"LOST" Season SIX/LAST season discussion (spoilers)

NDIrish50


The Kahana was a threat because Widmore is a threat.  Widmore's departure from the island let the pressure off of MIBs neck from under the proverbial hiking boots of Richard's cohorts, and the fact that Widmore did what was conceived to be impossible (finding the Island, and returning) means that the set of "rules" that are constantly referenced, whether real or not, are proved to be incorrect.

Widmore and Eloise are the only living people (that we know of) that are privy to knowing the intricacies of the conflict that is being waged on the island.  That is why Chucky W knew to bring the pylons with him, why he hunted down Desmond to return him to the place he promised he would never return to, and why Widmore's people are knowledgable about defending themselves against Smokey. 

all i'm saying is that Smokey didn't have anything to do with the destruction of the Kahana.  that much is obvious.

however, i really don't think Smokey and Widmore are enemies.

Bram was one of Jacob's bodyguards.  Jacob and Smokey are enemies.  Bram told Miles that if he went to work for Widmore, the wrong side was going to win the war.  so if Bram and Jacob are on the same side, Jacob and Smokey are on opposite sides and Bram and Widmore are on opposite sides, logic would dictate that Smokey and Widmore are at least both against Jacob, if not on the same team.

RocketSauce2112


all i know is that he apparently can't cross water.  and theres a considerable amount of water between the island and st. sebastian's.

Wait a minute!  Didn't Locke (smokey) and Sahid go to the other island?  Where Locke talked to Widmore on the beech, with the fence between them. And while Sahid was swimming around the dock (and saw them carrying Desmond out of the sub), Locke was back on the main island.

enchantgy

RocketSauce2112


all i know is that he apparently can't cross water Without a Boat.  and theres a considerable amount of water between the island and st. sebastian's.

Wait a minute!  Didn't Locke (smokey) and Sahid go to the other island?  Where Locke talked to Widmore on the beech, with the fence between them. And while Sahid was swimming around the dock (and saw them carrying Desmond out of the sub), Locke was back on the main island.

fixed

So apparently this is an april fool's joke, but the idea is pretty awesome.

Dharma Initiative Alarm clock:


http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/dharma-alarm-clock.shtml

Just too add a little more info to the conflict between Ben and Widmore. I posted several examples to show how some of the conflict probably started as well as some examples of how I think Ben has/had been manipulated by MIB which resulted in Ben making some mistakes. I think Ben has an affinity for children. His love for Alex and then his reluctance to kill Penny because of she and Desmond having a son. I can only guess that at some point MIB started manipulating Ben by using for example Alex's ghost. Ben was also seeing visions of his mother not long after he and Roger arrived on the island. It would make sense for Ben to be a bit trusting of certain people especially having never spoke with Jacob or seen him. Richard has always said that no one can speak to Jacob unless he invites them via Richard. So, Ben taking Locke to the cabin probably knowing that Jacob really wasn't there, then Locke hears something, all hell breaks loose, and Ben is freaked out because something or someone was in the Cabin. If Ben actually thought it was Jacob and he was pissed because he spoke to Locke, having never spoken to him, Ben shoots Locke as you will read below. It seems to me that it could be another way of MIB manipulating Ben to use him. Who knows MIB could have Ben manipulating both Ben and Widmore to go against each other. Widmore could have been manipulated by MIB telling him to send Ben to Kill Danielle and Alex. Perhaps Ben and Widmore will come to terms with each other and join forces to help defeat MIB. 

Seeing how Desmond comes into play is going to be awesome.

In 1988, Ben kidnaps Alex as a baby from her mother Danielle Rousseau, whose life he spares. Before leaving, Ben tells Rousseau to run the other direction if she hears whispers. 
He returns to the Others' camp with the baby, which disappoints their  
leader, Charles Widmore, who wanted Ben to kill both mother and daughter. 
Some time later, Charles is banished from the island for breaking the rules by leaving the island frequently and fathering a daughter with an outsider. 
Before he leaves the island by submarine, Charles tells Ben that Ben will ultimately be banished as well, because he was unable to sacrifice Alex's life.



Ben claims Widmore has "changed the rules", then summons the smoke monster to attack the mercenaries. He then leaves with Locke and Hurley to communicate with Jacob.



As Ben fails to find the Monster at his house, Locke, knowing the location of its lair, heads to the Temple with Ben and Sun. Ben and Locke enter a series of tunnels beneath the Temple while Sun waits outside the entrance. Suddenly, he falls through the floor, and Locke leaves to get something that he can pull him up with. The Monster flows out of a grate below the picture and surrounds Ben, showing flashes of decisions he made in his life involving Alex. It flows back into the monument without harming Ben. Moments later, Alex appears and pushes Ben against a wall. She says she knows Ben is planning to kill Locke again, and if he does she will hunt him down and destroy him. She orders him to follow Locke and do whatever he asks, then disappears. 



After Ben regains consciousness and finds Locke to be alive, he is visibly surprised but able to convince John he knew that bringing him to the island would resurrect him, and that he stopped Locke's suicide attempt merely to gain information. He tells Locke that he was trying to reach the main island to be "judged" by the Monster, having broken the "rules" by returning to the island, though Locke later comments it is for killing his daughter. Locke travels with Ben, taking a second boat.



When Ben discovers Locke can hear Jacob, he shoots Locke and leaves him for dead.



In 1977, Ben, at the time a twelve-year-old boy living with the Dharma Initiative, is brought to the Others to be healed. Richard allows the boy to be healed, despite knowing that Charles will not be pleased with his decision, stating that he does not answer to Charles. Charles, who is now the Others' leader, later visits Ben and informs him that he is now an Other, even though he must go back to living with his abusive father at the Dharma Initiative. Sometime after this incident, Charles and Eloise Hawking have a child, Daniel Faraday, who is raised off-island.

As he grows older, Charles begins to fall out of favor with the Others. In 1988, he orders the execution of Danielle Rousseau, to be carried out by Ben. Ben is unable to kill Rousseau when he discovers that she has recently given birth. Ben abducts the infant, Alex, without killing Danielle, and returns to the Others. Charles is furious, having expected Ben to kill both Danielle and the child. Ben claims that Charles isn't following Jacob's will, and forces him to back down by insisting he kill Alex personally.
In 1992, following increased conflict between the Others and the Dharma Initiative, the Others purge the island of the Dharma folk by releasing poisonous gas at Dharma's barracks. The Others subsequently move into the barracks. It is during this time that Charles is banished from the island as punishment for repeatedly leaving the island and fathering a child, Penelope "Penny" Widmore, with an "outsider." Charles tells Ben, the Others' new leader, that one day he would have to choose between Alex, now his adopted daughter, and the island.

BigBrainBrad


Just too add a little more info to the conflict between Ben and Widmore. I posted several examples to show how some of the conflict probably started as well as some examples of how I think Ben has/had been manipulated by MIB which resulted in Ben making some mistakes. I think Ben has an affinity for children. His love for Alex and then his reluctance to kill Penny because of she and Desmond having a son. I can only guess that at some point MIB started manipulating Ben by using for example Alex's ghost. Ben was also seeing visions of his mother not long after he and Roger arrived on the island. It would make sense for Ben to be a bit trusting of certain people especially having never spoke with Jacob or seen him. Richard has always said that no one can speak to Jacob unless he invites them via Richard. So, Ben taking Locke to the cabin probably knowing that Jacob really wasn't there, then Locke hears something, all hell breaks loose, and Ben is freaked out because something or someone was in the Cabin. If Ben actually thought it was Jacob and he was pissed because he spoke to Locke, having never spoken to him, Ben shoots Locke as you will read below. It seems to me that it could be another way of MIB manipulating Ben to use him. Who knows MIB could have Ben manipulating both Ben and Widmore to go against each other. Widmore could have been manipulated by MIB telling him to send Ben to Kill Danielle and Alex. Perhaps Ben and Widmore will come to terms with each other and join forces to help defeat MIB. 

Seeing how Desmond comes into play is going to be awesome.

In 1988, Ben kidnaps Alex as a baby from her mother Danielle Rousseau, whose life he spares. Before leaving, Ben tells Rousseau to run the other direction if she hears whispers. 
He returns to the Others' camp with the baby, which disappoints their  
leader, Charles Widmore, who wanted Ben to kill both mother and daughter. 
Some time later, Charles is banished from the island for breaking the rules by leaving the island frequently and fathering a daughter with an outsider. 
Before he leaves the island by submarine, Charles tells Ben that Ben will ultimately be banished as well, because he was unable to sacrifice Alex's life.



Ben claims Widmore has "changed the rules", then summons the smoke monster to attack the mercenaries. He then leaves with Locke and Hurley to communicate with Jacob.



As Ben fails to find the Monster at his house, Locke, knowing the location of its lair, heads to the Temple with Ben and Sun. Ben and Locke enter a series of tunnels beneath the Temple while Sun waits outside the entrance. Suddenly, he falls through the floor, and Locke leaves to get something that he can pull him up with. The Monster flows out of a grate below the picture and surrounds Ben, showing flashes of decisions he made in his life involving Alex. It flows back into the monument without harming Ben. Moments later, Alex appears and pushes Ben against a wall. She says she knows Ben is planning to kill Locke again, and if he does she will hunt him down and destroy him. She orders him to follow Locke and do whatever he asks, then disappears. 



After Ben regains consciousness and finds Locke to be alive, he is visibly surprised but able to convince John he knew that bringing him to the island would resurrect him, and that he stopped Locke's suicide attempt merely to gain information. He tells Locke that he was trying to reach the main island to be "judged" by the Monster, having broken the "rules" by returning to the island, though Locke later comments it is for killing his daughter. Locke travels with Ben, taking a second boat.



When Ben discovers Locke can hear Jacob, he shoots Locke and leaves him for dead.



In 1977, Ben, at the time a twelve-year-old boy living with the Dharma Initiative, is brought to the Others to be healed. Richard allows the boy to be healed, despite knowing that Charles will not be pleased with his decision, stating that he does not answer to Charles. Charles, who is now the Others' leader, later visits Ben and informs him that he is now an Other, even though he must go back to living with his abusive father at the Dharma Initiative. Sometime after this incident, Charles and Eloise Hawking have a child, Daniel Faraday, who is raised off-island.

As he grows older, Charles begins to fall out of favor with the Others. In 1988, he orders the execution of Danielle Rousseau, to be carried out by Ben. Ben is unable to kill Rousseau when he discovers that she has recently given birth. Ben abducts the infant, Alex, without killing Danielle, and returns to the Others. Charles is furious, having expected Ben to kill both Danielle and the child. Ben claims that Charles isn't following Jacob's will, and forces him to back down by insisting he kill Alex personally.
In 1992, following increased conflict between the Others and the Dharma Initiative, the Others purge the island of the Dharma folk by releasing poisonous gas at Dharma's barracks. The Others subsequently move into the barracks. It is during this time that Charles is banished from the island as punishment for repeatedly leaving the island and fathering a child, Penelope "Penny" Widmore, with an "outsider." Charles tells Ben, the Others' new leader, that one day he would have to choose between Alex, now his adopted daughter, and the island.

And?

RocketSauce2112

BigBrainBrad

And?

I was just trying to provide a little insight into what could have been the basis for the conflict between Ben and Widmore as well as a different look at Ben's character. 

And? And What? Is there an issue with the fact that I'm am just trying to participate in the discussion? Trying to offer a little insight for those that might want to read what I theorize or help add to there own theories. 


The fact that I'm replying to this is about as pointless as your post. If you disagree with what I have to say in regards to this Thread then you have the choice to read or not read. You are more than welcome to have an opinion whether you like or dislike what I post. Was it really necessary to even post that? Please, feel free to offer an objective critique as it pertains to this thread. If you feel like I posted a bunch of rubbish then so be it. I have that right! If you would like to clarify what I posted, so that it is more useful to this discussion, then you are more than welcome to do that too (not too sound like I am giving permission). There are a lot of other forumers who post some very interesting theories and facts. It only adds to my enjoyment of the show. It keeps me open minded to possibilities and things that I may not have thought of. Now, hopefully this doesn't tarnish the thread and we can all continue in a peaceful discussion. 

BigBrainBrad

RocketSauce2112

BigBrainBrad

And?

I was just trying to provide a little insight into what could have been the basis for the conflict between Ben and Widmore as well as a different look at Ben's character. 

And? And What? Is there an issue with the fact that I'm am just trying to participate in the discussion? Trying to offer a little insight for those that might want to read what I theorize or help add to there own theories. 


The fact that I'm replying to this is about as pointless as your post. If you disagree with what I have to say in regards to this Thread then you have the choice to read or not read. You are more than welcome to have an opinion whether you like or dislike what I post. Was it really necessary to even post that? Please, feel free to offer an objective critique as it pertains to this thread. If you feel like I posted a bunch of rubbish then so be it. I have that right! If you would like to clarify what I posted, so that it is more useful to this discussion, then you are more than welcome to do that too (not too sound like I am giving permission). There are a lot of other forumers who post some very interesting theories and facts. It only adds to my enjoyment of the show. It keeps me open minded to possibilities and things that I may not have thought of. Now, hopefully this doesn't tarnish the thread and we can all continue in a peaceful discussion. 

no way it had nothing to do with not wanting to hear your opinion, i just didnt see any opinion past the first paragraph.  it just looked like you told us stuff that had already happened, as if from lostpedia or something.  you gave us all this empirical information without offering any ideas of your own.

Des episode tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Plus, credits show Faraday, Charlie, and Hawking.  Should be a trouser-filler :)

wooooooooooo

RocketSauce: Smokey did wanted the Kahanna to explode. Remember when Michael was preventing the Kahanna from getting destroyed at the Season 4 finale (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Michael)? Guess who was the guy that showed up right before the Kahanna went straight to hell?

It was THIS guy:




Since he was dead before all the events in the Island involving the passengers of Oceanic 815 ever took place, I'm pretty much he is Smokey. Hence, Smokey was partly behind the explosion of the Kahanna.

I don't think Christian is smokey. I'm not sure who or what he is yet, but I don't think he is the MIB.

dfrantz


Des episode tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Plus, credits show Faraday, Charlie, and Hawking.  Should be a trouser-filler :)

cmonnn...atleast say "spoilers" in your post

Raymitox


RocketSauce: Smokey did wanted the Kahanna to explode. Remember when Michael was preventing the Kahanna from getting destroyed at the Season 4 finale (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Michael)? Guess who was the guy that showed up right before the Kahanna went straight to hell?

It was THIS guy:




Since he was dead before all the events in the Island involving the passengers of Oceanic 815 ever took place, I'm pretty much he is Smokey. Hence, Smokey was partly behind the explosion of the Kahanna.

Keamy is wearing a dead man's switch which will trigger a C4 bomb aboard the Kahana to explode as soon as it no longer senses his heart rate.

Michael decides to use liquid nitrogen to cool down the battery so that when triggered, as long as the battery is cold, the bomb will not explode.

Ben kills Keamy.

The liquid nitrogen runs out, and the battery heats back up enough so that the bomb explodes.


no matter who the guy appearing as Christian is, he had nothing to do with the Kahana's explosion.  the only reason he was there was to tie up Michael's storyline about him trying to kill himself and the Island not letting him.  Michael's job was to make sure everyone who was on the Kahana that was supposed to live lived, and he did that.  as soon as he was done, and as soon as the bomb was able to explode and kill him (think about it like the dynamite with Richard and Jack in "Dr. Linus"), Michael was allowed to die, and Christian was merely there to tell him that.

and once again, as we just learned in "The Package", smokey can't cross water without the aid of a boat.  do you think he used a boat to get to the Kahana to appear to Michael as Christian?  i severely doubt that.

Rustinpeace21

dfrantz


Des episode tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Plus, credits show Faraday, Charlie, and Hawking.  Should be a trouser-filler :)

cmonnn...atleast say "spoilers" in your post

The thread title says "spoilers."  At this point, no one should be reading this thread if they want to stay spoiler-free for the rest of the season.

I agree w/RocketSauce's post.  I don't think Christian was Smokey since it's been established that he can't cross water in smoke form.  I'm very interested in how they tie together the Christian story since he's been appearing and walking around since season 1 and we still don't know what the deal is.

And who do you think John Locke and every other character referred to when they were talking about "the Island" not letting them die?

Think about this for a minute (I could be wrong on this one):

a) Smokey has been manipulating John from who knows how long, whether it was to move the Island so that Widmore couldn´t find it, to find the Hatch... every one of those events were manipulations of "the Island". Since Jacob´s wish was not to directly interfere in the lives of the people living on the Island except for the Others, Smokey was the only one with an interest in telling people what to do through the Island schtick. And he has a motive: he wants to get the hell out of there.

b) If Michael died, he wouldn´t have been able to serve as Ben´s spy on the Kahanna. This was all in Smokey´s interest (without Ben knowing it, of course), since Michael was in charge of blowing up the Kahanna anyway. Smokey´s small contribution was to manipulate events so that the explosion happend at the time he wanted.

I admit though that my theory has a hole, wish is the whole "I can transform in smoke but I can´t cross the water" thing.

pretty sure there was a disagreement about posting upcoming spoilers a few pages ago. Yea this thread is a spoiler if you havent watched any episodes and decide to start reading it...But very rarely have people posted upcoming spoilers, and when they do its usually in purple font...obviously its a desmond episode coming up...but i had no clue about faraday and charlie

Raymitox


And who do you think John Locke and every other character referred to when they were talking about "the Island" not letting them die?

Think about this for a minute (I could be wrong on this one):

a) Smokey has been manipulating John from who knows how long, whether it was to move the Island so that Widmore couldn´t find it, to find the Hatch... every one of those events were manipulations of "the Island". Since Jacob´s wish was not to directly interfere in the lives of the people living on the Island except for the Others, Smokey was the only one with an interest in telling people what to do through the Island schtick. And he has a motive: he wants to get the hell out of there.

b) If Michael died, he wouldn´t have been able to serve as Ben´s spy on the Kahanna. This was all in Smokey´s interest (without Ben knowing it, of course), since Michael was in charge of blowing up the Kahanna anyway. Smokey´s small contribution was to manipulate events so that the explosion happend at the time he wanted.

I admit though that my theory has a hole, wish is the whole "I can transform in smoke but I can´t cross the water" thing.

my only points that i've been trying to prove to you are

1. Christian isn't necessarily Smokey (and in my opinion probably isn't), as it hasn't been confirmed or denied by anyone yet.

2. Smokey had nothing to do with the explosion on the Kahana.

give me a SPECIFIC event that proves smokey had something to do with the explosion of the freighter, not just "manipulating John from who knows how long" (which, by the way, i don't see how Smokey manipulated John into finding the hatch.  he and Boone had been looking for Ethan's trail when they found it).

and, when jack and richard were talking about not being able to die, they didn't say "the island", they were talking about jacob.

i think that "the Island" and "Smokey" have different desires.  saying to Desmond that "the Island isnt through with you yet" is not saying "Smokey isn't through with you yet".  Smokey doesn't have reaches outside of the physical island.  Jacob's job is to keep him (if he was in fact referring to Smokey when he was talking about the evil in the wine bottle) from influencing the outside world.  Smokey can't keep Michael from dying off-Island because he has no influence on him once he's gone.  if he could just do whatever he wanted to people off-Island he could've just turned into a dead spider and killed Widmore before he could send the Kahana.  he could've turned into Widmore's dead mommy and told him "DON'T COME BACK TO THE ISLAND OR ELSE I WILL NEVER LOVE YOU AGAIN".

Christian has appeared several times to people that didn't know him in life.  Hurley, Miles, Aaron, Michael, Sun and Frank have all met him post-death.  in my memory i can't think of anyone Smokey has turned into that the person he's appearing for didn't know.  he appeared to Ben as his mother and as Alex, he appeared to Eko as Yemi, he appeared to the Others as Locke, he appeared to Richard as Isabella.  

i also feel like the way he acts and the way Christian acts seem very different.  he seems to be able to exist at the same time as Smokey as well.  on day 6, Jack was looking at Christian when he heard the Smoke monster.  after the return of the Oceanic 6, Smokey (as Locke) was with Ben in the infirmary on Hydra island when Christian was with Sun and Frank at the barracks.  Smokey (as Yemi) said to Eko "You speak to me as if i were your brother", and Christian said to Locke "Say hello to my son for me", talking about Jack.  and as i said before, Claire, having been on the Island for three years, has had interaction with Smokey and Christian several times.  assuming Smokey can only take the form of dead people (since thats all we've seen), Claire has seen him in forms other than Locke for a while.  she instantly recognized Locke as "my friend", but seemed to think Christian was "my father".

since Ilana said that Smokey is stuck in Locke's form now, if we see Christian again this'll be settled.

I wouldn't be surpirsed if the "Smokey can't cross water" thing was invented for the last episode and that it is an inconsitency with previous episodes.  I think Christian was MIB all along, and until I see Christian on the island again or something proves me wrong I will continue to belive it.  We haven't seen him in a long time, and as far as I know the LAST time we saw him was with Claire near the end of season 4, right?  After she had run off to go crazy.  She was pals with Christian and remains pals with Not Locke.  Case closed (to me, anyway) - Christian was MiB, and the fact that he appeared on the Kahanna was because the writers hadn't realized they needed to restrict Smokey's movements.  The writers are good, but I don't think we can expect the details to remain completely air tight.  I see that as an "oops."

I think the last time Christian appeared was when Frank, Sun, and Ben were exploring Hydra island after the Ajira plane landed.  They were at a building and a light came on inside and you could see Christian walking around in there.  Early season 5, maybe?

Nortpoy


I wouldn't be surpirsed if the "Smokey can't cross water" thing was invented for the last episode and that it is an inconsitency with previous episodes.  I think Christian was MIB all along, and until I see Christian on the island again or something proves me wrong I will continue to belive it.  We haven't seen him in a long time, and as far as I know the LAST time we saw him was with Claire near the end of season 4, right?  After she had run off to go crazy.  She was pals with Christian and remains pals with Not Locke.  Case closed (to me, anyway) - Christian was MiB, and the fact that he appeared on the Kahanna was because the writers hadn't realized they needed to restrict Smokey's movements.  The writers are good, but I don't think we can expect the details to remain completely air tight.  I see that as an "oops."

he was in the frozen donkey wheel chamber at the beginning of season 5, and he was with Sun and Frank at the barracks in 2007.

i could see that the writers invented the movement restriction more recently, totally, but once i realized that Smokey (as Locke) was with Ben on Hydra island while Christian was with Frank and Sun at the barracks... THAT i wouldn't forgive the writers for "oops"ing.

Hwangman


I think the last time Christian appeared was when Frank, Sun, and Ben were exploring Hydra island after the Ajira plane landed.  They were at a building and a light came on inside and you could see Christian walking around in there.  Early season 5, maybe?

Later Sun and Frank actually spoke to Christian in Dharmaville, remember?   He showed them the picture form the 70s with their friends on it.

Ah yes, good call.

OK, I admit you caught me with my pants down on that one. 

Tonight's episode was simply spectacular!!!! 

SPOILER ALERT!

So is Desmond, um.... reality hopping?  Or, um time traveling still?  Charlie, and Faraday, and Ms. Hawking seem to have a grasp about what's going on... 

Best. Show. Ever.

willyz


Tonight's episode was simply spectacular!!!! 

SPOILER ALERT!

So is Desmond, um.... reality hopping?  Or, um time traveling still?  Charlie, and Faraday, and Ms. Hawking seem to have a grasp about what's going on... 

I think he's going back and forth again like he did before in Flashes Before Your
Eyes.  Very good episode, and odd that after he was so calm with Widmore that he went with Sayid so easily. 

What an awesome episode. I always love the Desmond centered episodes. I have to watch that one again, there was so much going on. I remember a couple of times I think that Desmond was between times. Once in the helicopter when getting off the island. Once in a phone booth outside of a prison I think.

What craziness, nice to see Faraday back.

Holy shit that was incredible.    Touché mr Lindelof, the conversation has indeed changed.    I think Widmore(origninal timeline) wants to prevent the the alternate timeline from becoming "real" because they will all cease to exist if that happens.

Good to see Charlie on the show tonight. Great episode, I've always like Desmond's character.

I'm thinking that Sayid will help MiB until the end when his alternate reality kicks in and helps him feel love again (or any emotion).

spocks_brow


I'm thinking that Sayid will help MiB until the end when his alternate reality kicks in and helps him feel love again (or any emotion).

Interesting theory, though I have a feeling Sayid's death has been foreshadowed for a while now...

That scene when Charlie put his hand up on the car window while underwater was chilling.

Another incredible episode.

Awesome episode!
Although I'm quite confused with so many stuff regarding Desmond.

Refresh my memory, but he wasn't on the island when they blew the bomb...so after it was detonated he kinda went 'into limbo' and then it happened the "alternate life" when he flies on Oceanic 815 and then meets Penny. (old this flashsideways happening on this last episode).
But the confusing part is...didn't he already knew Penny and wasn't on the best terms with Mr.Wildmore before Oceanic 815 took off (even that he wasn't originally on the plane).

Oh help me, as with LOST there's so much to digest that so many things come off right after the next season.

While he wasn't there for the bomb, it was the hatch exploding that caused him to be so fucked.

Huck


While he wasn't there for the bomb, it was the hatch exploding that caused him to be so fucked.

Yes, I remember that part.
But...he wasn't on the island when they detonated the bomb...though he was somewhere...and he was affected by that detonation, so that he had to live an "alternate life"...
or how was he affected by the blew of the bomb?

I'm guessing that Desmond doesn't want the other "reality" and is willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that the current reality he is in continues.

On a side note: The scene where Charlie and Desmond were driving along a marina, was right behind the hotel we stayed in in February.  (The Ilikai in Waikiki)  The stadium where Penny was running was the Aloha Stadium in Honolulu :-)

Was cool to recognize some of the scenery :-)
(the pillars they drove by just before Charlie took the wheel)
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=21.284061,-157.839208&spn=0,359.996615&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=21.283572,-157.839245&panoid=drtnzD-nYWvoTq8Y3LHXxw&cbp=12,18.57,,2,0.79

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zoso


didn't he already know Penny and wasn't on the best terms with Mr.Wildmore before Oceanic 815 took off (even that he wasn't originally on the plane).

this is a completely different reality i think...not just what would happen if the 815 didn't crash.


tonight's episode blew my mind and reminded me why this is the greatest show EVER

My question is how did Widimore know when to come to the island with Desmond? The last thing that Desmond remembers is being shot by Ben. Therefore, he was in the regular timeline en route to island before Juliet detonated the bomb. Therefore, Widimore must have had prior knowledge that he needed to go to the Island before it was "destroyed". I think Eloise is a seer and is aware of ALL possible outcomes related to the island.

I enjoyed seeing Faraday again and being his typical geeky self. Excellent episode.