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    SCDTFAN

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    Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 5:46 PM (permalink)
    Hello everyone, I have been a member of this forum for many years but I do not post much. I would like to get some opinions from you all.
    I have been thinking about making the switch from PC to Mac. I have been a PC user for 15 years or so and I have never really touched a Mac so I do have some concerns.
    Everyone I have talked to that has used a PC and a Mac say that they love apple computers and would never go back. Is there anything I should know or be aware of? Are Macs as good as everyone makes them out to be? What are the pros and cons? Is it pretty simple to figure out? Why doesnt Macs need antivirus software?
     
    These may seem like silly questions but I really want to make sure I make a good decision when spending a lot of money.
     
    I am thinking about buying an iMac 27 inch version. Not sure if I am going to go with quad core or dual core yet. I am also thinking about buying a macbook air to take on the road with me.
     
    Thanks in advance for any advice.
     
    Jason
     
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      Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 5:56 PM (permalink)
      iMac27 !!!

      lol....


      Edit: holy crap I posted my comment without reading your post, just wanted to crush it...and now that I read your post....haha


      The iMac is amazing!
      I´m not that a big fan of the MacbookAir because it just does not feel right to me somehow...
      and for 1300€ there are far superiour notebooks on the marked...I´d buy a Macbook pro 15" at any time compared tot he air version...


       
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        SCDTFAN

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        Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 5:59 PM (permalink)
        lennartbar


        iMac27 !!!

        lol....


        Edit: holy crap I posted my comment without reading your post, just wanted to crush it...and now that I read your post....haha


        The iMac is amazing!
        I´m not that a big fan of the MacbookAir because it just does not feel right to me somehow...
        and for 1300€ there are far superiour notebooks on the marked...I´d buy a Macbook pro 15" at any time compared tot he air version...

        Just wanted to crush it? and now that I read your post?
         
        Am I missing something here? What were you wanting to crush and why is it funny after you read my post?

         
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          Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:00 PM (permalink)
          lennartbar


          iMac27 !!!

          lol....


          Edit: holy crap I posted my comment without reading your post, just wanted to crush it...and now that I read your post....haha


          The iMac is amazing!
          I´m not that a big fan of the MacbookAir because it just does not feel right to me somehow...
          and for 1300€ there are far superiour notebooks on the marked...I´d buy a Macbook pro 15" at any time compared tot he air version...


          Or get a Lenovo X301 instead of the Macbook Air.

          As for the iMac. Sure it looks good and all and it's an all in one package, but it's overpriced. If you want performance you can build and equivalent PC for half the money. So if it's design that you're after then go for the iMac, if it's performance and value for money go for a PC.
           
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            Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:02 PM (permalink)
            Get ready to plunk down a ton of money replacing all of your windows software.   I don't really see the reason to switch now, after using PCs for 15 years, particularly in light of how rock solid Windows 7 is and how much more computer you can get for your dollar buying a Windows system, but if you want a Mac, well, ok, get it.  It's your money.

            They are very nice computers, extremely well made, very elegant design.  I find the operating system extremely annoying though.  (I actually own a couple of Macs, but I rarely use them)

            So I guess if you're OK with learning an entirely new way of using a computer and don't mind an operating system that is basically wizard-driven at every step, and have the money to replace any and all software applications you currently have windows versions of, and don't mind plunking down an extra $300+ for a copy of Windows to either dual boot or run in a VM (as the Mac folks will point out) in case you want a computer that is useful for playing games and stuff, and if you don't mind spending double what you would for a comparably equipped PC, then it's a no brainer.

             
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              Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:07 PM (permalink)
              Would it be used for work? Do you use any specific software?

               
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                Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:12 PM (permalink)


                I have the 24 inch iMac and I love it.  I can be more productive with it than I could with a PC.  If you are a gamer, then plan on running Windows on your boot camp partition. There are good games on the mac, but not as many as there are for Windows.  Other than that I have no problems running what I need to do work, school, music, etc...  I advise you to budget some dough for software such as iWork and iLife.  If you are a serious musician, producer, video editor, then look into Logic and Final Cut.  Photoshop CS4 is also nice to have.  Keep in mind that most all popular free packages like Gimp, Neo Office, and audacity are also available so you can load up your mac with gigs of useful free apps.  Oh, I also recommend buying a wired mouse and keyboard.  The wireless ones are cool, but if you use your computer a lot then you'll want the larger keyboard and battery free mouse.

                Some things about macs that typical PC users just don't about know are:
                • Built-in Spell Checker:  Everything you type in OSX in any application is spellchecked.
                • Time Machine:  Attach an external drive to your mac and it will back up everything you do and let you retrieve it through a star trek style interface.
                • Expose & Spaces:  Seamlessly switch between desktops and applications.
                • Spotlight:  A handy search utility built into the OS, does lots of cool stuff.
                • Camera & iChat: The iMac's camera is quality and the video, audio chat in iChat is the best I've ever used.  You can also do desktop sharing a-la GoToMeeting using it without paying anything for a service.
                • Boot Camp: Run Windows on your mac faster than most pcs.
                • UNIX:  Open a terminal and now you're fancy desktop is a world class UNIX workstation geared towards hardcore computer science, development, education and science in general.
                • Cover Flow:  You know the cool cover flow interface in iTunes?  OSX has that interface for files as well. 

                There are some technical reasons why viruses are less prevalent on Macs, but it really has more to do with how Microsoft opened XP up to malware, spyware as a business/marketing maneuver back in the early 2000s.  They actually built in features that malware can use to exploit your data.  Macs don't do this, but they still can catch a virus.  Because there is no real benefit to infecting a mac, virus writers don't bother with them much.  Keep in mind that most malware is developed by companies for business reasons and not by black hatted DT fans in their mom's basement who are trying to take over the internet.         
                 
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                  Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:17 PM (permalink)
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                  Get ready to plunk down a ton of money replacing all of your windows software.   I don't really see the reason to switch now, after using PCs for 15 years, particularly in light of how rock solid Windows 7 is and how much more computer you can get for your dollar buying a Windows system, but if you want a Mac, well, ok, get it.  It's your money.

                  They are very nice computers, extremely well made, very elegant design.  I find the operating system extremely annoying though.  (I actually own a couple of Macs, but I rarely use them)

                  So I guess if you're OK with learning an entirely new way of using a computer and don't mind an operating system that is basically wizard-driven at every step, and have the money to replace any and all software applications you currently have windows versions of, and don't mind plunking down an extra $300+ for a copy of Windows to either dual boot or run in a VM (as the Mac folks will point out) in case you want a computer that is useful for playing games and stuff, and if you don't mind spending double what you would for a comparably equipped PC, then it's a no brainer.


                  Windows 7 Rock Solid?  BLahahahahahahahaha

                  Wizard Driven?  Blahahahahaha  There ARE NO WIZARDS in OSX.

                  That annoying operating system is called UNIX and it's been around for 20 years longer than Windows and it IS rock solid.  Learn it before you knock it.


                   
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                    Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:24 PM (permalink)
                    szabiakanich

                    As for the iMac. Sure it looks good and all and it's an all in one package, but it's overpriced. If you want performance you can build and equivalent PC for half the money. So if it's design that you're after then go for the iMac, if it's performance and value for money go for a PC.


                    You can't build a super thin, quiet, cool, and powerful PC for the cost of an 27 iMac.  Also, The OS utilizes the hardware so much better than Windows that you have to spend more on hardware to out perform OSX.  Go read the benchmarks in PC magazine where they declare the mac book pro as the fastest Windows notebook. 

                    Design is important.  When I was a PC guy my desk looked like a borg cube with cables and wires running every which way, my pc was a loud and hot dust bunny magnet.  The iMac's profile is slender, quiet and the display is beautiful.  I've never seen a PC display that looks as good for *any* price.
                    <message edited by SeventhSon on Friday, January 01, 2010 6:26 PM>
                     
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                      Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:26 PM (permalink)
                      KirksNoseHair


                      Get ready to plunk down a ton of money replacing all of your windows software.   I don't really see the reason to switch now, after using PCs for 15 years, particularly in light of how rock solid Windows 7 is and how much more computer you can get for your dollar buying a Windows system, but if you want a Mac, well, ok, get it.  It's your money.

                      They are very nice computers, extremely well made, very elegant design.  I find the operating system extremely annoying though.  (I actually own a couple of Macs, but I rarely use them)

                      So I guess if you're OK with learning an entirely new way of using a computer and don't mind an operating system that is basically wizard-driven at every step, and have the money to replace any and all software applications you currently have windows versions of, and don't mind plunking down an extra $300+ for a copy of Windows to either dual boot or run in a VM (as the Mac folks will point out) in case you want a computer that is useful for playing games and stuff, and if you don't mind spending double what you would for a comparably equipped PC, then it's a no brainer.


                      you should work in an Apple Store :P



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                        Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:30 PM (permalink)
                        SCDTFAN


                        lennartbar


                        iMac27 !!!

                        lol....


                        Edit: holy crap I posted my comment without reading your post, just wanted to crush it...and now that I read your post....haha


                        The iMac is amazing!
                        I´m not that a big fan of the MacbookAir because it just does not feel right to me somehow...
                        and for 1300€ there are far superiour notebooks on the marked...I´d buy a Macbook pro 15" at any time compared tot he air version...

                        Just wanted to crush it? and now that I read your post?

                        Am I missing something here? What were you wanting to crush and why is it funny after you read my post?


                        well usually at least one person in a "laptop advice" etc thread jumps in and says "get a mac/ never get a mac" and I guess the new ridiculous answer will "get a iMac27"...
                        see?...

                        nevermind



                         
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                          Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:36 PM (permalink)
                          You want one - get one. There'll always be people from both camps stirring up shit when one of these threads come around. :p

                          But stay away from the Air. It's thin, sure, but you'll have no disc drive, no firewire and performance-wise it has been cut down so that it could be made so small.

                          Get a macbook pro for the same price as an Air, I say.

                          And... 27" is damn big! If you're into video editing, gigantic photo stuff or any of that - it may come in handy with 27". But if you're just an everyday user; consider a smaller size.
                          <message edited by Silenoz on Friday, January 01, 2010 6:38 PM>

                           
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                            Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 6:57 PM (permalink)
                            switched to mac about 3 years ago and I never regret that step.

                            I'm an IT-Pro and have to deal a lot with Windows OSes on PCs and Servers and I've never met such an intuitional OS like Mac OSX to handle with. Btw. ... loved Kirk's joke about Windows 7   ;-)

                            Of course, if you want to play games with your computer you should buy a PC. But if you wanna work with it (especially using it to record your music or something like that) I'd recommend a Mac. And of course VMware, Parallels Desktop or the OpenSource Solution VirtualBox by Sun are pretty good ways to still use your Windows OS and software.

                            However, 27-inch seems way too big for non-professional use tho.
                             
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                              Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:03 PM (permalink)
                              mmm don't get a mac. you can get a PC with the same specs for 800 dollars less (AUD)

                              avoid a macbook air like fire. if you want a small laptop for portability get an eee pc.

                              I used to have one of the bubble macs. if i ran itunes in the background while i was working it would crash my computer. a Windows laptop is much more worth the money
                               
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                                Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:06 PM (permalink)
                                You nailed, Paulie!

                                Mac = WORK

                                PC = check e-mails, play games, steal music, collect viruses, procrastinate, etc.
                                 
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                                  Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:12 PM (permalink)
                                  I do music a ton and I LOVE my mac!  I thought about switching for years and ended up realizing I didn't have to...I could get an Imac and still use my laptop...though I rarely do!
                                   
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                                    Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:13 PM (permalink)
                                    SeventhSon


                                    KirksNoseHair


                                    Get ready to plunk down a ton of money replacing all of your windows software.   I don't really see the reason to switch now, after using PCs for 15 years, particularly in light of how rock solid Windows 7 is and how much more computer you can get for your dollar buying a Windows system, but if you want a Mac, well, ok, get it.  It's your money.

                                    They are very nice computers, extremely well made, very elegant design.  I find the operating system extremely annoying though.  (I actually own a couple of Macs, but I rarely use them)

                                    So I guess if you're OK with learning an entirely new way of using a computer and don't mind an operating system that is basically wizard-driven at every step, and have the money to replace any and all software applications you currently have windows versions of, and don't mind plunking down an extra $300+ for a copy of Windows to either dual boot or run in a VM (as the Mac folks will point out) in case you want a computer that is useful for playing games and stuff, and if you don't mind spending double what you would for a comparably equipped PC, then it's a no brainer.


                                    Windows 7 Rock Solid?  BLahahahahahahahaha

                                    Wizard Driven?  Blahahahahaha  There ARE NO WIZARDS in OSX.

                                    That annoying operating system is called UNIX and it's been around for 20 years longer than Windows and it IS rock solid.  Learn it before you knock it.


                                    Um, I happen to administer a cluster of SCO UNIX Servers here in the data center that I operate.  We're in the process of migrating them to a virtual environment, leveraging the new Hyper-V technology that comes with Windows Server 2008 R2 or can be downloaded for bare metal implementations from Microsoft for free.

                                    It's quite likely that I've forgotten more about UNIX than you will ever know, but perhaps I am mistaken.  Are you an experienced computer tech? 

                                     
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                                      Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:26 PM (permalink)
                                      i just KNEW that was coming, good times :P I think your points on Windows 7 are true through, for everything apart from what I really need my computer for, which is Audio Production. Gutted, its Digidesign's fault though
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                                        Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:28 PM (permalink)
                                        KirksNoseHair

                                        It's quite likely that I've forgotten more about UNIX than you will ever know, but perhaps I am mistaken.  Are you an experienced computer tech? 


                                        I've already had enough chances to get to know your mind Kirk!   ;-)

                                         
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                                          Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:28 PM (permalink)
                                          I used to be a hardcore PC user, and hated anything to do with Macs.   Then I started using mac in the Audio Lab at my university.  I really started to like it, and ended up buying a Macbook to replace a desktop that died.   I've been a Mac user for 2 or 3 years now and I love it.

                                          Apple Customer Support:       Amazing!  I bought my Macbook used (its now about 3 or 4 years old) and just before Chistmas I had to take it to the Apple store to have the harddrive replaced.  I didnt buy it from them, and I didnt have the software disk, and it wasnt under warrantee.  They still did the service and loaded OSX and iLife for free.  All I had to pay for was the actual replacement drive.  I was quite impressed with them.

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                                            Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:28 PM (permalink)
                                            weezul


                                            KirksNoseHair


                                            Get ready to plunk down a ton of money replacing all of your windows software.   I don't really see the reason to switch now, after using PCs for 15 years, particularly in light of how rock solid Windows 7 is and how much more computer you can get for your dollar buying a Windows system, but if you want a Mac, well, ok, get it.  It's your money.

                                            They are very nice computers, extremely well made, very elegant design.  I find the operating system extremely annoying though.  (I actually own a couple of Macs, but I rarely use them)

                                            So I guess if you're OK with learning an entirely new way of using a computer and don't mind an operating system that is basically wizard-driven at every step, and have the money to replace any and all software applications you currently have windows versions of, and don't mind plunking down an extra $300+ for a copy of Windows to either dual boot or run in a VM (as the Mac folks will point out) in case you want a computer that is useful for playing games and stuff, and if you don't mind spending double what you would for a comparably equipped PC, then it's a no brainer.


                                            you should work in an Apple Store :P


                                            You know, I really like Apple stuff.  I do.  But it's really really overpriced.   And I have a really difficult time suggesting that a person who has been using the Windows OS for such a long time should switch now.

                                            Part of what my company does is we install computer driven environmental control systems in places like hospitals, school systems, banks, and manufacturing facilities. 

                                            Each new Operating System from Microsoft is rigorously and extensively tested here in our labs.  Windows 7 has been the most impressive thing (Other than server 2008, which is also very solid) that I've seen from Microsoft in years......

                                            I stand by my statement that Win7 is rock solid.  It's extremely stable and reliable and a huge step forward for Microsoft in terms of user interface.  I don't really care whether or not they stole half of the GUI elements from Apple, my job is to test, deploy and maintain stable systems, and Win7 is stable.

                                            Getting back to the topic at hand, and in an effort to help out the OP:

                                            If you have your heart set on a Mac, by all means, go for it.  But I would caution you to carefully consider WHY you are going down that road and keep in mind that there will be a learning curve and you will experience a significant increase in your overall cost of ownership, both in terms of acquisition cost and TCO, as repairs, upgrades, software, maintenance and just about everything related to the Apple platform comes with a fairly significantly higher cost as compared to Windows based equipment.

                                            Let me tell you what my brother did - he's very computer savvy so it was easy for him, he also comes from an engineering background like me.  He got the high-end iMac, then got himself a copy of VMWare Fusion and a bunch of copies of Windows XP and he created a Virtual XP machine for each family member to use on the iMac.  The upside to this is that he has the best of both worlds, the downsides are it's extremely expensive to do and running XP in a virtual environment, even on a fairly high-end system introduces quite a bit of latency, meaning, it's exactly ideal for gaming.....

                                            But I won't bash Apple products.   They make extremely elegant stuff.  I just wish is was less expensive and a little less.....(trying to think of a better way of putting it than "wizard driven" ).......I wish it did not try to hold your hand no matter what you do......



                                             
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                                              Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:35 PM (permalink)
                                              Advice: If you have access to a Mac (Friend, in store, etc.) try it out. If you like it, buy it. If not, get Windows 7.

                                              It's all preference. Nothing more, nothing less. For me, that's OS X. For another guy, I'm sure it's Windows 7. It's like asking us if it's a good idea to get mustard on your burger. Do you like it?
                                              I have a few Macs and love them all. I doubt I'll ever go back to Windows. But that's my opinion. (I'm looking at the 27" iMac too. Quad Core. I want a beast.)


                                              Edit: And just to add to another point made in this thread, Windows 7 is pretty solid. It's not Vista.

                                              <message edited by josh_b55 on Friday, January 01, 2010 7:37 PM>
                                               
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                                                Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:35 PM (permalink)
                                                weezul


                                                i just KNEW that was coming, good times :P I think your points on Windows 7 are true through, for everything apart from what I really need my computer for, which is Audio Production. Gutted, its Digidesign's fault though


                                                So far, we're finding Windows 7 to be excellent.  Much better than Vista.  We're having a deployment meeting this week, in fact.  I've already got a couple of dozen clients asking if we can "upgrade" them from XP (you can't upgrade XP to 7....)



                                                 
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                                                  Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:37 PM (permalink)
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                                                  I used to be a hardcore PC user, and hated anything to do with Macs.   Then I started using mac in the Audio Lab at my university.  I really started to like it, and ended up buying a Macbook to replace a desktop that died.   I've been a Mac user for 2 or 3 years now and I love it.

                                                  Apple Customer Support:       Amazing!  I bought my Macbook used (its now about 3 or 4 years old) and just before Chistmas I had to take it to the Apple store to have the harddrive replaced.  I didnt buy it from them, and I didnt have the software disk, and it wasnt under warrantee.  They still did the service and loaded OSX and iLife for free.  All I had to pay for was the actual replacement drive.  I was quite impressed with them.


                                                  Agreed!  I wish more companies would offer the level and competence of support that is offered by Apple, they are really, really good in that department, probably the best I've ever encountered, other than Cisco

                                                   
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                                                    Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:41 PM (permalink)
                                                    btw that 27" sceen and it´s resolution is beyond freaking amazing and makes full hd look totally small!








                                                     
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                                                      KirksNoseHair

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                                                      Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:47 PM (permalink)
                                                      ^yeah, my brother has the 27" version and it is absolutely stunning to look at. 

                                                       
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                                                        Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:53 PM (permalink)
                                                        cons:
                                                        buying new software
                                                        paying a bit too much
                                                        you're then one of 'm

                                                        pros:
                                                        very reliable system
                                                        way less chance of getting a virus
                                                        good customer support
                                                                          *Pling!*


                                                         
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                                                          Riccardo Patrese

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                                                          Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 7:59 PM (permalink)
                                                          I second the "try it if you can" approach. I dual booted my PC as a "Hackintosh" for a while, and since it has basically the same hardware of a normal Mac of the time, it worked perfectly, no glitches or driver issues. Found OSX quite nice, beaultiful and easy to use, but not nice enough to keep the dual-boot partition, much less to convince myself to spend the necessary amount of money to get a real Mac.

                                                          At the end of the day, it's just a matter of taste and the softwares you have to use... about that, remember that with Boot Camp you can use Windows on a Mac, if you need it, given you have a Windows license available.

                                                          By the way, saying that Windows is insecure is hardly true nowadays... back in the Windows 98 days, sure, but Windows XP SP3 patched is pretty secure, Vista brings a big improvement in security and Windows 7 builds up on that, being real safe since the Beta days. With the option of a built-in firewall and an "official" free AV software (Microsoft Security Essentials), they're way ahead of what Windows machines used to be, and on par with OSX IMO.

                                                          Stupid users with administrative privileges are dangerous on both Macs and PCs. Heck, even on a Linux distro without administrative privileges a stupid user can find a way to be stolen on the web, if he tries hard enough.
                                                          <message edited by Riccardo Patrese on Friday, January 01, 2010 8:01 PM>
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                                                            SCDTFAN

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                                                            Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 9:10 PM (permalink)
                                                            Thanks for all of the advice! I am going to go to the Apple store a few more times and I am also going to look at Windows 7 more indepth before I do anything.
                                                             
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                                                              Le KeyWizard

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                                                              Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 9:14 PM (permalink)
                                                              it's all about YOUR experience with the soft/hardware.. Try as much as you find needed before making a deciding.. ;-)
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                                                                WilliamMunny

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                                                                Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 9:15 PM (permalink)
                                                                That's really the best you can do...go there and play around with them and make up your own mind...

                                                                Kirk...you make a bunch of solid points!  If I hadn't been looking to get into a whole new recording setup there is no way I would've been able to justify the purchase of a mac.  
                                                                 
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                                                                  Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 9:50 PM (permalink)
                                                                  macs run windows... pc world said that the faster pc running windows is a mac.

                                                                  if you don't like the OS, you can install windows.
                                                                  i know about the price but still, you get all the pros and cons.

                                                                  Sometimes you just don't know what to say.
                                                                   
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                                                                    Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 10:11 PM (permalink)
                                                                    I used windows since win 3.11 and I bought my first mac (macbook pro) this year, mainly for Logic Studio. OSX (and macs in general) simply offers perfect experience and productivity, but it is impossible to discover it in an Apple store. You have to use it yourself everyday to see how great all the features are. I would never made the switch if I wouldn't need an Apple exclusive software, and now I spent 90% time on my macbook, even though I have a $4000 PC...
                                                                     
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                                                                      Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 10:21 PM (permalink)
                                                                      I hate these discussions.

                                                                      Bashing Windows, bashing Mac, I know more UNIX than you, VM clusters.......

                                                                      The guy wants a Mac, let him buy a Mac.

                                                                      Personally, I prefer them for my video and music work.  I'm an IT pro and see the use for Widows, but lets not pretend its not flawed....that is just not realistic.  Windows 7? I hear its solid, I'll take a wait and see on that one.....

                                                                      P.S. Folks bash the cost, which I admit seems a bit steep up front, but stats are stats.  The Gartener groups research has shown Macs to have a 'useful' life expectency of 4-5 years. Meaning, the OS and machine will remain usable with current applications for at least that timeframe (just an average here).  

                                                                      The best PC averages 3 years according to the study.  

                                                                      So that would mean, when comparing costs, weigh the initial PC cost 1.5 times to the Macs 1 time. That would be more representative of the true cost.

                                                                      My 2 cents.  now lets all be nice a get along!  Its all good!
                                                                       
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                                                                        SeventhSon

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                                                                        Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Friday, January 01, 2010 11:42 PM (permalink)
                                                                        KirksNoseHair


                                                                        SeventhSon


                                                                        KirksNoseHair


                                                                        Get ready to plunk down a ton of money replacing all of your windows software.   I don't really see the reason to switch now, after using PCs for 15 years, particularly in light of how rock solid Windows 7 is and how much more computer you can get for your dollar buying a Windows system, but if you want a Mac, well, ok, get it.  It's your money.

                                                                        They are very nice computers, extremely well made, very elegant design.  I find the operating system extremely annoying though.  (I actually own a couple of Macs, but I rarely use them)

                                                                        So I guess if you're OK with learning an entirely new way of using a computer and don't mind an operating system that is basically wizard-driven at every step, and have the money to replace any and all software applications you currently have windows versions of, and don't mind plunking down an extra $300+ for a copy of Windows to either dual boot or run in a VM (as the Mac folks will point out) in case you want a computer that is useful for playing games and stuff, and if you don't mind spending double what you would for a comparably equipped PC, then it's a no brainer.


                                                                        Windows 7 Rock Solid?  BLahahahahahahahaha

                                                                        Wizard Driven?  Blahahahahaha  There ARE NO WIZARDS in OSX.

                                                                        That annoying operating system is called UNIX and it's been around for 20 years longer than Windows and it IS rock solid.  Learn it before you knock it.


                                                                        Um, I happen to administer a cluster of SCO UNIX Servers here in the data center that I operate.  We're in the process of migrating them to a virtual environment, leveraging the new Hyper-V technology that comes with Windows Server 2008 R2 or can be downloaded for bare metal implementations from Microsoft for free.

                                                                        It's quite likely that I've forgotten more about UNIX than you will ever know, but perhaps I am mistaken.  Are you an experienced computer tech? 


                                                                        No I'm not a computer tech, I'm a 20+ year Software Engineering veteran.  Wrote my first program on a UNIX minicomputer back in the 70s.  Since then I've written software on just about every major platform using just about every popular programming language.  Got most of my UNIX experience writing HPUX device drivers at HP Labs back in the nineties, then moved into game development.  Now I'm a freelance iPhone and Android developer.  Sounds like we're kindred spirits.  I'd move away from SCO too.  Hyper-V is a pretty solid virtualization platform. I'm not anti-Microsoft at all.  I just know that for me moving to the Mac was a good thing and that their current products are far superior to anything on the market.  
                                                                         
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                                                                          KirksNoseHair

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                                                                          Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:21 AM (permalink)
                                                                          SeventhSon


                                                                          KirksNoseHair


                                                                          SeventhSon


                                                                          KirksNoseHair


                                                                          Get ready to plunk down a ton of money replacing all of your windows software.   I don't really see the reason to switch now, after using PCs for 15 years, particularly in light of how rock solid Windows 7 is and how much more computer you can get for your dollar buying a Windows system, but if you want a Mac, well, ok, get it.  It's your money.

                                                                          They are very nice computers, extremely well made, very elegant design.  I find the operating system extremely annoying though.  (I actually own a couple of Macs, but I rarely use them)

                                                                          So I guess if you're OK with learning an entirely new way of using a computer and don't mind an operating system that is basically wizard-driven at every step, and have the money to replace any and all software applications you currently have windows versions of, and don't mind plunking down an extra $300+ for a copy of Windows to either dual boot or run in a VM (as the Mac folks will point out) in case you want a computer that is useful for playing games and stuff, and if you don't mind spending double what you would for a comparably equipped PC, then it's a no brainer.


                                                                          Windows 7 Rock Solid?  BLahahahahahahahaha

                                                                          Wizard Driven?  Blahahahahaha  There ARE NO WIZARDS in OSX.

                                                                          That annoying operating system is called UNIX and it's been around for 20 years longer than Windows and it IS rock solid.  Learn it before you knock it.


                                                                          Um, I happen to administer a cluster of SCO UNIX Servers here in the data center that I operate.  We're in the process of migrating them to a virtual environment, leveraging the new Hyper-V technology that comes with Windows Server 2008 R2 or can be downloaded for bare metal implementations from Microsoft for free.

                                                                          It's quite likely that I've forgotten more about UNIX than you will ever know, but perhaps I am mistaken.  Are you an experienced computer tech? 


                                                                          No I'm not a computer tech, I'm a 20+ year Software Engineering veteran.  Wrote my first program on a UNIX minicomputer back in the 70s.  Since then I've written software on just about every major platform using just about every popular programming language.  Got most of my UNIX experience writing HPUX device drivers at HP Labs back in the nineties, then moved into game development.  Now I'm a freelance iPhone and Android developer.  Sounds like we're kindred spirits.  I'd move away from SCO too.  Hyper-V is a pretty solid virtualization platform. I'm not anti-Microsoft at all.  I just know that for me moving to the Mac was a good thing and that their current products are far superior to anything on the market.  


                                                                          Can't say I disagree that their products are superior.  As I've mentioned many times here, they make great stuff, no doubt.  But I really think that if they lowered their price points, they would capture substantial market share. 

                                                                          Moving to the Intel platform was certainly an extremely good move for them.  I had hoped that they'd take the next logical step after that and start opening up their stuff a bit more so that third party hardware manufacturers could support their OS, but I guess they like being in the niche or something..... *shrugs*

                                                                          Yeah, Hyper-V, so far, is terrific.  I've already migrated most of my virtual environment to it from Virtual Server 2005 R2, and we had to move away from the VMWare product (which is actually a little more robust) because one of our third party products that we develop our control systems applications with (Wonderware) doesn't support it.....




                                                                           
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                                                                            Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:04 AM (permalink)
                                                                            Well, what do you use your computer for? Simple tasks like writing and email acessing? Or computer graphics, 3D animations and audio editing? Why do you feel like changing, what problems are you facing with the windows? I am a mac user (Mac Pro 8 Core) because I need a lot of processing for my animations and graphics (its my job), I don´t know if it would be worth re-learning a whole new OS after 15 years in the same one....for basic tasks only. Some people also go for macs because of the protection], if you do need a fast computer that never crashes or gets any virus...mac could be a right choice too.
                                                                             
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                                                                              Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:43 PM (permalink)
                                                                              Worldengine


                                                                              You nailed, Paulie!

                                                                              Mac = WORK

                                                                              PC = check e-mails, play games, steal music, collect viruses, procrastinate, etc.






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                                                                                Hwangman

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                                                                                Re:Thinking about buying a Mac... need some advice Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:11 PM (permalink)
                                                                                In need of some advice and this thread seemed appropriate. 

                                                                                It looks like i may FINALLY be on my way to purchasing a Mac for recording.  Question is, which Mac to get?  I'd be using it for audio recording/production, so it would need to be capable of running a DAW and several plug-ins w/o lagging or crashing. 

                                                                                The Macbook Pros look good, though i'm also curious about the newer iMacs.  Any suggestions?
                                                                                 
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