"LOST" Season SIX/LAST season discussion (spoilers)

Sayid was an Iraqi deserter. He may have gotten citizenship in Iran to get that passport. He was a toturer of course, any number people would have wanted to get a piece of him.  
 
Edit: yeah, stange...doesn't make sense then if immigration form would list Iraq. 

Check out these thoughts...
http://www.swanfungus.com/2010/02/lost-theories-on-the-oceanic-815-reboot-and-hurleys-sanity.html
Very interesting indeed.

prognerd


Check out these thoughts...
http://www.swanfungus.com/2010/02/lost-theories-on-the-oceanic-815-reboot-and-hurleys-sanity.html
Very interesting indeed.

Wow. Those are some great points. Almost to the point of that seems like that it what has to be going on. Very insightful theory's both of which make perfect sense. Now, the show will completely shatter those theories in an eposode or two which is what makes LOST so friggin' cool, but those were interesting thougts nonetheless.

The hatch is what was being built at the time, so it would have been impossible for his first point to be true, right?

I have a working theory: I agree with some folks that we're not seeing "dual realities."  I think what's happening is actually all on the same timeline.  Perhaps what's happening is that time, starting from 2007, is bending backwards and going the other way in order to "course correct" for Jughead going off in 1977.

It's like this: imagine driving down a highway. You're driving for a while.  You pass mile marker 77.  You drive 30 more miles, then make a u-turn and drive the 30 miles back on the other side of the highway.  Then, you make another u-turn at mile marker 77, and continue driving the direction you were originally going.  You drive those same 30 miles again, but it's not quite the same as on the first pass (different cars going by, different time of day, etc.).

That's sort of how I think time is now behaving; time made a "u-turn" in 2007 and is heading back 30 years to the Jughead incident, then will make another "u-turn" and carry on in its original direction.  At some point on this course of time, the island will sink below the ocean (perhaps at the point where time makes the second "u-turn" and intersects with the instant Jughead goes off).  This will then lead into the timeline where 815 lands safely at LAX.  So time will pass through the years 1977-2007 again, but there will be some differences.

Of course, I can't put much stock in this theory, and I really am not sure how I can reconcile it with the events of the series; it just sounded cool!

First of all, Pennie would still exist.  I think she was born before 1977 (only 27 in 2004?).  I thought she should be older than her half brother Farraday who had to be born in 1977/1978.   With Whidmore most likely being killed when the island was sunk in 1977, Desomd and Pennie would not have any resistance to them being married.

I am going with parallel universes.  However, if time is bending back on itself, why even send the losties back to the present?  They could have just died in 1977 with the island being sunk.  The younger versions of themselves would still have been born and then in 2004, there would be no island to crash their plane.  From that point on they would have a different life ignorant of the island.  Clearly, their original timeline still exists and now a new timeline exists in which the island is sunk.

ABC is showing last week's Lost with the pop-up... and I thought of a couple more things.


First of all, and I do apologize if this has already been said.. but I had a total "well, duh" moment when the pop-up explained that the pool they were using to try and save Sayid is the same place that Richard took young Linus to save him after he was shot by Sayid. Richard warned Kate Ben would never be the same again. And I think he even said he wouldn't remember anything or something along those lines?

So... perhaps whatever it is that happened to Sayid... something inhabiting him? ... probably happened to Linus when he was young?


Also... I had another random thought watching the ankh breaking open scene... What if the paper in the ankh listed the losties names saying they were the ones that were going to save them... or lead them in some epic battle... perhaps having to do with who Jacob said was "coming" and why the temple people were arming themselves at the end of the episode.


Looking forward to next episode and more speculating

Nice to see good old Ethan make another appearance. And Mac from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia returns from Season 3 to be killed by...Claire. Very interesting.

They keep saying the time for questions is over... BUT I'M STILL CONFUSED!!!

BTW, Claire killing that annoying guy has to be the highlight of the episode.  But I feel bad for the other one.  He was rather sensible given the unusual circumstances.

Yeah the white guy was a douche bag but the black guy was nice and trying to help.  I think Kate making the bag of rocks hit him made me more mad than Claire shooting him.  Kate was a B in that episode. 

Some good acting from Josh Holloway in that episode.  I didn't like Juliet but I really feel bad for Sawyer. 

Aldo finally showing up again, glad he sounded more like Mac than back in Season 3.

omegon


They keep saying the time for questions is over... BUT I'M STILL CONFUSED!!!

BTW, Claire killing that annoying guy has to be the highlight of the episode.  But I feel bad for the other one.  He was rather sensible given the unusual circumstances.

they are not going to give you all the answers at the beginning of the season. come on. they already gave a major answer to the show in the first episode of season 6.

prognerd


Check out these thoughts...
http://www.swanfungus.com/2010/02/lost-theories-on-the-oceanic-815-reboot-and-hurleys-sanity.html
Very interesting indeed.

One error that I see with the theory is that the producers have verified that Hurly's Dave is not Libby's Dave.  They could have been lying but they usually use other methods to cover their tracks.

Source:http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dave_(Hurley's_friend) 

tjanuranus



they are not going to give you all the answers at the beginning of the season. come on. they already gave a major answer to the show in the first episode of season 6.

I know that but I still feel the need to complain.  They seem to have saved the most confusing questions for the end of the show!  Just when I thought they couldn't confuse us anymore.

gmillerdrake

prognerd


Check out these thoughts...
http://www.swanfungus.com/2010/02/lost-theories-on-the-oceanic-815-reboot-and-hurleys-sanity.html
Very interesting indeed.

Wow. Those are some great points. Almost to the point of that seems like that it what has to be going on. Very insightful theory's both of which make perfect sense. Now, the show will completely shatter those theories in an eposode or two which is what makes LOST so friggin' cool, but those were interesting thougts nonetheless.

But the paint spot on the neck thing has to be a clue of some sort,  it's too weird.

Ok, now this really throws shit for a loop...Sorry it's blurry I took it in a hurry. Its Claire's sonogram. Notice the Date. 10/22/2004

Decade of Statues


Aldo finally showing up again, glad he sounded more like Mac than back in Season 3.

Totally.  I was expecting Charlie, Dennis, and Dee to at least show up in from the jungle.

That's weird about the ultrasound date.  I don't even remember them having a photo of the ultrasound that somebody was holding though. 

Sayid's got himself THE SICKNESS. Yay for more giant unanswered questions having the end in sight.

Scherztastic


Sayid's got himself THE SICKNESS. Yay for more giant unanswered questions having the end in sight.

They told Jack that once it reaches his heart he would no longer be the person they knew (or something like that). They also told Jack that it happened before to his sister - meaning Claire. So, I think it will be interesting to see what Claire is like going forward. Right now, we know that she's alive and she's shooting people with a rifle. If that happens to Sayid, it won't be a change at all.

metropolis pt 13


Some good acting from Josh Holloway in that episode. 

His best of the series IMO. I was really feeling it and like you said I felt bad for the guy, and you can sense the attitude and mood change in Sawyer. If not for his acting and portrayal of Sawyer this episode would have been a complete bust for me. I understand we now have seen Claire alive again and her condition has been described but all in all I thought the episode was a little meh.....

Is it just me or is everything in a loop or something on the island. Sayid gets shot taken to the temple and fixed (kind of like young ben) Now you have Claire looking like Roussou. Maybe she time shifted to the 1970's but never shifted back with the rest of the crew???? She looked like she was in the jungle a while. This show is a serious mindfuck! After every episode I am like this .

Savaron


Is it just me or is everything in a loop or something on the island.

We move in circles, Balanced all the while On a gleaming razor's edge
A perfect sphere, Colliding with our fate  This story ends where it began

metropolis pt 13


Some good acting from Josh Holloway in that episode.  I didn't like Juliet but I really feel bad for Sawyer. 

 
+1 NOT a fan of Juliet at all, but yes, Sawyer loved her

gmillerdrake

metropolis pt 13


Some good acting from Josh Holloway in that episode. 

His best of the series IMO. I was really feeling it and like you said I felt bad for the guy, and you can sense the attitude and mood change in Sawyer. If not for his acting and portrayal of Sawyer this episode would have been a complete bust for me. I understand we now have seen Claire alive again and her condition has been described but all in all I thought the episode was a little meh.....

^ Nail hit on the head! I agree 100%.

bring down the godhead

Decade of Statues


Aldo finally showing up again, glad he sounded more like Mac than back in Season 3.

Totally.  I was expecting Charlie, Dennis, and Dee to at least show up in from the jungle.

I figured it out.

Aldo = Man In Black = Mac = Nightman

So, LOGICALLY:

Jacob = Dayman.  Fighter Of Nightman.  Champion Of The Sun.  Master Of Karate and Friendship for everyone.

With regards to darkness surrounding Sayid's heart, I'm guessing that it means that he aligns with or is part of MIB's side (or one that we dont know) which is what Claire seems to be. And by giving the poison to Sayid I guess

Savaron

Now you have Claire looking like Roussou.

Only Roussou was able to keep away from the Others for so long. Claire is now "infected" as Dogen said and from episodes back we've seen her in the company of  Christian(Smokey in the form of) at the shack so the "sickness" may have already darkened her heart already. Christian,Sayid, Ben's daughter had to die that Smokey was able to take form of.  Did Claire die that we don't know about. (I don't recall) 
 
Anyone able to figure out what they were looking for when "diagnosing" Sayid? Thought at first torturing him to remind him of his sins. That hot blade was just to cauterize the gun wound. 
Awesome acting by Josh in this episode...have a feeling everyone will step up to the plate this  season.  

Whiskeyjack


 Did Claire die that we don't know about. (I don't recall)  
 

 
Well, she was in a house in New Otherton that was blown up when the mercenaries came.  She *seemed* to have survived this, only to disappear a night or two later.  

It's great to have Claire back, I hope she get's cured of the darkness and gets to see Aaron again in the end.

Whiskeyjack


Anyone able to figure out what they were looking for when "diagnosing" Sayid? Thought at first torturing him to remind him of his sins. That hot blade was just to cauterize the gun wound. 
Awesome acting by Josh in this episode...have a feeling everyone will step up to the plate this  season.  

I think they were just seeing how he would react to being tortured. If I recall correctly (in the first season I think) when he was being held 'prisoner' by Sawyer and the gang he did not fear the torture they threatened him with just becasue of his past...being a trained elite soldier and hardened torturer he did not have fear within him. I thought it was odd the way he reacted to being tortured, very submissive and frail it seemed. Completely contrary to how Saiyd has been portrayed in the show up to this point. Being that the Others have always known everything about everyone on the island it would seem that they know that the 'sickness' in Saiyd is essentially not him or it is changing him somehow I suppose. Just a theory of course. Why they fear that change within him remains to be seen as we aren't even sure who the 'good' guys are. What is happening to Saiyd may be a good thing and not all that bad. And so the mind fu%k continues.......

I think the sickness is somehow different from the Smoke Monster using your body as he's done with Christian, Locke and so on. After all he took their forms and memories while the corpses remained elsewhere. Wheras Sayid got up and started walking again. To consider what's going to happen to him, I think the better direction to look is Montand, Robert etc. (Rousseau's French team) who also came in contact with the Monster and began acting irradically/crazy.

Definately more of a "set up" episode.

I think Sayid is dealing with the same problems as the French crew were. And it has to be seperate from what happened with Locke/smokey.

Too many variables so I will leave it alone, we will see.........

gmillerdrake

Whiskeyjack


Anyone able to figure out what they were looking for when "diagnosing" Sayid? Thought at first torturing him to remind him of his sins. That hot blade was just to cauterize the gun wound. 
Awesome acting by Josh in this episode...have a feeling everyone will step up to the plate this  season.  

I think they were just seeing how he would react to being tortured. If I recall correctly (in the first season I think) when he was being held 'prisoner' by Sawyer and the gang he did not fear the torture they threatened him with just becasue of his past...being a trained elite soldier and hardened torturer he did not have fear within him. I thought it was odd the way he reacted to being tortured, very submissive and frail it seemed. Completely contrary to how Saiyd has been portrayed in the show up to this point. Being that the Others have always known everything about everyone on the island it would seem that they know that the 'sickness' in Saiyd is essentially not him or it is changing him somehow I suppose. Just a theory of course. Why they fear that change within him remains to be seen as we aren't even sure who the 'good' guys are. What is happening to Saiyd may be a good thing and not all that bad. And so the mind fu%k continues.......

sayid acted the exact same way when rousseau tortured him in season one.

RocketSauce2112

gmillerdrake

Whiskeyjack


Anyone able to figure out what they were looking for when "diagnosing" Sayid? Thought at first torturing him to remind him of his sins. That hot blade was just to cauterize the gun wound. 
Awesome acting by Josh in this episode...have a feeling everyone will step up to the plate this  season.  

I think they were just seeing how he would react to being tortured. If I recall correctly (in the first season I think) when he was being held 'prisoner' by Sawyer and the gang he did not fear the torture they threatened him with just becasue of his past...being a trained elite soldier and hardened torturer he did not have fear within him. I thought it was odd the way he reacted to being tortured, very submissive and frail it seemed. Completely contrary to how Saiyd has been portrayed in the show up to this point. Being that the Others have always known everything about everyone on the island it would seem that they know that the 'sickness' in Saiyd is essentially not him or it is changing him somehow I suppose. Just a theory of course. Why they fear that change within him remains to be seen as we aren't even sure who the 'good' guys are. What is happening to Saiyd may be a good thing and not all that bad. And so the mind fu%k continues.......

sayid acted the exact same way when rousseau tortured him in season one.

Interesting, I didn't recall that and still have a problem remembering it.  There is just too much information to retain for this freakin show! I still had the feeling that Saiyd was acting differently somehow. Who knows!

quick question... had we seen that mechanic guy who helped Kate with the cuffs before? I kind of want to say yes, that he may have had something to do with Sawyer...

I remember the actor from... what was it, The First Power? And I feel like we've seen him before on LOST...

By the way, this weeks episode felt so short... after so long a wait, then the 2 hour premiere, the episode ended and I was ... huh? so soon?

I hope they start being more straightforward... Lennon & Yoko in the temple were kind of getting on my nerves with all their secrecy.

Yeah, the secrecy blows, but I guess I'm used to it by now.  The Others have always been that way. 

Did I hear right that after 6ish episodes, the rest of the season will be one linear time line?  Or was that just rumors?

Recap for "What Kate Does" is up...

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This episode didn't do anything for me, and it's bothering me that they are still dragging their feet when it comes to explaining things.  There are so many damn mysteries to explain, yet every episode either gives MORE questions or doesn't answer any. 

Did we learn anything from this episode?  Sayid is "infected" but we already knew something was up w/him when he came back from the dead at the end of LA X.  We still don't know anything about Lennon and Dogan (Dogan: "i was brought to the island."  Wow, thanks...very informative!).  Claire makes an appearance but at the very end of the episode, and seeing her in the flashback/flashforward/whatever kinda set that up.

I'm also tired of no one asking any relevant questions.  Take the beginning of the episode when Lennon comes up to Sayid and Jack:

"We need to talk to mr. Jarah"
"Not w/o me"
"We need to talk w/him alone"
"No"
"Yes"
"No"
"Yes"

...alright, not exactly how it played out, but you get the idea.  How about Jack says, "tell us exactly what's going on w/our friend, and then you can talk to him all you want."  Jack knows the Others aren't gonna kill them...they're on a special list!  If you have that kind of bargaining chip, then play it!  I can handle a show having mysteries, but i'm really bothered by everyone being so complacent about all this crazy shit happening.

Coincidence or not.

Has anyone else noticed the similarities between Jacob, MIB, Ben, and Charles Widmore?

Jacob and MIB cannot kill each other b/c of something we don't know about. 

In season 5 Ben visits Charles Widmore in his loft and says that Widmore changed the rules. One of them mentions that they cannot kill each other. So they attack whoever is close to that person etc. 

So it seems to me that the aforementioned names cannot kill each other so they use other people to do there deeds. 

Also, Charles Widmore mentioned to Locke while he was in the hospital in Tunisia that he was good at getting things done or would do whatever it takes. I can't quote it verbatim so I do apologize. Also, back in season 3 I think or was it 2. Desmond buys a ring for penny from non other than Eloise Hawking who could predict death etc much like Desmond later on. There are several examples in the episode that back up her story. They guy in the red shoes who dies when scaffolding falls on him not long after Eloise points him out. Based upon a little research I did, Eloise was able to make predictions up to some point but it seems they stopped and she had no idea what was going to happen. 

Taking into consideration the fact that Widmore and Hawking had Faraday and Widmore was also the father of Penny. Penny hooks up with Desmond who had encountered Eloise at the jewelry store. Whether or not Eloise was aware of the fact that Desmond was going to marry Penny who was the daughter of her ex widmore has yet to be seen as far as I know. Another weird thing was the connection between Faraday and Desmond who were "Constants" as well as Penny. The only person who doesn't share a blood line with Widmore is Desmond and Eloise even though they married into the family and so on. 

I still think we have quite a bit of information to catch up on as far as Eloise Hawking is concerned. What role will Charles Widmore continue to play. One thing I would like to know is When did Eloise leave England and travel to LA to keep watch over the Pendulum station. Another question is how many more Darhma stations are there? Whats the connections between LA, Portland, Australia, England, Tunisia, and other Asian countries? 

One last question. Why did Jack travel to that Island where he met the asian chick and got all the tattoos? I cannot remember the meaning behind them and why he went there. 

That's all I got this time around.