the island. Richard ended up being recruited by Jacob to serve as an advisor to assist persons on (and/or off the island?) as a buffer between them and Jacob. Seems like a way for Jacob to do his job on the island and not interfere in the personal choices those people make. There free will. 

III. Richard arrived on the island in 1867. During the islands many journeys through time we see Richard with a group of people in 1954. In the group were Widmore and Hawking. 

    A. Have we ever learned why that group was there or what there purpose was? Did they come to the island     by accident or intentionally? 

IV. The Dharma Initiative finds the island via the Lamp Post sometime in the 1960's and there arrival at some point in the early 1970's. The DI were allowed to inhabit the island and tap into its resources with an agreement between Richard and his merry group of hostiles. The sound barrier was set up to keep dangerous things from entering the barracks. The Smoke Monster can't get past the barrier, but, Richard can. 

     A. Why were the DI allowed to occupy the island?

     B. From 1867, 1954, and 1970(something), we Have 3 to 4 groups of people on the Island correct? 

         1. Jacob and Mib
         2. Richard and the hostiles

         3. The Dharma Initiative 

         4. Military people from sometime in the 1950's (This being based on what was said by Ellie and Widmore                back in 1954.


V.  At some point the rules have changed...
     Based upon a few things the MIB told Richard and Richard in turn told Jacob, Jacob seems to realize that the      MIB is slowly but surely discovering a way to get off the island. Which at that point could have set in motion      many of the events we have now witnessed as part of Jacobs plan. As mentioned by Jacob many people had      been to the island before playing a role in the recurring game between Jacob and Mib.


VI. A few things that I have no idea how they will play their part in the show. 
         
         A. The origins of the frozen wheel.

         B. resolution and understanding of the human conflicts on the island. 

         C. The significance of the geographic locations? Anytime the wheel has been turned that person                            has ended up in Tunisia in the dessert. The Lamp Post station is located in LA. California. Am I missing              any? The Tunisian coat of arms has a Ship, a Scale, and a Lion holding a sword on it. Tunisia has an                   interesting history as well as location.
         D. What did Jacob's statue represent (to whomever built it on the island, not the literal encyclopedia                   definition) and what was its purpose in being built? The Construction of the Light House?

         E. The sole purpose of Jacob's Cabin.

         F. The size of the Island and it's many mysteries and how they pertain to Jacob and MIB?  
         
         G. Why does the MIB have to shape shift into other People. Why does MIB really needs Lockes physical appearance? Did he use Christian Shephard as well? Why hasn't Jacob shape               shifted or has he?



Thank you for reading and I hope I got all my thoughts down without missing anything. Please feel free to add to any of the lists that I made. The more that's added to it will create a better understanding. 

              

         

BigBrainBrad


I picture Lost like a frayed end of a rope. Little strands going in every direction and once they come together the end of the rope would be once solid piece. 

I. Conflict between Jacob and Mib.
    A. Conflict between the Hostiles and Dharma?

    B. Conflict between Ben and Widmore.

    C. Conflict between #815 and Ben's Others

    D. Conflict between Ilana's group (The good guys?) and Widmore's group. 

    E. Team Jacob vs. Team Black Smoke.


II. As far as we know from Ab Aeterno Jacob, Mib, and Richard are the only people on the island. Richard ended up being recruited by Jacob to serve as an advisor to assist persons on (and/or off the island?) as a buffer between them and Jacob. Seems like a way for Jacob to do his job on the island and not interfere in the personal choices those people make. There free will. 

III. Richard arrived on the island in 1867. During the islands many journeys through time we see Richard with a group of people in 1954. In the group were Widmore and Hawking. 

   A. Have we ever learned why that group was there or what there purpose was? Did they come to the island     by accident or intentionally? 

IV. The Dharma Initiative finds the island via the Lamp Post sometime in the 1960's and there arrival at some point in the early 1970's. The DI were allowed to inhabit the island and tap into its resources with an agreement between Richard and his merry group of hostiles. The sound barrier was set up to keep dangerous things from entering the barracks. The Smoke Monster can't get past the barrier, but, Richard can. 

    A. Why were the DI allowed to occupy the island?

    B. From 1867, 1954, and 1970(something), we Have 3 to 4 groups of people on the Island correct? 

        1. Jacob and Mib
        2. Richard and the hostiles

        3. The Dharma Initiative 

        4. Military people from sometime in the 1950's (This being based on what was said by Ellie and Widmore                back in 1954.


V.  At some point the rules have changed...
    Based upon a few things the MIB told Richard and Richard in turn told Jacob, Jacob seems to realize that the      MIB is slowly but surely discovering a way to get off the island. Which at that point could have set in motion      many of the events we have now witnessed as part of Jacobs plan. As mentioned by Jacob many people had      been to the island before playing a role in the recurring game between Jacob and Mib.


VI. A few things that I have no idea how they will play their part in the show. 
        
        A. The origins of the frozen wheel.

        B. resolution and understanding of the human conflicts on the island. 

        C. The significance of the geographic locations? Anytime the wheel has been turned that person                            has ended up in Tunisia in the dessert. The Lamp Post station is located in LA. California. Am I missing              any? The Tunisian coat of arms has a Ship, a Scale, and a Lion holding a sword on it. Tunisia has an                   interesting history as well as location.
        D. What did Jacob's statue represent (to whomever built it on the island, not the literal encyclopedia                   definition) and what was its purpose in being built? The Construction of the Light House?

        E. The sole purpose of Jacob's Cabin.

        F. The size of the Island and it's many mysteries and how they pertain to Jacob and MIB?  
        
         G. Why does the MIB have to shape shift into other People. Why does MIB really needs Lockes physical appearance? Did he use Christian Shephard as well? Why hasn't Jacob shape               shifted or has he?



Thank you for reading and I hope I got all my thoughts down without missing anything. Please feel free to add to any of the lists that I made. The more that's added to it will create a better understanding. 

             

        

I forgot to add this question(s). 

What's the significance of the Hanso Family? If Richard was the only person that lived after the Black Rock crashed and the rest of the crew were murdered by Smoky, Who took the first mates journal off the island (to be later bought by Widmore at auction)?? 

Hey BigBrainBrad, have you ever check out Jeff Jensen's Lost theories on the Entertainment Weekly site? This guy's theories are entertaining reads.
Seeing your thorough analysis and theories reminded me of it.

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Hey BigBrainBrad, have you ever check out Jeff Jensen's Lost theories on the Entertainment Weekly site? This guy's theories are entertaining reads.
Seeing your thorough analysis and theories reminded me of it.

You should check out http://darkufo.blogspot.com/ for the best updates/theories

Also, the last episode is called The End.
Who saw it coming, seriously?

Be a minimalist. It's the least you can do.

Odaroo

Oblivion86


Hey BigBrainBrad, have you ever check out Jeff Jensen's Lost theories on the Entertainment Weekly site? This guy's theories are entertaining reads.
Seeing your thorough analysis and theories reminded me of it.

You should check out http://darkufo.blogspot.com/ for the best updates/theories

Also, the last episode is called *SPOILER*.
Who saw it coming, seriously?

Aw geeze how come people continue to post spoilers in this thread? Its bloody annoying, I mean I don't get worked up about things like episode titles but I know people do... so why bother risking it by posting?

 

It's in a list of episode titles. How is it considered as a spoiler?

Be a minimalist. It's the least you can do.

I am surprised that nobody has commented on what Hugo said to Richard at the end:

 "She said you have to kill the Man in Black."

Why did Hugo say that to Richard? Is he acting on his own now, or are these instructions from Jacob? Either way, I can see Hugo becoming more and more of a likely successor of Jacob, with his gift of talking to the dead and him being the only one to talk to Jacob...

What an awesome episode!

Odaroo


It's in a list of episode titles. How is it considered as a spoiler?

Because some people don't want to know early, and you have to respect other people's way of enjoying the show in this thread otherwise the show will be spoiled for some. There are certain things that can be revealed from something as simple as the episode titles.

 

FrankT


I am surprised that nobody has commented on what Hugo said to Richard at the end:

"She said you have to kill the Man in Black."

Why did Hugo say that to Richard? Is he acting on his own now, or are these instructions from Jacob? Either way, I can see Hugo becoming more and more of a likely successor of Jacob, with his gift of talking to the dead and him being the only one to talk to Jacob...

What an awesome episode!

Hugo is probably the closest person to become Jacob's successor. He's been taking orders from him for a while now.
On the other hand, Ben had also taken orders from Jacob almost all of his life.

Be a minimalist. It's the least you can do.

does anyone SERIOUSLY think its going to be hurley as the new jacob?  jack has always been the "main" character.  and i know us prog fans like for things to be unpredictable, but damon and carlton didn't make him the leader of the survivors for four years (our years, not show years), and then have him just be nothing.

i was listening to the commentary for "Because You Left" last night, and damecar said something about how they decided to "give our leader a break" in season 5.  the whole season, they wanted him taking orders from other people.  they wanted him to surrender in a way.  first he's taking orders from ben, then he's taking orders from eloise, then he pushes a mop around (orders from sawyer) until daniel comes back from michigan and gives him some more orders.  they said they did this because of "whats coming in season six".

i think its possible that hurley could be the new richard.  in the commentary for "The Man Behind the Curtain", they talk about how they researched the interesting dichotomy in how new Dalai Lamas and Panchen Lamas are selected.  i dont think they'll end the show with richard still in his current position.  hes served the island for a long time and he deserves something better.  however, as we've seen, unless the show ends in a very loopy way where we just have the new jacob telling smokey he still cant leave, like we havent truly "defeated" smokey, i see no purpose in having a richard character.  theres no reason to keep bringing people to the island if you're not proving him wrong.  thus theres no need for a proxy.

Was Ben ever taking orders from Jacob? When Ben took Locke to the cabin, and showd him an empty chair, then shit started to shake and we saw some fellow stand up, he didn't look like Jacob, and Jacob has always appeared in the one form. And later on we see Christian in that cabin, which we believe to have been MiB at that point. So was Ben going to Mib all those times and MiB was lying and claiming to be Jacob, or was Ben just fucking with Locke? I can't get my mind off this event, it's really not making sense to me. HELP.

Verification of the truth of the words of the Book of Counted Shadows, if spoken by another, rather than read by the one who commands the boxes, can only be ensured by the use of a Confessor...

it seemed at that point Ben was just blowing smoke up Locke's ass, as he was visably shaken/confused that Jacob said something. I'm not sure Ben ever legitimately talked to Jacob; rather, he got directives from Richard and his "show of power" at the cabin backfired and showed that his position wasn't truly what it was.

then again, dunno.

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Yeah but I really don't think it was Jacob in the cabin. So maybe Ben didn't know anyone was there, when MiB started shaking things it surprised Ben.

Verification of the truth of the words of the Book of Counted Shadows, if spoken by another, rather than read by the one who commands the boxes, can only be ensured by the use of a Confessor...

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A wooden ship destroys a stone statue and then continues to travel into the middle of the woods undamaged. A fair attempt at joining the dots but it doesn't quite add up.

yeah it took me a bit to even realize thats what they were trying to say happened.  they didnt explain it well, and i wish they'd shown it better.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by not explaining it well. A huge wave, tidal wave, slams the boat which is a fairly large boat into a statue. The idea that it broke the statue, which we already knew was broken but not as to why, and that the boat is in the middle of the jungle because of the huge wave was pretty obvious. Also it may have been more of the actual force of the wave that broke the statue as well.

This.

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Yeah but I really don't think it was Jacob in the cabin. So maybe Ben didn't know anyone was there, when MiB started shaking things it surprised Ben.

In Ab Aeterno, MIB tells Richard that the Devil took his Body and his humanity...

I posed the previous question of why would the MIB need Locke's body. Perhaps, the MIB can't take his own human form. If Jacob really took his body then is MIB only able to take the form of a body that died off the island? It would make sense but it wouldn't explain why Jacob is able to interact with MIB in non-Locke form as well as Richard. 

Was Jacob's cabin with the ash circle around it used to imprison MIB's body or someone else's. When Ben and Locke visited the Cabin no one was there until it started shaking and we caught a glimpse of a man in a chair. Whomever it was said "Help Me". We later see Christian Shephard in the Cabin. Christian Shephard died and his Body was on the plane when it crashed. Maybe the MIB was using Christians body to do his work until he decided to take Lockes. MIB did visit Locke and seemed to read his mind the same way he read Richard's on the Boat. It seemed to me like the smoke was taking pictures of Richard when it appeared on the Black Rock. A little while later we see the MIB appear in human form. Could the human form of MIB that we have seen actually be the body of someone else? Maybe a Hanso family member or something. If my thoughts are wrong then my question of why does the MIB need Locke's body has yet to be answered. 

Does anyone remember Richard's reaction when he realizes that MIB is using Locke's body? Didn't Ilana say that someone or something was using the cabin before they burned it and the ash circle was broken? For all I know there could be something more powerful being kept on the island and Jacob and MIB are supposed to keep it locked up. MIB is tired and wants to get off the island and by doing so is screwing everything up that he and Jacob were supposed to protect. I think a strong answer lies in the identity of the Boy that MibLocke and Sawyer saw in the jungle. Maybe, MIB murdered the boy and that is why he is stuck on the island. He did seem a little freaked out when the Boy appeared. 

The ideas of Human conflict, Free will, Fate, and Destiny are coming together in this massive mind fruck of a television show we call LOST. "It only ends once".

Is there a dubloon coin that matches with the Lighthouse and the Rock along with a treasure map to one eyed Willies rich stuff? :) 1632, 16-23 uh oh.

danielreid


Aw geeze how come people continue to post spoilers in this thread? Its bloody annoying, I mean I don't get worked up about things like episode titles but I know people do... so why bother risking it by posting?

Well the title name that he posted for the final episode doesn't spoil anything. Now the link for the other episodes does so I would understand being upset for clicking on that link not knowing the title names were there but for anyone getting upset over the last episode name being posted is just being silly and over-dramatic. Now if the last episode title was "Not over yet, another season coming" then THAT would be a major spoiler.