PROGRESSIVE NATION 2009 North American Tour Dates - NYC show added!!

Well, this sucks. I'd much rather have ZPZ and DT extend their sets. Oh well.

SCALE THE SUMMIT!!!
I'm actually really happy with the change.

Curtis with a K
"Fuck me with a sugar dick."

NICE SCALE THE SUMMIT!

Dream Theater

Thanks for continuing to be the man and making the absolute best out of a terrible situation, Mike!

Here's to hoping for the future inclusion of Pos/Beardfish in a DT tour!

Wow Scale The Summit sound fucking sick! http://www.myspace.com/scalethesummit
I think I will skip Bigelf tho... the same way I was going to skip PoS.

Scherztastic


I'd like to officially thank life for getting PoS fans hopes up. It was better back in the blissful days where everyone from North America could just say "well, I'm never going to see this band". We had amazing, fantastical dreams of someday travelling to Europe for some crazy excuse, but really just going to finally see the band we all adored. Life was good back then, when even the thought of seeing PoS live was locked away far across the seas.

But then life decided to play a game with us. Dangle it in front of our noses. Take something which seemed to be a dream, which seemed so far away, and make it seem like a reality. It made us believe again. Believe that the impossible was possible. Believe that in such a twisted, loathsome world as our own, there was a faint glimmer of hope.

It was all a two faced lie, wasn't it, life? Build us up to knock us down. You're a tricky one, and you've one this battle. Now we lie dejected and thrown in the dirt. With soot and our face and our spirits crushed beneath us like the tiniest smothered ant. Well, you and all the rest may try to get us down, life. But we'll be back, once we've picked ourselves back up. It'll be hard for us to ever dare to dream again, but I still hold out hope that one day a dream can become a reality. I have to...it's all I have left.

Plus, Beardfish is a frekkin AWESOME band and not seeing them makes me a sad panda

Yeah, pretty much sums up how I feel. Nevermind the possibility of PoS expanding their fanbase here and opening the door for a headline tour. Now what happens to the band? I will familiarise myself with the new acts and I suppose that there's a chance I'll find something totally life-changing (as I did with Pain of Salvation), but even if PoS find the label support to do their own tour, or to finance participation in another tour during the next year or two (to finally make good on their lifting of the North America ban), how can I ever prepare for that again?

This makes me happy!  Scale the summit are sick!  Can't wait!

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Wow...I really feel for the American fans of those bands, that's rough as.

I'll have to check those other bands out.

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I can't believe this.

I'm going to Toronto all the way from Brazil and I was all excited about seeing POS and DT together. And now that I actually started loving Beardfish... this was going to be one of my all time favorite concerts ever.

I cannot put into words how disappointed I am.
I know it's not MP's fault, but still... that's a major turnoff.

:(

i'm secretly hoping Unexpect also drops out and there's that tiny glimpse of hope Beardfish will be the replacement ;-)

                  *Pling!*

now, hopefully bigelf and scale the summit won't be able to be in the tour ,so that we can see THe Mars Volta, Tool and DT together in a tour!! woohooooo

Been listening to Bigelf on Spotify

Now looking forward to seeing them live

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I also wish DT just extended their set, but I trust Mike as well. I do have Bigelf's Cheat the Gallows, and I like it a lot, but I was getting excited to see Beardfish and POS.
As of today, I'll be seeing Bigelf 3 times in about a month. I'll be at the Chicago and LA PN09 shows, then the Porcupine Tree show in LA in September that Bigelf are supporting at. I like them, but I didn't think I liked them enough to see them 3 times...I guess I was wrong.

Props to MP for making the best of a bad situation and still delivering a quality show to the fans. However, I really was only shelling out the cash for DT and POS, so I'm hoping I can still refund my ticket.

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This is a shame for US fans, although I don't know any Beardfish or PoS.  Hope nobody has to pull out of the European leg...

Except maybe Bigelf, who I would happily have replaced by Cynic

ganpondorodf


This is a shame for US fans, although I don't know any Beardfish or PoS.  Hope nobody has to pull out of the European leg...

Except maybe Bigelf, who I would happily have replaced by Cynic

+1

it would get seriously messy in my trousers if it was DT, Opeth AND Cynic

BAM! Hit Em With A Freezepop!

Let this be a lesson to all those who keep claiming that all those evil record companies do nothing but f*** their artists over and keep all the profits, somehow making it OK not to pay for their music, and who keep preaching how good music will always prevail and only the lame commercial stuff will suffer when the labels go down because of piracy.

Turns out reality is a bit different.

Tough break. Gotta be tons of extra work to change things this late in the game. I'll bet MP was inches away from
the PN09 tour being 2 bands.
 
Anyhoo...all anybody can do is move forward and recalibrate. Same as in life. The curveballs come when you least
expect.
 
 

I was kind of looking forward to seeing Beardfish. BUT... I'm cool with POS not being on the bill.

9 out of 10 groupies prefer drummers.

AAAAAGHHH!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! 

I was SO looking forward to Beardfish.

Ahhh well, what can you do?

Salmacis


AAAAAGHHH!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! 

I was SO looking forward to Beardfish.

Ahhh well, what can you do?

I feel your pain.

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Eggman


Devastated doesn't even begin to sum up how I feel. I was BEYOND pumped to see PoS. But, Mike, you have always done everything you can for us fans. I have no doubt that you did everything in your power to avoid this. Your reputation of generosity makes it easier for me to forgive the situation. But MAN!!

 
This.
 
I was so massively looking forward to PoS (especially the irony of catching them in our nation's capital), but we all know shit happens.  Fortunately, I have already been blown away by the awesomeness that is Scale the Summit's albums and I get Queensryche as a bonus for this show, so as always, THANK YOU MIKE for all you do for us!!  Looking forward to a GREAT show in DC. 

im just glad that neil morse wasnt one of the replacements.

Chaos...Panic...Disorder...My work here is done.

Scale the Summit   wowsers!   Never heard of them, but I already love them.  Why hadn't I heard of them before?    I fail.

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This sucks beyond belief.

Just my opinion, but I think it would have been better for DT to scrap adding 2 new bands and just planned on doing a 2 set show. This would have made up for losing POS, for me.

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I've gotta wonder who this affects the merchandising aspect of this tour.  Hopefully Mike & Co.  haven't already lost their asses printing shirts that now have the wrong lineup.  Might make for a nice collector's item, but it could seriously affect sales of shirts if they can't make new ones that have the new lineup in time for the tour...

I wouldn't mind the idea of a two set show because I'm starting to really get into Frank Zappa. I can live without seein g Pain of Salvation live but Beardfish I was really getting hyped up for. Oh well, shit happens.

Hey Mike - as long as you play.......Pull me under, Change of Seasons, LTL, some LTE Stuff............. ah hell, just play the set lists from both LAB and SCORE and it's all good.

J/K
I'm still hitting the first five shows.............i was getting into POS because of the upcoming shows........now i get exposure to more stuff.

Frankly, as long as DT gets up there and rocks, you could put the band at the wedding in the Hangover and I'd still happily attend.

Wonderland


Well, this sucks. I'd much rather have ZPZ and DT extend their sets. Oh well.

That would've been better...

ganpondorodf


Except maybe Bigelf, who I would happily have replaced by Cynic 

EXACTLY!

I think I want my money back for my ticks. I was going there to see Pain of Salvation.

As much as I like DT, Pain of salvation was my reason to go to Montreal.

I find this to be very misleading. Not DTs fault but shitty all the same.
Getting tired of this, Gigantour in Montreal, 2005, on band cancelled but not replaced. Come on!!! What are we paying for!!

Major bummer,didnt care about pos but beardfish!that hurts.you can make up for it mike with more tour dates in the U.S. when Transatlantic gets ready to take flight!

Makes those 2 headlining POS sets I saw at progpower even more special. Sucks for all of you. I know the feeling, Ive had Megadeth/Anthrax cancel here, Halford/Testament and GNR cancel.    

Scale The Summit! I got turned onto them through Myspace a few months ago, Isn't one of the guys in the band a Forumer!! I think so,
 
Goes to search MP.com

Portnoy


For Immediate Release
June 22nd, 2009
 
 
It is with the utmost disappointment that I am forced to share the unfortunate news of both Pain Of Salvation and Beardfish having to pull out of this summer's Progressive Nation tour....
 
Their label Inside Out just recently lost the financial funding for the tour as a result of their distributor SPV recently claiming bankruptcy...which effectively meant that both Pain Of Salvation and Beardfish lost the tour support that was essential to their ability to come to North America for Progressive Nation.
 
All parties involved (myself, both bands, Inside Out, etc) are beyond devastated at this turn of events and are truly sorry to all of the fans that were looking forward to this lineup. We tried everything we could do to salvage the situation, but in the end it was not possible...
 
Well as the album title says, every Black Cloud does indeed have a Silver Lining....so with this unfortunate news, I bring to you the good news of 2 incredible bands that will jumping on board Progressive Nation to join Dream Theater and Zappa Plays Zappa this summer: Bigelf and Scale The Summit.
 
Los Angeles' Bigelf are my personal favorite new band to come along in many years...their latest CD "Cheat The Gallows" is my favorite album of the year and I already had positioned them onto the European run of Progressive Nation in the Fall....with them now joining us on PN09 in North America as well, it looks like world domination is now not that far out of reach for them!
Pretty soon, everyone will hopefully be falling for their retro, psychedelic, progressive, hard rock, doom metal as hard as I have!
 
Houston instrumental band Scale The Summit are a recent discovery for me and their top notch musicianship will be a perfect fit to this Progressive Nation lineup stylistically falling very nicely between the musicality of Dream Theater and Zappa Plays Zappa. They bring the instrumental elements of prog rock and fusion into today's contemporary hard rock/metal sounds and are one of the most talented group of young musicians I've seen assembled in many years.
 
Once again, apologies to anybody disappointed in this unexpected and unavoidable lineup change...but the circumstances were beyond our control...
In any event, PN09 will carry on and still deliver the most musical bang for its buck this summer throughout North America and we look forward to sharing the evening with you!
 
Sincerely,
Your Progressive Rock Ambassador,
Mike Portnoy
 
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
 
 
PROGRESSIVE NATION 2009 - NORTH AMERICAN TOUR
Dream Theater, Zappa Plays Zappa, Bigelf & Scale The Summit 
 
Fri July 24th - Fillmore @ Jackie Gleason Theater - Miami, FL
Sat July 25th - Hard Rock Live - Orlando, FL
Sun July 26th - Ruth Eckard Hall - Tampa, FL 
Tues July 28th - The Tabernacle - Atlanta, GA
Wed July 29th - Thomas Wolfe Auditorium - Ashville, NC
Fri July 31st - Tower Theater - Philadelphia, PA 
Sat Aug 1st - Merriweather Post - Washington DC *
Sun Aug 2nd - Bank Of America Pavillion - Boston, MA
Tues Aug 4th - The Palace Theater - Albany, NY
Wed Aug 5th - Chevrolet Theater - Wallingford, CT 
Fri Aug 7th - Convention Hall - Asbury Park, NJ
Sat Aug 8 - Brookhaven Amphitheater - Brookhaven, NY
Tues Aug 11th - The Agora - Quebec City, QUE
Wed Aug 12th - Bell Center - Montreal, QUE
Fri Aug 14th - Molson Amphitheater - Toronto, ONT
Sun Aug 16th - The Burton Cummings Theater - Winnipeg, MAN
Tues Aug 18th - MacEwan Hall - Calgary, AB
Wed Aug 19th - Shaw Conference Center - Edmonton, AB
Fri Aug 21st - The Orpheum Theater - Minneapolis, MN
Sat Aug 22nd - Riverside Theater - Milwaukee, WI
Sun Aug 23rd - Chicago Theater - Chicago, IL
Tues Aug 25th - Temple Hoyne Buell Theater - Denver, CO
Thur Aug 27th - San Jose Civic Auditorium - San Jose, CA
Fri Aug 28th - The Joint - Las Vegas, NV
Sat Aug 29th - The Greek Theater - Los Angeles, CA

 
* - Additional Special Guests on the 8/1 Washington DC show will be Queensryche (a special one-off 5 band Progressive Nation bill for 1 night only!) 





 

Can't say I am disappointed. In fact, I am thrilled. I would rather have a band I am totally unfamiliar with than have to sit through even a half hour of PoS.

I was REALLY looking forward Pain of Salvation and Beardfish... wow. I don't know what to think. I don't know and I don't care about the two new bands. Wow... seriously. I hope there will be a last minute change and PN09 will return back to its original line-up. 70$ for Dream Theater + Pain of Salvation was well worth it, but now...

Unhappy Birthday to me.  The main selling point for me was POS and Beardfish.  I've already seen DT and ZPZ and travelling to the Greek Theater is a major pain.  Not to mention the F***ed up parking they have.  Plus I'm already going to see Bigelf open for Porcupine Tree a couple weeks later.  Oh well, my props go to Mike for doing his best in a bad situation.   

"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand. Ignorance and prejudice, and fear walk hand in hand." NP

Queue up  8V, Track six please....................

Let this be a lesson to all those who keep claiming that all those evil record companies do nothing but f*** their artists over and keep all the profits, somehow making it OK not to pay for their music, and who keep preaching how good music will always prevail and only the lame commercial stuff will suffer when the labels go down because of piracy.

Turns out reality is a bit different.

Turns out reality is a double-edged sword, an aspect you've completely chosen to ignore...but considering the piracy thread was locked, I'm not going into it anymore than that.

And damn. I was really looking forward to Pain of Salvation. I had heard so many good things about this band, but I never actually checked them out that much until they were finally announced for PN09. Inevitably, I fell in love with them...At least it will be an opportunity to discover more excellent artists, I hope.

Yes Indeed - these new additions (albeit sloppy seconds) have scored a major coup here!
While I will take Mike's word that they are worthy - losing Pain of Salvation is a major blow!
Why not just extend the DT set?  I'll spend the time and money to listen to these new bands.... we'll see.....  how about Derek or even Neal?

Oh POS is the most emotional unique band, and i see so many ppl bashing them :(

How do you see Sun Caged, Planet X, Blotted Science, Neal Morse for a PN? 

I was really looking forward to seeing Beardfish and PoS (though haven't quite got into them as much as BF) so I was really disappointed.  I found out about 1am and just got really sad.  Then came reading that Bigelf would be on the tour now and I shouted "YES!" and woke up my roommates on the floor below mel.  Oops.  Haven't heard Scale the Summit yet but I'll check them out.

I do not know Scale the summit, but the PN09 Europe Version now sounds more interesting to me to be honest!

4 - 8 - 15 - 16 - 23 - 42 - Are you lost??

Ludwig


I think I want my money back for my ticks. I was going there to see Pain of Salvation.

As much as I like DT, Pain of salvation was my reason to go to Montreal.

I find this to be very misleading. Not DTs fault but shitty all the same.
Getting tired of this, Gigantour in Montreal, 2005, on band cancelled but not replaced. Come on!!! What are we paying for!!

OK, so I acted too quickly. Sacle the Summit soudns awesome. Instrumental??? Great!!

As for the other band, sounds alot like transatlantic. Can't wait!!!  Quick too judge, slow to understand.

I just checked Bigelf and Scale the Summit.

Bigelf is a good remplacement for Beardfish. They sound great and the vocals are superb.

However losing Pain of Salvation for an instrumental band is a real bummer. I really hope either Pain of Salvation or Beardfish will find its way back in the lineup...

Wow - I was starting to get so into Beardfish that I was hoping they would headline (kidding ...kinda).
Sort of like Big Elf and could never get into POS so .....dunno, mixed feelings.

Sean

FUCK


as a die-hard Pain of Salvation fan, I'm utterly devastated... sigh. I got tickets TWICE to see them this tour. Ah... well, I love DT and Zappa so... still a great show. I was also beginning to like Beardfish a lot... Damn, oh well, DT and ZPZ twice! Awesome! I'll also check out the other two bands.

Hopelessly drifting, bathing in beautiful agony...

What a downer.   Regardless of the lineup change, I'm still going to the Vegas and Greek Theatre shows.  I was excited to see BF, but oh well.  I saw Scale The Summit a couple of months ago touring with Protest The Hero, not my cup of tea, they're a very technical band, a bunch notes played at a fast speed that really don't do anything for me.  Gotta check out Bigelf, hopefully I wont be disappointed.

I'm sure MP is already working on this, but if it can be worked out, here's the solution:  on the spring leg get PoS and Beardfish to be the openers, only 2 openers = longer sets for each, and people are hopefully happy.

In the dead of night, Rob bites, Rob bites...

dtfanatic


I'm sure MP is already working on this, but if it can be worked out, here's the solution:  on the spring leg get PoS and Beardfish to be the openers, only 2 openers = longer sets for each, and people are hopefully happy.

We can only hope.....We can only hope.

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i hope so also besides dream theater being able to see PoS and Beardfish were the reasons for me getting the tickets : (

I for one am glad PoS is not playing, i was planning on skipping them anyway.  Not to sound like a dick, but if I were a PoS I would be more pissed at the band. From my understanding it was their choice not to play in the US b/c of political reasons. I have a hard time getting into a band who won't play in a country b/c they don't like their government. Look at Iron Maiden. They have played in countries, and still do, that are so unstable they are probably risking their lives to to perform for their fans.

Plus Bigelf will kick ass and Scale the Summit sounds good.

Vegetables and I have a great understanding. I eat them and they come out my asshole a little while later.

-Frank Zappa

I have some serious problems getting into Bigelf. The music is good enough, but kind of bland and uninspired, don't you think? My problem is every song sounding like they love themselves. Listening to Cheat the Gallows, and reading how the lead singer talks in interviews, are these guys for real? The first song is basically, "We're awesome, listen to us". Maybe I'm missing something. Please tell me it's some elaborate act and they're not actually this full of themselves. Just a minor quip, I know, but what is it I'm missing about this band?

Let's work without theorizing, it's the only way to make life bearable.

That they're really good?

In the dead of night, Rob bites, Rob bites...

I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

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Mayday


I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

Huge +1.  I really appreciate the internet as a means of discovering new music, such as Pain of Salvation (which I would not have heard of otherwise), I feel that artists that are less financially stable are especially volatile. 

Mayday


I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

I have bought every PoS album I've seen on the shelves here in the United States. I've downloaded a couple others I haven't found. Granted, I could've just ordered the rest through the online store, but I'm broke. I still plan on doing that for sure when I have the money. I completely agree with you. It really gets me mad that this happened for financial reasons.

If I won the lottery and got like $25,000,000 I would TOTALLY give PoS at least $1,000,000 to carry their music all over the place. They have changed my life and deserve all my support (and indeed of everyone that claims so proudly they have done the same to them).

Hopelessly drifting, bathing in beautiful agony...

Honestly, I didn't care who else was on the PN 09 lineup, because this will be my first time seeing Dream Theater live and they were all I cared about when I bought my tickets. However, I must say, the inclusion of Bigelf really intrigues me. I've heard MP rave about them before, so after hearing about the change of the lineup last night, I decided to check them out, and I'm glad that I did! They're like The Beatles meets Pink Floyd meets I don't know what! Just downloaded Cheat the Gallows on iTunes now!

Yea, im seriously bummed the fuck out over this but, I KNOW that Mike did his best to try to make it happen. All I can do is wish them the very best in this time of economic turmoil. Regaurdless I am still pumped as hell to see this show, cause Scale the Summit, and BIGELF friggin rock, but I was still hoping for one of my dreams to finally come true and see POS live... man... O well.

ytsebam


Oh POS is the most emotional unique band, and i see so many ppl bashing them :(

How do you see Sun Caged, Planet X, Blotted Science, Neal Morse for a PN? 

Totally with you here, it is one thing to not be into them, but they deserve no bashing, Gildenlow is a true artist, so you have to give them that respect.
 
 
This absolutly crushs me. POS was why this show was so important, yes DT and Zappa jam and will be cool, and I do like Big Elf more than Beardfish, but the fact is that with POS it feels that the chances are so slim to get to see them, that this blow really makes me think that it could never end up happening. Sure they might do a US tour when the new record comes out, but I can almost promise they wont do a MN show, let alone many midwest oppertunites to catch.I really want to see Gildenlow live, so I better just try to be optimistic and positive so maybe some how some way they get around here. I just wanted a good emotional set mixed in with all the other jammin ones.Oh Well...
 
 

Big Elf are AMAZING! I am so glad we get them this tour. I am bummed about POS, but I will take the trade anyday.

To me, what made this tour EXTRA special (was already special having ZPZ and DT on the same stage!!) was Pain of Salvation. They would've balanced out the rest of the more technical bands with some solid songwriting and true artistic vision (not to say the other bands don't have that).

I'm gonna have to try to catch PoS anywhere they tour. Doesn't matter where. I HAVE to make up for this.

Hopelessly drifting, bathing in beautiful agony...

Excuse the rant...

When I first heard this tour (original lineup) was coming to my city, I was elated. As a DT fan for 17 years, Zappa fan for 10 and PoS fan since the Remedy Lane album, I was really looking forward to this bill except for this strange band called Beardfish. As I had not heard them, I really didn't care one way or the other... then out of sheer morbid curiosity, I found Beardfish's "Into The Night" on YouTube - and was immediately floored! They sounded like Gentle Giant! Then I heard "South of the Border" and heard a heavy Zappa vibe. I loved it! I thought they were the perfect balance to DT's music to warm up this show. I was looking forward to four hours of having my brain gently fried... then this news.

I've gotten into several bands because of being a DT fan, so I headed over to YouTube to investigate Bigelf and STS... sorely disappointed and not at all impressed by either. Not faulting anyone for this sad turn of events, but given the choice (and after paying $200 for a premium seat, goodies notwithstanding), I would have been fine seeing ZPZ and DT simply extend their sets... or perhaps even have a local act warm them up in each city (although that could be a logistical nightmare).

Just my $0.03...

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I have already seen DT and Symphony X on the same day, and then DT and Opeth on the same day, and they are both in my top 6 or so favorite bands.

However, so is Pain of Salvation, and this seemed like the longest shot to happen seeing as they have never toured NA.  When it did, I was more ecstatic then I have ever have been involving a DT show.  Luckily Im on my hangover of listening to this new album you might know of that was released today.... The Mars Volta! I kid, haven't got to that one yet, its been all BCSL. 

Mayday


I am totally bummed about this, so much so that I am inspired to go on a mini rant here.

How many copies of Pain of Salvation's albums were downloaded for free for each one that was legally purchased?

How many people claim to be huge fans of the band, but chose to get the music for free rather than paying for it to support the band?

"Ah it doesn't matter, the band makes their money from touring"  Well guess what, it is goddamned hard to tour, especially overseas, when you don't have the support of your label because it is f-ing bankrupt.

So now the label is bankrupt, and I have to think that the lack of sales due to people taking the music for free played a huge part in this.

If you like the music, support the band by paying for it.  This is crucial especially for lesser known bands.

Hopefully PoS will land on their feet somehow and we will still get a chance to see them play in the US.

Yep. The way I see it is that anyone that illegally downloaded not only POS or Beardfish music, but music from any Inside Out or SPV release by any of their bands has a share in the blame for this.

King's X are also on insideout, right?  So what's happening to them?

dredg needs to be on this tour...

THAT, is all....

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Just consider how devistated both bands must be. One day they go from relative obscurity to being on PN09 tour.
They get all hyped up, probably rehearse like crazy and then...BAM. Kick in the nuts. This would destroy some
bands. Hopefully they have the nads to dig deep and find a way to move on.
 
Unfortunately the larger picture is very grim. What will happen to all the great bands signed with I/O? How about
the new Beard album...is that dead now? I have no idea what the future holds but I'm bummed because I have
a hell of a lot of I/O bands in my collection and there's no way other labels (who are also on the cusp of ruin) can
absord all these bands.
 
Just try to put yourself in the shoes of the two bands that can't come...they are way more devistated than we
fans are. That's a promise.

Even though I'm going to the European part of the tour, I find this shitty news. Beardfish and PoS are two of the best bands in the genre, along with DT. shame they aren't playing anymore. I don't really like BigElf, and Unexpect is kinda cool but nothing too awesome. 

Shame, now both legs have a 'shitty' line-up. Ah well, I still get to see DT and Opeth.

POS being the biggest disappointment for me, but until a Texas date is announced, it kinda dont' matter anyhoo... :)   I've got the hammer cocked on getting tix for LA or Vegas, but....yob first.

ah man.....    Oh well, what can you do?   I was really looking forward to seeing POS.   My initial impressions of the replacement bands aren't that great but I'll give them another chance later.....

oh well.....

"I bought a couple of droids today from the freaky little hooded creatures . The big one is sort of effeminate and annoying, and I think the little one has an amputee inside!"

I gave both new bands a chance. I'm starting to like Bigelf. I can really see what MP says about them. They're pretty awesome.

However, I can't for the life of me take Scale the Summit seriously. Seems wayyyyy too "prog for the sake of being prog" to me. Where's the music? What's the point? Sounds like a bunch of college kids trying to make "cool" music... ok, ok, that's what DT was essentially in the early days, but at least they are ORIGINAL.

I saw a ton of kids just like them at Berklee. What makes them special? I don't get it. Sure, I'll admit their songs are pretty interesting, but once you get what's going on... I repeat, Where's the music? What's the point? It just seems so uninspired.

Hopelessly drifting, bathing in beautiful agony...

emtee


Just consider how devistated both bands must be. One day they go from relative obscurity to being on PN09 tour.
They get all hyped up, probably rehearse like crazy and then...BAM. Kick in the nuts. This would destroy some
bands. Hopefully they have the nads to dig deep and find a way to move on.
 
Unfortunately the larger picture is very grim. What will happen to all the great bands signed with I/O? How about
the new Beard album...is that dead now? I have no idea what the future holds but I'm bummed because I have
a hell of a lot of I/O bands in my collection and there's no way other labels (who are also on the cusp of ruin) can
absord all these bands.
 
Just try to put yourself in the shoes of the two bands that can't come...they are way more devistated than we
fans are. That's a promise.

This takes me back to the time when DT was between labels... some of us were hopeful they'd join I/O.  Gives me a chill now...

Baldrick, what begins with "Come here" and ends with "Ow"?

I heard a commercial today for the tour with POS, guess it was too late to pull the ads? :)

Carpe Diem

Beardfish's official statement is in their forum...

http://forum.spa-networks.co.uk/punforum/viewtopic.php?id=245

SteveA's official progressive rock forums

Ouch! No Beardfish or Pain of Salvation. That hurts. Especially with Beardfish. These guys write some outstanding nuProg along with Demians and Karmakanic. Well I'm sure the show will still be excellent.

NYCoolRunner


My question is.. what about Neal Morse? and WHY did he assemble a US band to play 2 shows last year? They must have practiced for hours and hours to get down his complex music and they play 1 show in Pittsburgh, and one in California...very odd.

Neal did not assemble a band just to play two U.S. dates. They play dates in Europe. The United States is not the only show in town.

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NYCoolRunner


My question is.. what about Neal Morse? and WHY did he assemble a US band to play 2 shows last year? They must have practiced for hours and hours to get down his complex music and they play 1 show in Pittsburgh, and one in California...very odd.

Neal did not assemble a band just to play two U.S. dates. They play dates in Europe. The United States is not the only show in town.

Neal has 2 bands - a US band and a European band. We know the US is not the only show in town. Neal seems to live in Europe even though his actual house is in Tennessee.