Dream Theater Book - Lifting Shadows - Ordering And Book Details

Ordered, thanks so much Rich!!!

Got my discount code today... ordered the Classic edition.

Ordered! Thanks again Rich! I have the orginal copy and I haven't read since it came out and I have been wanting to read it again.

Thanks, Rich!  I'll be all over this once I get the email and discount.

Ordered the Classic with my discount.

Since I haven't read it yet, this will be my reading copy. The one with my name in it will be a showpiece.

Hey Rich, Have you sent all the discount mails?
I haven´t received mine!

All the discount codes have been sent - If you've not got one then please check out the FAQ over at www.liftingshadows.com

Please help spread the word on the second release and add these funky banners to your signatures!

http://liftingshadows.com/2009/09/11/pimp-your-forum-signature/

Much appreciated!

Rich

Rich Wilson


All the discount codes have been sent - If you've not got one then please check out the FAQ over at www.liftingshadows.com

Thanks Rich my Google order number has been sent to you! Hope this solve the problem!

Classic Edition ordered!

YAY ! Classic Edition ordered this morning, thanks again Rich !!

Got my code! Not sure if I'm going to order the classic edition or the deluxe again. It's kinda hard to decide, given that I get 25% off on the classic edition.

As always...
I NEED SOME CASH $_$

More bad news, I’m afraid – at the moment Brazil’s not on our shipping list
at present. We’ve a lot of problems in the past delivering to Brazil, and we
didn’t want to take money for items we feared would get lost in the post. We
do look at this all the time, however, and if anything changes we will
update the website accordingly.

Oh, this is very nice. I suppose I should shove my 25% FOR HAVING PAID AN IDECENT SUM OF MONEY THE FIRST EDITION up my ass.

I'm really sick of this "Brazilian fraud" crap, and what amazes me is that Dream Theater products seem to be the only ones in the whole freaking world that suffer from that.

I buy from Radiant Records, from Marillion,.com, from Queensryche.com and from dozens of different places, but only Ytsejam Records, mp.com and the Lifting Shadows editors seem to have this disgust of making business with Brazilians.

And hey! Way to go on making a whle country feel like a bunch of criminals. Not only an offense to me, buit to a shit load of people.

Honestly, I can't say if this "we don't deliver to Brazil" horse shit falls into the stupidity, laziness or pure lack of competence categories. To be fair I'll say it's a mix of all of them.

Well, those bands and respective business partners who respect their fans will still be getting my money. Dream Theater won't.

10 years working my ass off with the Brazilian fan club to be treated as a fucking criminal. That's marketing for you, kids.

Mountain Jester

*snip*

Crikey!

The publishers tried to ship to Brazil for the first edition and got stung. That means a load of books "went missing". That's why they aren't doing it this time. I also tend to agree with them. This decision was based on the publishers experiences with the first edition and isn't related at all to any decisions that Ytsejam have made either. The only solution would be to maybe arrange for the products to be sent to another forum member who can forward the book on to you. Sorry.

I ordered it. You know what is sucks and is a rather stupid decision? To offer FANS who ordered the 1st installment of the book, a discount coupon for the crappy version of the NEW book. I got a 25% off coupon if I buy the economy version, not redeemable towards the DELUXE version. WTF?! Fans who bought the 1st installment are going to want the deluxe leather bound version but there is no coupon for that. Capitalism at its finest.

Capitalism at it's finest would be offering NO discount. I am so glad I tried as hard as I did to get the people who bought the first edition a discount, so I get comments like yours. The reason that there is no discount for the leather bound version is that the cost has been kept low so there was no scope for a discount.

Can't win really.

Rich Wilson


The publishers tried to ship to Brazil for the first edition and got stung. That means a load of books "went missing". That's why they aren't doing it this time. I also tend to agree with them. This decision was based on the publishers experiences with the first edition and isn't related at all to any decisions that Ytsejam have made either. The only solution would be to maybe arrange for the products to be sent to another forum member who can forward the book on to you. Sorry.

It must be because I'm a marketing guy, but here's a lesson: you don't alienate an ENTIRE CUSTOMER BASE based on a portion of this base.

How easy it is to work RIGHT, with competence...you are one of the people whose book "got lost" the first time? Perfect, you'll pay for Fedex Global Shipping, with tracking around the world, which is more expensive, but that's how things are.

You didn't have a problem, an worse: YOU RECEIVED THE FIRST BOOK WITHOUT A PROBLEM? Standard shipping for you.

But that seems beyond the competence of everyone involved with this project. Nah, I guess it is much easier to take the xenophpobic road.

Do me a favour and please don't buy the book. The idea of my book being in the home of someone as rude, offensive and clueless as yourself makes me want to scream.  

There's no reason to get offensive towards Rich here !
If you had any clue of how much and hard he worked to get this done, you would be happy he even did this second edition..

Caroline

Hey Rich,
I think I accidentally deleted my discount email!  To get themail again, I went to the FAQ and filled out the email update but with no chages (I used the same email for old and new).  Will that work?

Rich Wilson


Do me a favour and please don't buy the book. The idea of my book being in the home of someone as rude, offensive and clueless as yourself makes me want to scream.  

Knowing that I bought a book by a company that treats an entire country as criminals, wrote by an author that is actually ok and supportive with that, already made me puke.

With the fan club, I spend a lot of me time fighting piracy, teaching fans and stuff. But when a band and its business partners don't want business with these fans, who am I to tell them not to do anything? If a PDF copy appears on the web, who am I to say anyone not to download it?

And **I** am rude...get a grip, dude.

Kayleighs Dad


Hey Rich,
I think I accidentally deleted my discount email!  To get themail again, I went to the FAQ and filled out the email update but with no chages (I used the same email for old and new).  Will that work?

 
Yeah - if you fill out the form, then Essential will get back to you. It will be Monday at the earliest though, but they're normally pretty efficient.
Let me know if you are still having a problem.
Cheers
Rich

My boyfriend ordered the limited edition for me, by the time it ships, I'll probably get it as our one year anniversary present- December 3rd.

I'm so freaking happy. I had ordered the original, but had to cancel the order because of financial issues. I kicked myself for not getting it. I'm so happy that there's a new edition of this book.

I think it's great that Rich is offering a coupon to those who originally bought the book, and should stop complaining. Take what you can get. If you want the limited edition, that's your choice.

Mountain Jester

Rich Wilson


Do me a favour and please don't buy the book. The idea of my book being in the home of someone as rude, offensive and clueless as yourself makes me want to scream.  

Knowing that I bought a book by a company that treats an entire country as criminals, wrote by an author that is actually ok and supportive with that, already made me puke.

With the fan club, I spend a lot of me time fighting piracy, teaching fans and stuff. But when a band and its business partners don't want business with these fans, who am I to tell them not to do anything? If a PDF copy appears on the web, who am I to say anyone not to download it?

And **I** am rude...get a grip, dude.

 
Depends. If a PDF copy appears on the web, and I trace it to you, I'll sue the ass of you. It would also be "criminal" which is ironic given your posts on the subject. I am sorry you can't buy the book in Brazil. But that is not MY fault. It's not MY fault you are threatening to post the book in PDF form. It's also not my fault that you live in a country with an unreliable postal system.
 
You are so far out of order it's incredible.

And that's the last word on that issue here or I will hand out bans. If you guys want to take it to email, be my guest.

Rich Wilson

 
Depends. If a PDF copy appears on the web, and I trace it to you, I'll sue the ass of you. It would also be "criminal" which is ironic given your posts on the subject. I am sorry you can't buy the book in Brazil. But that is not MY fault. It's not MY fault you are threatening to post the book in PDF form. It's also not my fault that you live in a country with an unreliable postal system.
 
You are so far out of order it's incredible.

Honestly? You don't even know what you're taliking about. I do.

I didn't even HINTED with the possibility of distributing a PDF copy. I said I had no right to tell anyone NOT to download it. Why am I saying that?

When the book came out, with a price tag that equals 70% of mininum wage in Brazil, and being one of the managers in the local fan club, I've been approached with people asking me to share my copy in PDF form. I saw communities at Orkut formulating ways to do it.

In both cases, not only I refused to do so, but - along with all the staff at YtseBR Brazil - fought the thing like shit!!! We were all "if you can't buy it, save money and buy it", "there's going to be new editions, which are cheaper and more accesible", "you can't support the band this way", and so on.

We were tremendously aggreessive with it, buying fights up and down. Of course, we are not a country filled with criminals (and when you use "went missing" - with quotation marks - you are suggesting that), but there people with bad ideas here. And we make sure they don't succeed.

And you don't see a single PDF on the web.

And now I ask you: what the hell am I gonna do now? What am I going to say to these people now? Don't do it? How?

We were waiting for the second edition to come out to translate it to Portuguese and GIVE IT to you, so you could have a material to talk to Brazilian editors. After being called a criminal, I don't have any desire to do so. Maybe the Fan Club has, but I don't want part of it, and I guess they won't either. That's what you get.

If anyone is interested in a voucher code, I'm GIVING mine. Not selling, giving. Send me a PM. But please, only people from "law abiding", "honest to God", "pure" countries.

You, sir, are the clueless. It is nice to look up at numbers and in a world map and make decisions based on prejudice. Harder is to come up with solutions that don't offend a whole country of people. It's anti-marketing, anti-capitalism, anti-ethic, and just plain wrong.

And please, do trace the PDF. If one appears. If it doesn't, please send your appreciation to staff@dreamtheater.com.br . Proving any of us will want to waste time fighting it. However, maybe we'll keep doing it, because we like things done right, even for people that screw me over.

Weymolith


And that's the last word on that issue here or I will hand out bans. If you guys want to take it to email, be my guest.

I haven't seen your message about it, but my message was the last on the subject.

Mountain Jester

Weymolith


And that's the last word on that issue here or I will hand out bans. If you guys want to take it to email, be my guest.

I haven't seen your message about it, but my message was the last on the subject.

It's your last message period for the next two weeks.

Rich Wilson


All the discount codes have been sent - If you've not got one then please check out the FAQ over at www.liftingshadows.com

Thanks for this info -- mine ended up in my spam folder, would have missed it without this notice.

Just want to send my support to Rich.  My finances aren't the most stable in the world right now but I made sure to utilize my 25% off discount as soon as it arrived in my email.  The reasons being A) I'm a diehard fan and B) I wanted to show my appreciation even though it probably would have been smarter to hold off a few months until I know my new job is working out

I know a thing or two about the business and figure you probably aren't making a killing off this book to begin with.  I certainly hope you make enough money to justify all the time you put into it and ignore these vocal few.  They certainly have a right to be frustrated.  I personally hate spending outlandish shipping charges when I buy something from a foreign country (thankfully thats not the case with this book).  But there is no excuse for this disrespectful behavior and rest assured, the vast majority of us fans are grateful for all of your hard work and especially getting all of these amazing interviews with Prater, John Hendricks, etc.

I could go on and on but I will just end this diatribe emphasizing my enthusiasm for the new edition.  I already got the first deluxe edition, with 2 outstanding books, a CD, and my name in the back of the book.  I don't need the leather edition (though it would be cool) and am definitely interested in the budget edition that has all of the info I crave without the bells and whistles. 

I will definitely support your future work as well because you have proven to be very fan friendly and always willing to answer questions ASAP. 

Madman Shepherd


Just want to send my support to Rich.  My finances aren't the most stable in the world right now but I made sure to utilize my 25% off discount as soon as it arrived in my email.  The reasons being A) I'm a diehard fan and B) I wanted to show my appreciation even though it probably would have been smarter to hold off a few months until I know my new job is working out

I know a thing or two about the business and figure you probably aren't making a killing off this book to begin with.  I certainly hope you make enough money to justify all the time you put into it and ignore these vocal few.  They certainly have a right to be frustrated.  I personally hate spending outlandish shipping charges when I buy something from a foreign country (thankfully thats not the case with this book).  But there is no excuse for this disrespectful behavior and rest assured, the vast majority of us fans are grateful for all of your hard work and especially getting all of these amazing interviews with Prater, John Hendricks, etc.

I could go on and on but I will just end this diatribe emphasizing my enthusiasm for the new edition.  I already got the first deluxe edition, with 2 outstanding books, a CD, and my name in the back of the book.  I don't need the leather edition (though it would be cool) and am definitely interested in the budget edition that has all of the info I crave without the bells and whistles. 

I will definitely support your future work as well because you have proven to be very fan friendly and always willing to answer questions ASAP. 

I agree with this post 100%. 

ZirconBlue

Madman Shepherd


Just want to send my support to Rich.  My finances aren't the most stable in the world right now but I made sure to utilize my 25% off discount as soon as it arrived in my email.  The reasons being A) I'm a diehard fan and B) I wanted to show my appreciation even though it probably would have been smarter to hold off a few months until I know my new job is working out

I know a thing or two about the business and figure you probably aren't making a killing off this book to begin with.  I certainly hope you make enough money to justify all the time you put into it and ignore these vocal few.  They certainly have a right to be frustrated.  I personally hate spending outlandish shipping charges when I buy something from a foreign country (thankfully thats not the case with this book).  But there is no excuse for this disrespectful behavior and rest assured, the vast majority of us fans are grateful for all of your hard work and especially getting all of these amazing interviews with Prater, John Hendricks, etc.

I could go on and on but I will just end this diatribe emphasizing my enthusiasm for the new edition.  I already got the first deluxe edition, with 2 outstanding books, a CD, and my name in the back of the book.  I don't need the leather edition (though it would be cool) and am definitely interested in the budget edition that has all of the info I crave without the bells and whistles. 

I will definitely support your future work as well because you have proven to be very fan friendly and always willing to answer questions ASAP. 

I agree with this post 100%. 

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Ordering the book when I get money next week :)

Madman Shepherd


Just want to send my support to Rich.  My finances aren't the most stable in the world right now but I made sure to utilize my 25% off discount as soon as it arrived in my email.  The reasons being A) I'm a diehard fan and B) I wanted to show my appreciation even though it probably would have been smarter to hold off a few months until I know my new job is working out

I know a thing or two about the business and figure you probably aren't making a killing off this book to begin with.  I certainly hope you make enough money to justify all the time you put into it and ignore these vocal few.  They certainly have a right to be frustrated.  I personally hate spending outlandish shipping charges when I buy something from a foreign country (thankfully thats not the case with this book).  But there is no excuse for this disrespectful behavior and rest assured, the vast majority of us fans are grateful for all of your hard work and especially getting all of these amazing interviews with Prater, John Hendricks, etc.

I could go on and on but I will just end this diatribe emphasizing my enthusiasm for the new edition.  I already got the first deluxe edition, with 2 outstanding books, a CD, and my name in the back of the book.  I don't need the leather edition (though it would be cool) and am definitely interested in the budget edition that has all of the info I crave without the bells and whistles. 

I will definitely support your future work as well because you have proven to be very fan friendly and always willing to answer questions ASAP. 

 
Thanks man - I really appreciate that more than you know. The leather edition is probably aimed more at people who missed out on the first edition. It was just something a little bit more special. So no worries if you "only" bought the Classic Edition. You've already been more than supportive by getting the two book edition when it came out. So thank you. And thanks to the 99% of DT fans who are completely behind the project. I just tend to get a touch protective of things I've worked hard on and worked hard to get released in formats that I hoped people would appreciate. This second edition was even harder to get together than the first. As some of you know, I was ill when the first edition came out, so never really got the thrill of really celebrating that release. It took time for me to feel up to updating the story, which is why it's taken two years for this to come out. But the benefit of that delay is that I've had chance to really get stuck into it and make it worthwhile.
 
Thanks again for your support. The DT fanbase is a great community :-)


 

I might buy the limited edition, but will there be a new edition after the next album??
 
I wish I had bougth the first edition with the CD!

I

Tensed Dreams


I might buy the limited edition, but will there be a new edition after the next album??
 

 
I seriously doubt it! Maybe a few years down the line but there certainly isn't a plan to re-release "Lifting Shadows" after each album release. This second edition was supposed to be out shortly after the first edition, but was delayed.

 

Rich Wilson

Tensed Dreams


I might buy the limited edition, but will there be a new edition after the next album??
 

 
I seriously doubt it! Maybe a few years down the line but there certainly isn't a plan to re-release "Lifting Shadows" after each album release. This second edition was supposed to be out shortly after the first edition, but was delayed.

 

Okay
 
Thank you Rich for your answer! I truly appreciate! I am looking forward to read your book about my favorite band!

Ordered! :)