"LOST" Season SIX/LAST season discussion (spoilers)

So now there's this duality thing. First thing I thought was if you had died on the island before the duality then you would not have your other self, hence no tailies . Ah so there's Rose and Bernard since they are still alive sometime. Then no sign of Shannon, Michael  cause they died. But then you see Boone and Charlie so that throws that out  the window:)   

Nemesis freed Alpert from enslavement long time ago?

Think they'll dig up Juliet now? 

Someone figure out why the island is underwater in the opening flyover?

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That's what it seems to be

*sudden realization* 

So it DID work.  They are all now back in the same time frame as Ben and Sun.

I think Richard was a slave on the Black Rock, with that line Fake Locke said. This season is shaping out to be awesome.

Oblivion86

spocks_brow


Yeah, I have no guesses to the alternate life (perhaps that's the ending effect), but I'm pretty sure Jacob has taken Sayid's body.

That was my guess as well.
 
As far as the Oceanic storyline goes, that airline absolutely blows with handling luggage.
 
Oh and, RIP Juliet.

Someone on Lostpedia (which they know more than I), say that Jacob doesn't take over a body, but can look the same as the dead body... but I have no idea.

Wow... just wow, LOST fails to disappoint.

So glad its back, but wow, just wow. Alternate Universe, I'd say so.

Great to see Boone, Charlie, (real) Locke and Claire again.

Pretty interesting paralells how Boone and Locke hooked up, Jack saving Charlies life. Still confused about Desmond.

just WAHHHH!!

Jacob inhabiting Saiyds body is an interesting theory, perhaps Jacob will try to 'beat' his nemisis at his own game. That was a cryptic phrase the nemisis/smoke monster used when Ben wondered why Jacob did not put up a fight.....saying he must have known he was beaten. I'm guessing since the flight attendant was in the temple and there were a couple kids running around that that is where the kids ended up after they were kidnapped. How did she get inthere though? Idon't remember her character being kidnapped or anything like that. It's kind of cool they got Geddy Lee to interpret for the temple leader:), ha....anyway I'm assuming that the smoke monster/nemisis dude's home is the temple itself and that he has not been able to gain access to it for some time, especially since Richard knows who he is. I'd like to throw out there as well that Richard was a slave on that original ship, the Black Rock and nemisis remembers him from either when he or Jacob freed him. Peculiar episode and it's definately going to be a neat season. Oh yeah.......how about the alternate reality versionof the island sunk in the ocean....I'm loving my Atlantis theory on that one. (By saying my I in no way am claiming the original postulation of the island being Atlantis only that I continue to stand by that theory until proven otherwise) 

I have some strange feeling that Christian's body was the only part of that plane that made it to the island (hence why it went missing), and either Jacob or the other guy has been using his body to talk to his kids.

Fun trending topic on Twitter tonight is #messingwithwestcoasters. For example:

"Wait a second...was Jack Shepard always played by Joe Piscopo?"

"OMG! I can't believe everyone is back on Oceanic Flight 815, but now they're sea lions!"

spocks_brow


Yeah, I have no guesses to the alternate life (perhaps that's the ending effect), but I'm pretty sure Jacob has taken Sayid's body.

About Sayid suddenly coming back to life.  I got the idea that Jack had something to do with it.   He was sitting over him just before he was called over to "talk".  Remember, he was always the "fixer" and also fixed the woman he ended up marrying who was supposedly unfixable.  


By the way, AMAZING premiere.  My head hurts to much to think about much more but I love it.

I think Sayid coming back has to do with how Ben came back when he was taken to the Temple after being shot as a kid. Sayid is brought back to life, but won't remember any of it.

Great season premier! Of course, Lost offers more questions than answers as usual. They could do another 6 seasons based on how many questions there are to be answered.

Here come the random thoughts that will be causing me to fail my classes for the rest of the semester.

Farrr stretch, but it seems like Jacob's relationship with his rival is similar to that of Kate and the marshal.  Jacob seems to have "custody" of his rival, and his rival does whatever he can to escape (kill Jacob), and he just wants to go home.
Notice how Kate couldn't kill the marshal in the first season, and had to get Sawyer to do it (like Ben killing Jacob, piercing the heart).
Now in the alternate universe, Kate is running from the marshal, while Jacob's rival seems to be doing the same (I guess running to the temple before Jacob gets there?)

Well, yesterday and today were two of the worst days in my life...
(thank you everybody for your thoughts and wishes in Bongo's thread....I appreciate it...but let's not start posting about that here, so we keep this thread on track...)
 
Anyways, regardless of my personal tragedy, I couldn't be kept away from tonight's season premiere that I have been sooo looking foward to...
 
Here's my take:
 
Because we now know for sure from last season that on the Island "dead is dead", I think the MIB (the Man in Black) is now in Sayid..either that or it is Jacob if that's possible...

I also think the 2004 stuff is NOT an "alternate reality" at all like we are being led to believe...
 
I think the #815 passengers did indeed now land safely in 2004...but they will somehow end up on Flight #316 in 2007 and that's how they are back on the island in the 2007 we are seeing
(Which is why Juliet said "it worked".....also Juliet couldn't be saved as she was never an 815 passenger)
 
Also,
Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse were just on Kimmel and confirmed these things from tonights episode that were NOT a coincidence:

--- Michael, Walt and Shannon were not on the plane
--- Jack is now nervous and Rose is calm....the opposite of the original 815
--- Jack is handed 1 liquor bottle by the stewartess (not 2 like the original 815) and this time spills his drink
 
BEST.....SHOW.....EVER!
 
MP


 
 

--- Jack is now nervous and Rose is calm....the opposite of the original 815

I knew something was up with that scene but I just couldn't put my finger on it.  Interesting.

I've heard so much about this show, but I have yet to see an episode. I'll have to check it out. Not having cable (by choice) puts a bit of a monkey wrench into that. ;)  But I've heard nothing but good things about this show. I'll have to see if I can rent DVDs of the seasons at my local video store.

Don't really have much to say other than WOW!

I caught a lot of biblical references... is the island sort of an Atlantis thing? 

I think we're not in two time lines, but two realities... which the new reality will "course correct" and bring our team back to 2007 with Sun, Frank, Ben, etc...

Burtonium


I've heard so much about this show, but I have yet to see an episode. I'll have to check it out. Not having cable (by choice) puts a bit of a monkey wrench into that. ;)  But I've heard nothing but good things about this show. I'll have to see if I can rent DVDs of the seasons at my local video store.

then for god's sake stop reading this thread or it'll spoil the whole thing for ya!

Portnoy



I also think the 2004 stuff is NOT an "alternate reality" at all like we are being led to believe...
 
I think the #815 passengers did indeed now land safely in 2004...but they will somehow end up on Flight #316 in 2007 and that's how they are back on the island in the 2007 we are seeing
(Which is why Juliet said "it worked".....also Juliet couldn't be saved as she was never an 815 passenger)

 
 

Interesting theory MP. And the more I think about it the more confused I become. 

How can Desmond be on the plane if he was actually supposed to be in the hatch.? The hatch was blown up in 1977 by a hydrogen bomb. Technically the island should be competely blown up in 2004. So by pure coincidence Desmond could be on the flight. Also, we have the scene of the island underwater. SO many questions and so many more questions...

So a little time line so to speak...

2004-#815 crashes. 90 days. blah blah
2004-People left on the island bounce around in time. 1953(?),1974, and 1977 are the notable time periods that we know of. 
2004-2007 the oceanic 6 are doing whatever and end up going back to the island. 

If Doc Brown shows up in the in the DeLorean I'm going to be pissed. 
 

...and to add more mystery...

In the first episode Jack and Boone are trying to save rose on the beach. She can't breathe. Jacks send Boone to look for a pen...

Jack and Sayid are trying to save Charlie on the plane who is choking on his smack. Jack asks for a pen cause his wasn't in his coat (Kate picked his pocket remember). 

So the first episode of season one has jack saving someone who can't breath. There is a pen involved. Aside from jack you have Charlie, Rose, Boone, and Sayid. Now what's up with the flight attendant Cindy Chandler...
"Lost" (10  episodes)
Pilot: Part 1 (22 September 2004) - Cindy Chandler  Pilot: Part 2 (29 September 2004) - Cindy Chandler  Tabula Rasa (6 October 2004) - Cindy Chandler (voice) (uncredited)  Orientation (5 October 2005) - Cindy Chandler (uncredited)  Everybody Hates Hugo (12 October 2005) - Cindy Chandler  ...And Found (19 October 2005) - Cindy Chandler  Abandoned (9 November 2005) - Cindy Chandler  The Other 48 Days (16 November 2005) - Cindy Chandler  Stranger in a Strange Land (21 February 2007) - Cindy Chandler  The Brig (2 May 2007) - Cindy Chandler   

Awesome episode, and of course, way more questions raised than answered.  What was up w/the underwater island shot?  Any other allusions to that aside from that one shot?

I agree w/MP that the 2004 stuff (successful landing at LAX) is taking place on the same timeline, and they will all somehow wind up back on the island in 2007.  Not sure how that makes any sense, but if any show can pull it off, it's Lost.

Very cool to confirm that MIB was the smoke monster and in possession of Locke.  Where is "home" for him?

if Jacob has taken possession of Sayid's body, is the entity that embodies the black smoke monster taking Locke's body?

I'm not sure if we ever see the entity + the dead Locke on-screen at the same time, but I think the writers are assuming that the entity is not actually using Locke's BODY actually.

In other words, if Jacob's entity were to comeback and appear as Sayid, why wouldn't Jacob comeback as a separate Sayid and not actually take possession of Sayid's body?

Here is my theory...the only way to avoid a paradox when dealing with time travel is to have dual realities.  In one timeline the bomb doesn't go off which causes the electro-magnetism on the island to not be contained which ends up pulling the island to the bottom of the ocean .  The other timeline has the bomb going off which sends the losties back to the current year.   I think this is how they are going to be telling the story for this season(i guess these would be called "flash sideways").

As to some of the other things that happened....I don't think its a coincidence that bad things are happening to the losties that landed(luggage and coffins missing, Jin being arrested, etc).   

I think it might be safe to say that the reason Alpert and the rest of the Others are loyal to Jacob is because he freed them from the Black Rock.

I don't think Jacob has been resurrected in Sayid's body...I think Sayid was resurrected.  They have always paid alot of attention to burying bodies and it seems that if you don't bury someone, they have an uncanny ability of either showing up again or coming back to life.

If fake Locke is bullet-proof(the bullet bounced off of him), why does he have to turn into the smoke monster(unless it is some sort of automatic defense system for himself(which might be why Alpert told everyone not to shoot at Locke)).

I am still trying to figure out why fake Locke told the Others that he was very disappointed in them at the end of the episode.

Did anyone else notice the Dharma shark?  :P

Portnoy


I think the #815 passengers did indeed now land safely in 2004...but they will somehow end up on Flight #316 in 2007 and that's how they are back on the island in the 2007 we are seeing

I'm not sure about that, because they still seem to remember everything from before (though none of them seemed to know who Jacob was when Hugo said his name...)

I think the #815 passengers did indeed now land safely in 2004...but they will somehow end up on Flight #316 in 2007 and that's how they are back on the island in the 2007 we are seeing
(Which is why Juliet said "it worked".....also Juliet couldn't be saved as she was never an 815 passenger)

I also don't think this will happen because we saw the island at the bottom of the ocean.

Portnoy


I also think the 2004 stuff is NOT an "alternate reality" at all like we are being led to believe

I REALLY REALLY hope U R right. That would be very lame IMO!
 
On a side note, recording a concept album based on LOST might be quite a cool idea!

Assumptions abound! As always with this show, watch yourself when using the words " . . . safe to assume . . . " or " . . . it's pretty obvious that . . . " I don't know why folks continue to figure that what they are thinking is obviously the answer.

I don't have a freaking clue what's going on right now, but I'm loving it.

I don't watch this show (the first episode was so boring), but maybe I should try again. It's fun just reading this topic which defeats the purpose of watching the show myself:P.

Rane


Assumptions abound! As always with this show, watch yourself when using the words " . . . safe to assume . . . " or " . . . it's pretty obvious that . . . " I don't know why folks continue to figure that what they are thinking is obviously the answer.

I don't have a freaking clue what's going on right now, but I'm loving it.

That's why I start all my posts with "farrr stretch" or something like that.  I don't know what the fuck is gonna happen, but my brain keeps making all of these random connection, and I have to post them to remember.  Maybe at the end of this season I'll tally up every correct theory I had haha

I guarantee.....just kidding Rane.....I think that the temple is 'home' for Smokey. He's ticked that he's somehow been ostracized from that community and that is why he is very disappointed with everyone and has vengance in his blood. I don't think that Jacob is dead so to speak, I mean he didn't look to concerned about it when he was talking with Hurley, maybe he did occupy Saiyds body, maybe he needs a body to occupy as opposed to Smokey who apparently can morph into anyone who has died. Whatever it may be I doubt we've seen the last of him as it looks like to me this is all just a game that he and Smokey have been playing over and over. I've been trying to understand the alternate reality thing and it really makes no sense, I like MP's thoery up until the point that someone already made that the 07' crew still has all thier accumulated memories like nothing happened but the time travel. What a freakin show!

Why was the water dirty and they (Asian leader and his interpreter) seemed surprised at this before immersing Sayid in it?   Must have happened while they went outside to see Jack etc. arriving at the temple. 
 
The Swan site looked more like the construction site and less like the implosion, yet you could see Desmonds excersize being removed from it while digging for Juliet.
 
If "it worked"... and the Losties from bizarro-2004 eventually wind up back at the island in 2007,  how could the island be underwater.   But then again, how could it disappear before their eyes.
 
Why did Desmond disappear after Jack saved Charlie?

Why was the water dirty and they (Asian leader and his interpreter) seemed surprised at this before immersing Sayid in it?   Must have happened while they went outside to see Jack etc. arriving at the temple. 

Maybe because Jacob is dead, the water is dirty.

Rad_Drummer

Why was the water dirty and they (Asian leader and his interpreter) seemed surprised at this before immersing Sayid in it?   Must have happened while they went outside to see Jack etc. arriving at the temple. 

Maybe because Jacob is dead, the water is dirty.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking. It actually looked like it had a redish tint to it, which could resemble muddy water or bloody water.

How do we even know that Jacob talking to Hurley was really Jacob. I do really think it was, but we really don't know for certain it was actually him.

Rane

Rad_Drummer

Why was the water dirty and they (Asian leader and his interpreter) seemed surprised at this before immersing Sayid in it?   Must have happened while they went outside to see Jack etc. arriving at the temple. 

Maybe because Jacob is dead, the water is dirty.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking. It actually looked like it had a redish tint to it, which could resemble muddy water or bloody water.

How do we even know that Jacob talking to Hurley was really Jacob. I do really think it was, but we really don't know for certain it was actually him.

But I think we can safely assume that it was the real Jacob who gave Hurley the plane ticket and guitar case.

Rane

How do we even know that Jacob talking to Hurley was really Jacob. I do really think it was, but we really don't know for certain it was actually him.

I don't think even if Smokey would have been impersonating Jacob that he would have known that Jacob gave Hurley that guitar case, and I also was thinking along the lines of you guys as to why the water was dirty....Jacob being murdered.
I was thinking also that the reason that Richard was telling everyone not to shoot Locke/Smokey is because he knew that he reacts to violence and fear, like some sort of animalistic instinct.

This show is insane! I don't understand how they are going to resolve all the time stuff. Plane in 2004, island underwater in 2004, looks like it has been there along time. Explosion, losties back in the "present", meaning the plane still crashed...but oh wait., Juliet said it worked. AHHWTFMINDEXPLOSION.

....

What I thought was that the reason why Jacob said it was crucial they kept Sayid alive was that if Sayid did die, then it would give someone for the MIB to get inside, hence the note saying they HAVE to keep him alive.
But then it seems kinda silly taking him to the Temple, If I was Jacob and the above was correct i'd say "Leave the Body here, and f***ing peg it to the temple!"

My two cents.

Just thinking about how Jacob gave that guitar case to Hurley before he got on the Airjeling(?) plane with the letter already embedded in the wooden artifact. Wouldn't that signify that Jacob was already anticipating Smokey finding a 'loophole' to murder him being that when asked by Hurley what the letter said they responded by saying if we don't save your friend we are all in trouble? I'm sure the letter in some way was letting them know that Smokey had 'made a good move' and that they best prepare to couterstrike. It would explain (or seem to) why Jacob didn't put up to great of resistance when Ben stabbed him. Just another thought to throw out there to simmer a bit in this stew of confusion.  

Yeah, I don't honestly think it wasn't Jacob, I'm just saying. ;)