PROGRESSIVE NATION 2009 North American Tour Dates - NYC show added!!

Yes Indeed - these new additions (albeit sloppy seconds) have scored a major coup here!
While I will take Mike's word that they are worthy - losing Pain of Salvation is a major blow!
Why not just extend the DT set?  I'll spend the time and money to listen to these new bands.... we'll see.....  how about Derek or even Neal?

Oh POS is the most emotional unique band, and i see so many ppl bashing them :(

How do you see Sun Caged, Planet X, Blotted Science, Neal Morse for a PN? 

I was really looking forward to seeing Beardfish and PoS (though haven't quite got into them as much as BF) so I was really disappointed.  I found out about 1am and just got really sad.  Then came reading that Bigelf would be on the tour now and I shouted "YES!" and woke up my roommates on the floor below mel.  Oops.  Haven't heard Scale the Summit yet but I'll check them out.

I do not know Scale the summit, but the PN09 Europe Version now sounds more interesting to me to be honest!

Ludwig


I think I want my money back for my ticks. I was going there to see Pain of Salvation.

As much as I like DT, Pain of salvation was my reason to go to Montreal.

I find this to be very misleading. Not DTs fault but shitty all the same.
Getting tired of this, Gigantour in Montreal, 2005, on band cancelled but not replaced. Come on!!! What are we paying for!!

OK, so I acted too quickly. Sacle the Summit soudns awesome. Instrumental??? Great!!

As for the other band, sounds alot like transatlantic. Can't wait!!!  Quick too judge, slow to understand.

I just checked Bigelf and Scale the Summit.

Bigelf is a good remplacement for Beardfish. They sound great and the vocals are superb.

However losing Pain of Salvation for an instrumental band is a real bummer. I really hope either Pain of Salvation or Beardfish will find its way back in the lineup...

Wow - I was starting to get so into Beardfish that I was hoping they would headline (kidding ...kinda).
Sort of like Big Elf and could never get into POS so .....dunno, mixed feelings.

Sean

FUCK


as a die-hard Pain of Salvation fan, I'm utterly devastated... sigh. I got tickets TWICE to see them this tour. Ah... well, I love DT and Zappa so... still a great show. I was also beginning to like Beardfish a lot... Damn, oh well, DT and ZPZ twice! Awesome! I'll also check out the other two bands.

What a downer.   Regardless of the lineup change, I'm still going to the Vegas and Greek Theatre shows.  I was excited to see BF, but oh well.  I saw Scale The Summit a couple of months ago touring with Protest The Hero, not my cup of tea, they're a very technical band, a bunch notes played at a fast speed that really don't do anything for me.  Gotta check out Bigelf, hopefully I wont be disappointed.

I'm sure MP is already working on this, but if it can be worked out, here's the solution:  on the spring leg get PoS and Beardfish to be the openers, only 2 openers = longer sets for each, and people are hopefully happy.

dtfanatic


I'm sure MP is already working on this, but if it can be worked out, here's the solution:  on the spring leg get PoS and Beardfish to be the openers, only 2 openers = longer sets for each, and people are hopefully happy.

We can only hope.....We can only hope.

i hope so also besides dream theater being able to see PoS and Beardfish were the reasons for me getting the tickets : (

I for one am glad PoS is not playing, i was planning on skipping them anyway.  Not to sound like a dick, but if I were a PoS I would be more pissed at the band. From my understanding it was their choice not to play in the US b/c of political reasons. I have a hard time getting into a band who won't play in a country b/c they don't like their government. Look at Iron Maiden. They have played in countries, and still do, that are so unstable they are probably risking their lives to to perform for their fans.

Plus Bigelf will kick ass and Scale the Summit sounds good.

I have some serious problems getting into Bigelf. The music is good enough, but kind of bland and uninspired, don't you think? My problem is every song sounding like they love themselves. Listening to Cheat the Gallows, and reading how the lead singer talks in interviews, are these guys for real? The first song is basically, "We're awesome, listen to us". Maybe I'm missing something. Please tell me it's some elaborate act and they're not actually this full of themselves. Just a minor quip, I know, but what is it I'm missing about this band?

That they're really good?

I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

Mayday


I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

Huge +1.  I really appreciate the internet as a means of discovering new music, such as Pain of Salvation (which I would not have heard of otherwise), I feel that artists that are less financially stable are especially volatile. 

Mayday


I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

I have bought every PoS album I've seen on the shelves here in the United States. I've downloaded a couple others I haven't found. Granted, I could've just ordered the rest through the online store, but I'm broke. I still plan on doing that for sure when I have the money. I completely agree with you. It really gets me mad that this happened for financial reasons.

If I won the lottery and got like $25,000,000 I would TOTALLY give PoS at least $1,000,000 to carry their music all over the place. They have changed my life and deserve all my support (and indeed of everyone that claims so proudly they have done the same to them).

Honestly, I didn't care who else was on the PN 09 lineup, because this will be my first time seeing Dream Theater live and they were all I cared about when I bought my tickets. However, I must say, the inclusion of Bigelf really intrigues me. I've heard MP rave about them before, so after hearing about the change of the lineup last night, I decided to check them out, and I'm glad that I did! They're like The Beatles meets Pink Floyd meets I don't know what! Just downloaded Cheat the Gallows on iTunes now!

Yea, im seriously bummed the fuck out over this but, I KNOW that Mike did his best to try to make it happen. All I can do is wish them the very best in this time of economic turmoil. Regaurdless I am still pumped as hell to see this show, cause Scale the Summit, and BIGELF friggin rock, but I was still hoping for one of my dreams to finally come true and see POS live... man... O well.

ytsebam


Oh POS is the most emotional unique band, and i see so many ppl bashing them :(

How do you see Sun Caged, Planet X, Blotted Science, Neal Morse for a PN? 

Totally with you here, it is one thing to not be into them, but they deserve no bashing, Gildenlow is a true artist, so you have to give them that respect.
 
 
This absolutly crushs me. POS was why this show was so important, yes DT and Zappa jam and will be cool, and I do like Big Elf more than Beardfish, but the fact is that with POS it feels that the chances are so slim to get to see them, that this blow really makes me think that it could never end up happening. Sure they might do a US tour when the new record comes out, but I can almost promise they wont do a MN show, let alone many midwest oppertunites to catch.I really want to see Gildenlow live, so I better just try to be optimistic and positive so maybe some how some way they get around here. I just wanted a good emotional set mixed in with all the other jammin ones.Oh Well...
 
 

Big Elf are AMAZING! I am so glad we get them this tour. I am bummed about POS, but I will take the trade anyday.

To me, what made this tour EXTRA special (was already special having ZPZ and DT on the same stage!!) was Pain of Salvation. They would've balanced out the rest of the more technical bands with some solid songwriting and true artistic vision (not to say the other bands don't have that).

I'm gonna have to try to catch PoS anywhere they tour. Doesn't matter where. I HAVE to make up for this.

Excuse the rant...

When I first heard this tour (original lineup) was coming to my city, I was elated. As a DT fan for 17 years, Zappa fan for 10 and PoS fan since the Remedy Lane album, I was really looking forward to this bill except for this strange band called Beardfish. As I had not heard them, I really didn't care one way or the other... then out of sheer morbid curiosity, I found Beardfish's "Into The Night" on YouTube - and was immediately floored! They sounded like Gentle Giant! Then I heard "South of the Border" and heard a heavy Zappa vibe. I loved it! I thought they were the perfect balance to DT's music to warm up this show. I was looking forward to four hours of having my brain gently fried... then this news.

I've gotten into several bands because of being a DT fan, so I headed over to YouTube to investigate Bigelf and STS... sorely disappointed and not at all impressed by either. Not faulting anyone for this sad turn of events, but given the choice (and after paying $200 for a premium seat, goodies notwithstanding), I would have been fine seeing ZPZ and DT simply extend their sets... or perhaps even have a local act warm them up in each city (although that could be a logistical nightmare).

Just my $0.03...

I have already seen DT and Symphony X on the same day, and then DT and Opeth on the same day, and they are both in my top 6 or so favorite bands.

However, so is Pain of Salvation, and this seemed like the longest shot to happen seeing as they have never toured NA.  When it did, I was more ecstatic then I have ever have been involving a DT show.  Luckily Im on my hangover of listening to this new album you might know of that was released today.... The Mars Volta! I kid, haven't got to that one yet, its been all BCSL. 

Mayday


I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

Yep. The way I see it is that anyone that illegally downloaded not only POS or Beardfish music, but music from any Inside Out or SPV release by any of their bands has a share in the blame for this.

King's X are also on insideout, right?  So what's happening to them?

dredg needs to be on this tour...

THAT, is all....

Just consider how devistated both bands must be. One day they go from relative obscurity to being on PN09 tour.
They get all hyped up, probably rehearse like crazy and then...BAM. Kick in the nuts. This would destroy some
bands. Hopefully they have the nads to dig deep and find a way to move on.
 
Unfortunately the larger picture is very grim. What will happen to all the great bands signed with I/O? How about
the new Beard album...is that dead now? I have no idea what the future holds but I'm bummed because I have
a hell of a lot of I/O bands in my collection and there's no way other labels (who are also on the cusp of ruin) can
absord all these bands.
 
Just try to put yourself in the shoes of the two bands that can't come...they are way more devistated than we
fans are. That's a promise.

Even though I'm going to the European part of the tour, I find this shitty news. Beardfish and PoS are two of the best bands in the genre, along with DT. shame they aren't playing anymore. I don't really like BigElf, and Unexpect is kinda cool but nothing too awesome. 

Shame, now both legs have a 'shitty' line-up. Ah well, I still get to see DT and Opeth.

POS being the biggest disappointment for me, but until a Texas date is announced, it kinda dont' matter anyhoo... :)   I've got the hammer cocked on getting tix for LA or Vegas, but....yob first.

ah man.....    Oh well, what can you do?   I was really looking forward to seeing POS.   My initial impressions of the replacement bands aren't that great but I'll give them another chance later.....

oh well.....

I gave both new bands a chance. I'm starting to like Bigelf. I can really see what MP says about them. They're pretty awesome.

However, I can't for the life of me take Scale the Summit seriously. Seems wayyyyy too "prog for the sake of being prog" to me. Where's the music? What's the point? Sounds like a bunch of college kids trying to make "cool" music... ok, ok, that's what DT was essentially in the early days, but at least they are ORIGINAL.

I saw a ton of kids just like them at Berklee. What makes them special? I don't get it. Sure, I'll admit their songs are pretty interesting, but once you get what's going on... I repeat, Where's the music? What's the point? It just seems so uninspired.

emtee


Just consider how devistated both bands must be. One day they go from relative obscurity to being on PN09 tour.
They get all hyped up, probably rehearse like crazy and then...BAM. Kick in the nuts. This would destroy some
bands. Hopefully they have the nads to dig deep and find a way to move on.
 
Unfortunately the larger picture is very grim. What will happen to all the great bands signed with I/O? How about
the new Beard album...is that dead now? I have no idea what the future holds but I'm bummed because I have
a hell of a lot of I/O bands in my collection and there's no way other labels (who are also on the cusp of ruin) can
absord all these bands.
 
Just try to put yourself in the shoes of the two bands that can't come...they are way more devistated than we
fans are. That's a promise.

This takes me back to the time when DT was between labels... some of us were hopeful they'd join I/O.  Gives me a chill now...

I heard a commercial today for the tour with POS, guess it was too late to pull the ads? :)

Beardfish's official statement is in their forum...

http://forum.spa-networks.co.uk/punforum/viewtopic.php?id=245

Ouch! No Beardfish or Pain of Salvation. That hurts. Especially with Beardfish. These guys write some outstanding nuProg along with Demians and Karmakanic. Well I'm sure the show will still be excellent.

NYCoolRunner


My question is.. what about Neal Morse? and WHY did he assemble a US band to play 2 shows last year? They must have practiced for hours and hours to get down his complex music and they play 1 show in Pittsburgh, and one in California...very odd.

Neal did not assemble a band just to play two U.S. dates. They play dates in Europe. The United States is not the only show in town.

tick

NYCoolRunner


My question is.. what about Neal Morse? and WHY did he assemble a US band to play 2 shows last year? They must have practiced for hours and hours to get down his complex music and they play 1 show in Pittsburgh, and one in California...very odd.

Neal did not assemble a band just to play two U.S. dates. They play dates in Europe. The United States is not the only show in town.

Neal has 2 bands - a US band and a European band. We know the US is not the only show in town. Neal seems to live in Europe even though his actual house is in Tennessee.