"LOST" Season SIX/LAST season discussion (spoilers)

goncalo_viola


How could Jacob consider Ben a friend if they never met?

Personally, I thought "the friend" that Jacob was referring to was the MiB. I know MiB/Locke didn't physically wield the knife, but he definitely had a large hand in pushing Ben to do it.

But I suppose he might also have meant Ben. Ben was on the island for most of his life... and even if he never saw Jacob directly, he lived his life (supposedly?) following Jacob's commands passed to him through Richard. So in that sense, Jacob could consider him a friend in the sense of a long time loyal subject or follower or whatever.

*shrug* After last week's show, I think I've FINALLY convinced myself that no matter how much I think or theorize or ponder, I'm never going to figure it out, so I may as well just hang back and enjoy the ride.

He was obviously referring to his nemesis, imo.

When will the next episode be aired?

Tonight in USA at 9/8c.  Depends where you live.

GREAT EPISODE!

Don't tell me what I can't do!

Looks like old mib  there still has some Jonh Locke left in 'im.  And how fucking scared did Richard Look?   That in itself is a sign something is very, very wrong indeed.

The numbers have a meaning.
It's not completely explained, but my life is partially complete.

Wow! Some questions answered in the cave.

We know what (who) the number are. MiB needs one of the candidates to get off the island.

So I guess a (big?) part of this season will be whittling down the list of candidates until we get one that will either take over or leave with MiB.

yeah, loved tonight's episode... great acting all around

loved the not-locke tossing the white stone... some number action again... 

I do think the show has dumbed down a little bit, in the past, they would have showed like 3 seconds of the wall with the names on it... tonight, they like showed 'em real quick, but then went back and recapped them one by one explaining who they are with the number and blah blah...  not complaining... just an observation. 

after the first couple episodes of re-orienting us to watching lost again, we're on the path to the end now!  

So finally some reasoning behind the numbers are revealed. So when Desmond almost didn't type out the numbers the first time, it brought those people with those numbers to the island. Mib and Jacob are playing some eternal battle I guess for whatever..power/supremacy/domination...etc...

I'm interested to see where the storyline of them not crashing on the island goes. I wonder if that's the sequence of events that set up mib becoming free and returning to normal. Who knows.

I wonder if that little blond kid was jacob or maybe some arbitrator that overlooks the rules of the duel these two are engaged in.

Good episode.

MattyMo


I do think the show has dumbed down a little bit, in the past, they would have showed like 3 seconds of the wall with the names on it... tonight, they like showed 'em real quick, but then went back and recapped them one by one explaining who they are with the number and blah blah...  not complaining... just an observation. 

 
That thought also crossed my mind,  showing the flashbacks from last season's finale of Jacob meeting everyone was some exposition which I don't think many lost fans needed since they'd probably know already lol.

I also wonder if mib is using/manipulating Sawyer just in the same way Jacob maneuvered to get people on the island. Which makes both Jacob and mib sort of echoing each others actions though for different gains.

faizoff


I wonder if that little blond kid was jacob or maybe some arbitrator that overlooks the rules of the duel these two are engaged in.

He looked like little Sawyer to me, but I'm not sure on that.

I also wonder why Sawyer could see him and Richard couldn't.

i think "him" (the one the kid said smokey can't kill) is Sawyer (and, probably, the rest of the "candidates").

interestingly, there are other names written on jacob's wall that are crossed out... Littleton, Pace, Pickett, Lewis, and Troup just to name a few.

a question i'm asking myself about the flash-sideways is that if helen and john are still together, and she wants him to come to the wedding, they must have a good relationship... so why is locke paralyzed?

man i'd hate to be frank right now.  he must just be like "what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck"

did anyone catch the Rush reference? :D

spocks_brow

faizoff


I wonder if that little blond kid was jacob or maybe some arbitrator that overlooks the rules of the duel these two are engaged in.

He looked like little Sawyer to me, but I'm not sure on that.

I also wonder why Sawyer could see him and Richard couldn't.

probably because richard isn't a candidate?  im assuming that whoever becomes jacob's replacement will inherit his "powers" or something.  they probably are starting to have small amounts of it since jacob is dead.

RocketSauce2112


a question i'm asking myself about the flash-sideways is that if helen and john are still together, and she wants him to come to the wedding, they must have a good relationship... so why is locke paralyzed?

I assume you are talking about his father.  Maybe they do have a good relationship in this timeline and he didn't get pushed out of an 8-story window.  There is the whole "course-correction" theme that could be at play.  Perhaps he was "destined" to be paralyzed similarly to Rose still having cancer, Claire being pregnant and so on.  He could have been in a bad car crash, fell down some stairs, or even was born with it - he was born several weeks early, surely some complications could arise.  Course-correction and destiny aside, Randy Nations is still a douche.  



Overall I loved the episode, but it went by so fast.  It almost felt like way more happened and was revealed than it appeared.  


Is it next Tuesday yet.

totalfusion5

RocketSauce2112


a question i'm asking myself about the flash-sideways is that if helen and john are still together, and she wants him to come to the wedding, they must have a good relationship... so why is locke paralyzed?

I assume you are talking about his father.  Maybe they do have a good relationship in this timeline and he didn't get pushed out of an 8-story window.  There is the whole "course-correction" theme that could be at play.  Perhaps he was "destined" to be paralyzed similarly to Rose still having cancer, Claire being pregnant and so on.  He could have been in a bad car crash, fell down some stairs, or even was born with it - he was born several weeks early, surely some complications could arise.  Course-correction and destiny aside, Randy Nations is still a douche.  



Overall I loved the episode, but it went by so fast.  It almost felt like way more happened and was revealed than it appeared.  


Is it next Tuesday yet.

well yeah obviously it didnt happen the way it happened originally.  UNLESS the "your father" helen is talking about may be one of his foster parents.  claire being pregnant and rose having cancer (as far as we know) didnt happen a different way.  she still went to LA to give him up, so thomas still left her (as far as we know), and her cancer still exists.

the question i have to ask myself is what effect would the island not existing in 1977 have to do with anthony cooper NOT being an asshole?  without getting too abstract with the butterfly effect (as in "richard didnt visit locke in the hospital, which changed x which changed y which changed z so anthony cooper is now nice), how is he affected?

we don't know how old he is (emily locke's mother said cooper was "twice her age" when she was fifteen, which would've made him 80 when sawyer killed him... obviously an exaggeration), but he was obviously born and lived a decent amount of his life before the island sunk.  if we assume he was 70 when he died, he was already 43 when the island sank.  john locke was 21.  anthony cooper pulled the con on sawyer's parents in 1976.  from the looks of it, nothing fundamental in cooper's life changed.  the next thing we know about cooper after 1976 is several years later when he got emily locke to help him con locke into giving him his kidney.

its very curious.

by the way, did anyone else get upset when helen tore up jack's business card?  i was hoping, to go along with the "course-correct" theory of how locke became paralyzed, that jack would fix him.

a load of people think that jack is going to be the true savior of the island.  im kind of with them now that his name is on jacob's wall.

4-Locke, 8-Reyes, 15-Ford, 16-Jarrah, 23-Shephard, 42-Kwon
 

 
 

Portnoy


4-Locke, 8-Reyes, 15-Ford, 16-Jarrah, 23-Shephard, 42-Kwon
 

 
 

Fixed!

Great episode.  I thought Sawyer was hilarious, Ben giving Locke's eulogy was really funny and Richard acting like a scared little girl was great as well.
A few questions raised by this episode are:
Why was Kate not mentioned inside the cave(maybe she isn't a candidate).
How could Ben be off the island?  He was already on the island in '77.

I'm a little annoyed that it took us a long time to find out why Locke was in a wheelchair and now that it seems that he and his father are on good terms, it becomes a mystery again.

I like how it seems that they are doing the character stories in the same order as season 1.

Portnoy


4-Locke, 8-Reyes, 15-Ford, 16-Jarrah, 23-Shephard, 42-Kwon
 

 
 

Wow! I can't believe I never thought of that... that sequence has to have some relevance!
Well done Mike!.... again.

I'm curious why Kate's name wasn't one of the numbers, since Jacob obviously touched her... and the other Kwon.  Perhaps it has to be a man?

Just a couple more thoughts to add to this cauldron of speculation and pontification:

- Does the correlation of the #'s and those they represent foreshadow and order of death?
  Locke was first at #4 and he is now dead, will Hurley bite the bullet soon?
- For as frightened as Richard was I believe Flocke (False Locke) was just as frightened when
  he noticed the young boy. It may not have been as apparent and obvious as say Richards  
  fear but his demeanor did obviously change and being that he 'has no fear' like Sawyer
  mentioned the smallest of indications by FLocke would seem to represent a very large
  concern given the level of conciousness he is living on at the moment.
- And with that the speculation on who the boy represents can now begin. As has been
  mentioned, is it a young Jacob born and growing (rapidly) again after his murder which
  could explain this eternal struggle the two are locked in. No matter what they are
  connected to each other forever like dark and light, good and evil....the yen and the yang
  Or is he as faizoff postulates a moderator or rule keeper of sorts, or even a young Sawyer?
- It was interesting to learn MIB can no longer take form in anyone elses body that he
  is 'stuck' with Locke's image.
- I still believe Locke and Jack will meet up 'coincedenlty' in the flash sideways and Jack will 
  fix Locke.
- European Teacher Ben is going to be great. The way he berrated everyone about the
  coffee was to anyone who works in an office environment, very familiar and comical. I'm just
  wondering if they will then reveal he is a serial killer with a 'Silence of the Lambs' type
  basement at his house.

Awesome episode and if it's any indication of what's to come then the season should more than satisfy. It makes me sad that this is coming to an end:(

Chosen


I'm curious why Kate's name wasn't one of the numbers, since Jacob obviously touched her... and the other Kwon.  Perhaps it has to be a man?

Then why "touch" her and have her on the Island in the first place if she isn't a "candidate"? Head explodes!

MattyMo


I do think the show has dumbed down a little bit, in the past, they would have showed like 3 seconds of the wall with the names on it... tonight, they like showed 'em real quick, but then went back and recapped them one by one explaining who they are with the number and blah blah...  not complaining... just an observation. 

 
It's called running out of time!

That Kate thing is probably because of her tendency to escape. She seems not to like being stocked in one place for long, so Jacob knows that, if she´s in command, she´ll try her best to get away.

Another thought I had was with Ilana taking some of Jacobs ashes.  Maybe Jacob has died before and the ashes that the others are always spreading to protect themselves are from Jacobs previous bodies.

That would partly explain why MIB couldn´t kill him.

RocketSauce2112


did anyone catch the Rush reference? :D

No.  Care to elaborate?
 
But I did hear Fake Locke say to Sawyer "I know what it's like to lose someone you love"  and I started singing Through Her Eyes.

Could be Arron, considering they explained that Walt aged quicker on the island, although this is very unlikely

RocketSauce2112

did anyone catch the Rush reference? :D

Jacob's Ladder?

Did anyone happen to catch the number that was next to Kate's name? I saw Austen wrote there but never caught the number and I forgot to DVR it.

lukebuckland


Could be Arron, considering they explained that Walt aged quicker on the island, although this is very unlikely

Hmm that's interesting. With Claire being on the island, it can give rise to that possibility. And Claire so far presumed to be taken by the 'sickness' I guess it's possible.

I'll have to watch that last part again to see if there are any other names that might be familiar on the walls.

gmillerdrake


Just a couple more thoughts to add to this cauldron of speculation and pontification:

- Does the correlation of the #'s and those they represent foreshadow and order of death?
  Locke was first at #4 and he is now dead, will Hurley bite the bullet soon?

I guess this also brings in the discussion of the two sides (Jacob & Mib) and their purpose. Jacob seems to be selecting and recruiting candidate to bring on the island. MIB crossed out Locke's name, not sure if all the other names that were crossed out were done so by MIB at this point.

The inside joke with the scale balance with a white rock and a black rock might be alluding to the balance the 2 bring to the island with Jacob bringing people to the island and mib (probably) getting rid of them. I guess Richard foreshadowed that somewhat when telling Sawyer that MIB isn't there to help you or answer your questions. With MIB throwing the white rock I guess it's MIB's turn to be dominating now.

faizoff





The inside joke with the scale balance with a white rock and a black rock might be alluding to the balance the 2 bring to the island with Jacob bringing people to the island and mib (probably) getting rid of them. I guess Richard foreshadowed that somewhat when telling Sawyer that MIB isn't there to help you or answer your questions. With MIB throwing the white rock I guess it's MIB's turn to be dominating now.

Yeah I thought the scene with the scale and the white/black rocks symbolized more than the inside joke that MIB elluded to. It very well could be the physical representation of power on the island like you said. I still find it hard to believe that Jacob is completely out of the picture. With the ashes, the young boy, Hurley seeing him or something we have yet to be exposed to he somehow is still playing this game with MIB. I to was thinking that Jacob has been writing the names and MIB has been crossing them off.

Did anyone else catch the picture of Desmond and Nadia behind Locke in Rose's office? 

willyz


Did anyone else catch the picture of Desmond and Nadia behind Locke in Rose's office? 

Will have to look out for that when I watch it again. Nice catch.

willyz


Did anyone else catch the picture of Desmond and Nadia behind Locke in Rose's office? 

I actually noticed it and kinda blew it off. It looks like Desmond a bit, but I wasn't sure if it was actually him or a look alike.
I went back and just watched that scene again and I still feel the same way. It could possibly be him, but also maybe not haha

willyz


Did anyone else catch the picture of Desmond and Nadia behind Locke in Rose's office? 

Also, Locke had a picture of he and his father, Anthony Cooper, on his desk at the box office... hehe

Just a thought about this budding relationship between Sawyer and MIB. I think that MIB is under the impression that with Sawyer mourning Juliet and having no apparent care that he is going to be able to play him like a fiddle and is trying to do to Sawyer what he says Jacob has done and that is give Sawyer the appearance of choice while making the choices for him. I will contest that once Sawyer recognized that MIB was not Locke he immediately knew that he was dealing with a worthy opponent so to speak and has decided to play along in order to learn and survive. I do not think that Sawyer will ultimaltely betray Kate, Jack, Hurley & the rest of the crew and that he is in fact running the con on MIB.