Ozzy to sue Iommi over Sabbath name

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05292009/news/regionalnews/ozzys_sour_sabbath_note_171506.htm
 
 
Iommi kept Sabbath going, through rough times and various singers and IMO he should win the case.
 
 

nice one Sharon.........  you just get more and more hateful.

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This is for real?

Even when my favorite Black Sabbath is when Ozzy was in the band, if someone has all the right the claim to be Black Sabbath is Tony Iommy. He's the only and original member who has appeared in all the records with the name "Black Sabbath" in them. For me, the other one whou could claim something about Black Sabbath is not Ozzy. Geezer or Bill maybe. Hell, I think Tony Martin has even more chance to be considered more part of Black Sabbath than Ozzy (he's been with Black Sabbath in their hard times but no one seems to remember the poor guy).

Seems like someone desperately needs money after the Ozzfest fiasco.

Yes indeed. Iommi kept Sabbath going all those years. He kept plodding along while Ozzy was dealing with his
personal demons and solo albums. I remember going to see Ozzy during The Ultimate Sin tour and he was so
wasted that he could barely stand. He slurred the lyrics, screwed up countless times and was generally a
total embarrasment.  This suit seems like such an obvious money grabbing stunt. It sickens me.
 
Ozzy...go make another reality show and leave the Sab name with the rightful owner.

I really wanna believe this is a joke.

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Depending on the results of this case, does this mean Heaven and Hell might get to use their proper name?

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He dosen't have a chance.
Ozzy's contribution to Sabbath, is vocals only, no songwriting, no melodies.

I mean Iommi even dropped the Sabbath name for Heaven and Hell, how much fairer can he be?

I hope Ozzy and $haron fall right on their arses on this one. I'm guessing their shitty new TV show didn't do so well so they have to get more moneys from Iommi. Well screw Ozzy and screw Sharon.

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I fucking hate the Osbournes. Everyone in their right mind know that Iommi is Mr. Sabbath. 

I would love to see this play out, Ozzy please take the stand, Ozzy wake up and take the stand........

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Wait... I thought Ozzy had it? I only thought that because the new album is a Heaven and Hell record, and not Black Sabbath. Was this just a choice on Iommi's part, or was he forced into it? 

I personally think it's crap that Ozzy thinks he deserves anything. Tony is the ONLY member to be there throughout it all, compared to Ozzy for only a part of it... and if he really didn't write much music, that makes it even more ridiculous. 

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I really wanna believe this is a joke.

I second this.

"The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996."

I laughed just at reading that. It was never about Ozzy's vocals for me at least. I think he is probably one of the most overrated vocalists out there. Even on his solo work it was always the guitars that made it good. Not his vocals.

why why why.....why does she keep egging(pun anyone:?? :P) the hate on???

My understanding was that since the 2001 (or so) reunions, the name Black Sabbath consisted of only the original 4.  A 'handshake' agreement if you will.  I thought that was the whole reason the current lineup goes by Heaven & Hell - with respect to the other original two members.  This was my understanding, so maybe I am completely off the mark. 

Regardless, Sabbath rules and they will always be my favorite band.  Whatever bs Ozzy/Sharon pulls, Master of Reality is still a kick ass album, and nothing will ever change that.

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Wait... I thought Ozzy had it? I only thought that because the new album is a Heaven and Hell record, and not Black Sabbath. Was this just a choice on Iommi's part, or was he forced into it? 

I personally think it's crap that Ozzy thinks he deserves anything. Tony is the ONLY member to be there throughout it all, compared to Ozzy for only a part of it... and if he really didn't write much music, that makes it even more ridiculous. 

The Dio-era Sabbath crew changed the name to set expectations amongst the audience. They made the decision to tour as H&H so people coming to the show would not expect to hear classic Ozzy-era Sabbath tunes. As it stands, the Dio era has its own unique identity and deserved its own name that separates it from Black Sabbath. There was nothing legal that forced the name change...

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He dosen't have a chance.
Ozzy's contribution to Sabbath, is vocals only, no songwriting, no melodies.

I mean Iommi even dropped the Sabbath name for Heaven and Hell, how much fairer can he be?

This. Fuck them. Good thinking, driving away the only think that could make a bucnh of people attend an Ozzfest. Fucking douchebags. Seriously, these people are scum. I love Ozzy era Sabbath, but that doesn't make him own the name. I mean, he didn't even write his fucking lyrics, Geezer did!. OMFG.

This seriously pisses me off. They don't deserve to have money or a career. Ozzy sucks live nowadays anyway, even with Sabbath, and his recent solo albums are simply painful. Ozzy and Sharon: go to hell. I won't miss either of you.

Ozzy Sharon is a fucking retard, Ozzy probably has no idea whats going on. Theyre just greedy fucks.

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I find myself having to explain to my wife (never particularly a metal fan) whenever the cell phone commercials come on that Ozzy was, at one time, the sort of standard-bearer of all things rebellious, dark, cool, etc. for a certain set of people.  He's just an insult to anyone who ever felt that way about him, now. Granted, the same person who is responsible for this transformation into extreme corny-ness is probably also the reason why Ozzy is even still alive. So, I just occasionally pop on old Sabbath and try to forget about much else since.

Ridiculous.
Iommi seems like such a stand up  and humble guy, to think he even thanked Ozzy in the linear notes on the new Heaven and Hell CD

Over the years I've come to learn how much of a fraud Ozzy really is, things like how Bob Daisley wrote a ton of the early solo material and they'd shit on him, bring him back, shit on him some more, then erase his legacy.  I'd love to see how much Ozzy truly ever contributed to either Sabbath or even his own solo stuff.

HOWEVER...  If Iommi did try and pull a fast one and really did file as "sole owner," how did he think he would get away with that?  Check out this article in Rolling Stone.  Looks like there's more to it... Iommi is suing Live Nation and could get a windfall, so of course the Osbourne's want in (and probably rightly so)...

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/29/ozzy-osbourne-suing-tony-iommi-for-black-sabbath-name/

iommi is a gentleman putting a new name to the band one time was black sabbath(Heaven and hell) and now he recives a slap from the hand of ozzy! damn

i hope $haron and ozzy lose this fight

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Ozzy Sharon is a fucking retard, Ozzy probably has no idea whats going on. Theyre just greedy fucks.

*Words taken directly from my mouth*

I couldn't agree more, except Ozzy isn't a greedy fuck, he doesn't know what's going on.

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My understanding was that since the 2001 (or so) reunions, the name Black Sabbath consisted of only the original 4.  A 'handshake' agreement if you will.

For a moment, let's assume that this is fact. If so, why don't we hear of arguments from Geezer and Bill? And why is Ozzy/Sharon demanding 50%? It should only be 25%.

So whether what you're claiming is truth or not, the Osbournes are up to their money grubbing ways, as usual.

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I have a feeling Ozzy doesn't have a lot to do with this.  He's just along for the ride on with Sharon

so much for a reunion tour... 

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I fucking hate the Osbournes. Everyone in their right mind know that Iommi is Mr. Sabbath.

Yep. It was Iommi that created the metal sound.
 
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I was fucking outraged when I read this. All I know is, it's bull shit. Obviously over the years Ozzy has been more successful than Sabbath without him and he's made an ass load of fucking money. And yet it's still not enough for him. He's got to go after the money that was made from the Dio, Gillan, Hughes, and Martin albums which he doesn't deserve because he had nothing to fucking do with those albums!! I doubt this will happen but if Ozzy somehow ever fucking gained control of Sabbath and started releasing albums under that name I'd never fucking buy them because I know that Tony Iommi IS BLACK SABBATH! I think it's time I tossed all my Ozzy CD's out now. Ozzy boycott all the way!

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It appears to be true. Here is Sharon's, whoops, I mean Ozzy's statement.

http://www.bravewords.com/news/114696

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An official statement from Ozzy reads as follows:

“It is with great regret that I had to resort to legal action against my long term partner, Tony Iommi, but after three years of trying to resolve this issue amicably, I feel I have no other recourse. As of the mid-1990’s, after constant and numerous changes in band members, the brand of 'Black Sabbath' was literally in the toilet and Tony Iommi (touring under the name Black Sabbath) was reduced to performing in clubs. Since 1997 when Geezer (Butler), Bill (Ward) and myself rejoined the band, Black Sabbath has returned to its former glory as we headlined sold-out arenas and amphitheatres playing to upwards of 50,000 people at each show around the world. We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively. Throughout the last 12 years, it was my management representatives who oversaw the marketing and quality control of the 'Black Sabbath' brand through Ozzfest, touring, merchandising and album reissues. The name 'Black Sabbath' now has a worldwide prestige and merchandising value that it would not have had by continuing on the road it was on prior to the 1997 reunion tour. Tony, I am so sorry it’s had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you. I don’t have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally. I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way. We’ve all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright. We’re all in our 60’s now. The Black Sabbath legacy should live on long after we have all gone. Please do the right thing.”

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I wonder who spellchecked that for Ozzy?

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Man I don't know. Part of me sees his side, but if it was a move based on character, he would only be asking for 25%.
 
I still say...Iommi kept the Sabbath banner flying for all those years while Ozzy was off screaming at SHARON to
scoop up the dog shit. I truly believe that has to count for something. If Iommi had walked away after Ozzy left
Sabbath would be no more.
 
In my heart I believe Iommi is totally in the winning position but I'm no lawyer so I have no clue how this will turn
out.

All I know in my heart is this: If ever I saw a Black Sabbath record that did NOT have Tony on guitar, I would disregard it completely as something completely false and different.  The signature of Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi, who still to this day can out-riff any guitar player I can think of.

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this is what I call a WTF moment

What is the fucking point of this crap?  Tony isn't even USING the name now.  Shit, this is dealing with things that happened over 2 decades ago.  It's pointless.

I love Sabbath, I love Ozzy, and I love Tony Iommi and everything he has done.  This is really fucking stupid.

Besides, Tony didn't even WANT to keep using the name.  Seventh Star was meant to be an Iommi solo record, the label made him use the name.  That's why it's billed as "Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi."  It was a compromise.

I know I've said this a couple times in this post, but I must once again reiterate:  this is REALLY FUCKING STUPID!!!

There's something fishy going on with this lawsuit. I have to side with Tony Iommi on this. I thought Ozzy was ok with Tony. Tony could have not gone with the trouble of naming the Dio lineup "Heaven And Hell" and just kept the name Black Sabbath. But he seemed like he was trying to do right by Bill and Ozzy by only using the Black Sabbath name now when only the original lineup performs. Now in an unexpected and greedy move, Ozzy does this. Plus, it's pretty bad timing. Couldn't he have done this 20 years ago if he was going to do this lawsuit anyway. I still think Tony would have been on the good side then as he is now. In fact maybe Ozzy shouldn't really be suing. He was the one that made all the bad drug decisions in the late 70s which led to his firing. That kind of trumps Ozzy's reasonings for suing. Plus Black Sabbath had more good albums after Ozzy left than Ozzy did with his solo albums. Tony is the winner in my book.

I didn't realize the rights to a name were based on popularity as Ozzy's statement would indicate.....
Basically all he's saying is "hey, the Black Sabbath name is worth something now, so I want something out of it". It's just money. He has no right to that name.

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I don’t have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally.

The word "should" says it all. From his own statement, it appears that even the handshake agreement Paranoid70 was speaking of may have been a myth.

As far as I'm concerned Ozzy will never get a cent of my money...

BTW Ozzy, I feel morally and ethically that Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake should be on your first 2 solo albums...

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'Nuff said, really.

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We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

So umm, Ozzy worked to restore the credibility of Black Sabbath by pissing all over himself, walking like a zombie on stage, needing a telepromter on stage so that he wouldn't forget the lyrics to Paranoid and War Pigs... If anyone's lost all credibility, it's Ozzy Osbourne. Biggest joke in the business.

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We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

So umm, Ozzy worked to restore the credibility of Black Sabbath by pissing all over himself, walking like a zombie on stage, needing a telepromter on stage so that he wouldn't forget the lyrics to Paranoid and War Pigs... If anyone's lost all credibility, it's Ozzy Osbourne. Biggest joke in the business.

+1

He is embarrassing to the whole metal scene.  

This is the lamest thing Ozzy & Sharon would have done.
I mean imagine Paul Dianno to sue Iron Maiden, claiming it was him who brought them to underground fame!! For what?! I mean after nearly 30 years!
No wonder why Sabbath created Devil & Daughter! ;)

When Ozzy left the band/was fired the second time in 78-79, he signed away all his rights to anything associated with Sabbath.  Iommi bought the rights to all Sabbath material in 1985

Ozzy was fire pre-Sharon. And now all she sees is $$$ as Iommi is going after Live Nation.

After reading her Iron Maiden trashing in her book and the Daisley/Kerslake stunt,i didn`t think she could stoop any lower,she continues to proove me wrong!

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The lawsuit will likely move forward.

I understand the "true" Black Sabbath is with Ozzy (although the other eras are great too... well some of them, but everyone knows Ozzy Black Sabbath), but why does him singing in the band for 10 years make him eligible to get all the money in their history?

Iommi is Black Sabbath.

It disgusts me that the court gave permission for this frivolous lawsuit. Sharon must've paid them off. It's not like she doesn't have the money and unfortunately if the Osbourne's do win this that will be why, because they have the money to make this happen more so than poor Iommi. This pisses me off enough to boycott ShOzzy and not give the greedy fuck's another cent of my money. Iommi IS BLACK SABBATH. Long live the man that invented Heavy Metal.

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Does he really need the money?  Really?

This whole thing fucking disgusts me, I'll be honest. Should Ozzy, Geezer, and Bill have some stake in the albums that were put out with that lineup? Certainly. Should Ozzy (and by proxy, Sharon) have any stake in the material produced without his involvement? Absofuckinglutely NOT. The ONLY reason that Ozzy can make the claim of "bringing Black Sabbath back from the brink" is due to the tremendous interest in that particular lineup reforming. Period. The same amount of interest would have been garnered if, instead of the original classic lineup reforming in 1997, the current 'Heaven and Hell' lineup reformed. The fact of the matter is that through good and bad times, it has ALWAYS been Tony Iommi keeping the brand going, period.

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I love Sabbath, Tony, Ozzy, Dio, Geezer, Bill.... so I won't comment on all the legal crap.  But, I saw Sabbath in 1994 and again in 1995 at the Universal Amphitheatre in LA - not a football stadium, but defintely not a small club.   They still kicked ass even with Tony Martin fronting the band.

Anyway, Sabbath rules with Ozzy and beyond. 

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Fuck. There is no reason for this at all.

Ozzy (Sharon), you're out of the band, Iommi had the rights to the band. If you wanted it settled, you should have done this back in 1979, not when Iommi isn't even using the fucking Black Sabbath name anymore.

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Oh man, this is just sick. 
Yeah, yeah, the classic Black Sabbath lineup made this band great. But there were many other musicians in BS who contributed no less. If it was just the old band, with Ozzy and Bill, they would leave Sabbath sooner or later and it would become yet another disbanded classic. But there was Dio. There was Martin. There were other guys who kept the band up and running all these years, who made the reunion possible, who just recorded some marvelous albums - as for me, Heaven&Hell and Headless Cross are not only two of the greatest heavy metal recordings... they are two finest Sabbath albums, which are far more professinal and interesting than the albums from Ozzy era! Of course, it is hard for me to judge... 'case when I grew up, there was no Sabbath, there were other bands... And I discovered Sabbath relatively recently - practically, after watching Tony Martin live in 2006 with his solo wark and some BS classics and that was GREAT! And, well, I've been listening to Dio for practically all my life... 
Concerning Ozzy... I respect him. I like his solo work. But to say that just him, or just the classic lineup was the real Sabbath is terrible disrespect for all the others. Tell you what, in my opinion, if you're sharing the trademark - don't forget Dio, Martin, Appice, Nicholls. Don't be in it only for the money. Don't ruin the glorious past by selfish actions like this stupid lawsuit, that is even more stupid in the light of the fact that Iommi actually toured under H&H name instead of using BS. 

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We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

So umm, Ozzy worked to restore the credibility of Black Sabbath by pissing all over himself, walking like a zombie on stage, needing a telepromter on stage so that he wouldn't forget the lyrics to Paranoid and War Pigs... If anyone's lost all credibility, it's Ozzy Osbourne. Biggest joke in the business.

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He is embarrassing to the whole metal scene.

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I know Ozzy isn't exactly all there and most of this is likely Sharon's doing but a man has to be responsible for himself at some point. I can't stand either of them. I know I dont have allll the info but this is just lame as hell.

I wish Ozzy would just retire for good and go away.

 

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I really wanna believe this is a joke.

I second this.

"The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996."

I laughed just at reading that. It was never about Ozzy's vocals for me at least. I think he is probably one of the most overrated vocalists out there. Even on his solo work it was always the guitars that made it good. Not his vocals.

I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

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I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

Autotune technology isn't that old, is it?  I don't think it would have been developed until the mid-1990s at the earliest, when Pro Tools started gaining popularity.

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I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

Autotune technology isn't that old, is it?  I don't think it would have been developed until the mid-1990s at the earliest, when Pro Tools started gaining popularity.

97. You're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

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I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

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I concur. Ozzy has a "distinct" voice. He doesn't have a "good" voice. I've always wondered when he started to use Autotune cause that's ALL he uses right now to give the illusion he can still sing. From what I can hear in his solo work sounds like he started to use it around No Rest for the Wicked. But maybe my ears fail me again.

Autotune technology isn't that old, is it?  I don't think it would have been developed until the mid-1990s at the earliest, when Pro Tools started gaining popularity.

97. You're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

Yep. That would be around the time he was able to use it in the studio. Frankly, most of the bootlegs I have from the No Rest for the Wicked era through the end of No More Tears, it's hit or miss. When he was having a good night, he sounded great. When he wasn't, he sounded like shit. Once he came out of 'retirement' for Ozzmosis...well, nearly every bootleg I have from 1995 on, he sounds like shit.

Does he have a distinctive voice? Absolutely. But the only person I can think of who might have been remotely influenced by Ozzy's vocal style? Zakk Wylde in Black Label. That's about it. Nearly everyone else influenced by Sabbath always talks about either Iommi or Geezer. As cool as the idea of the original Sabbath lineup getting back together was, that one night at the end of the "No More Tours" tour was the only time it ever sounded GOOD. I don't even want to think about how much doctoring was necessary for the Reunion live album from 97...I have bootlegs of both nights and he sounded fucking terrible.

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I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Agreed.  Tony doesn't need to stoop to Sharon's level.

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 I´m going to side Tony on this. That  biatch needs to be taught a lesson.

 It has been proven that you can replace Ozzy but you can´t replace Tony. Period.

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I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Agreed.  Tony doesn't need to stoop to Sharon's level.

 
oh yeah, absolutely...it was intended to be absurd or sarcastic...It just pissed me off about the Daisley/Kerslake issue...and now this on top of it!
 
I hope Sharon falls flat on her face in court...I've lost all respect for her.
 


 

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Does he have a distinctive voice? Absolutely. But the only person I can think of who might have been remotely influenced by Ozzy's vocal style? Zakk Wylde in Black Label.

Magnus Pelander from the great Witchcraft also has quite a distinct Ozzy influence.

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97. You're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

Exactly, but from what I remember about that album it didn't sound remotely as artificial as the few things I've heard from Black Rain. Before that it was all about double-tracking the fuck out of his vocals, which is something Layne Staley also did on the last record he did with AiC.

Hey...at least Ozzy didn't do something really crappy like fire his guitarist of 20 years thru the press...at least he didn't do that

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I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Nah. Just use Ronnie James Dio. He is after all Black Sabbath's frontman at the moment.

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I think Tony Iommi should remaster all the Ozzy-era Black Sabbath albums and bring in a different singer to re-record the vocal tracks...

I see what you are getting at... but that would be totally absurd.

Nah. Just use Ronnie James Dio. He is after all Black Sabbath's frontman at the moment.

Please, no. I can't stand the way he sang those songs on Live Evil. Leave Dio to his own stuff, please.

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Please lets not suggest we fuck with history, Ozzy's vocals are an essential part of those classic early Sabbath albums. This would never happen, Iommi, is a real gentleman and would never do such a thing.

Dio, please no, his voice, as good as it is, simply does not suit many of those old songs.
Listen to the, 'Live Evil', for proof.
Plus I doubt if he'd be interested in such a thing, his dislike for singing the Ozzy era tunes is well known.

As the old saying goes, 'two wrongs, don't make a right'.

gazinwales


Please lets not suggest we fuck with history, Ozzy's vocals are an essential part of those classic early Sabbath albums. This would never happen, Iommi, is a real gentleman and would never do such a thing.

Dio, please no, his voice, as good as it is, simply does not suit many of those old songs.
Listen to the, 'Live Evil', for proof.
Plus I doubt if he'd be interested in such a thing, his dislike for singing the Ozzy era tunes is well known.

As the old saying goes, 'two wrongs, don't make a right'.

u're right. The first time he would have used it is on Down To Earth.

This.  I am staunchly against the re-recording of parts of earlier records...Just because Ozzy screwed over his former bandmates on BOO and DOAM doesn't make it right to do it to the Sabbath stuff...

"Be careful.  You're a man who makes people afraid, and that's dangerous."

"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes em' afraid."

If Ozzy had QUIT Sabbath in 1979 I'd say too bad, so sad.  But he was forced out of a band that he really did have a substantial part in building to its level of fame.  Hard to say how the subsequent years value out, but looking at it equitably, Ozzy should be collecting a full band member's share of royalties from every Sabbath album on which he appeared, but anything beyond that is going to be tough to quantify.

well...he did quit (during Technical Ecstacy) and they brought him back...

I haven't read up on it in a few years but I think that's how it went down...either way...it's just a bunch of millionairs squabbling over a ton of money...

"Be careful.  You're a man who makes people afraid, and that's dangerous."

"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes em' afraid."

Actually, it was during Never Say Die that Ozzy quit.

And I wouldn't call this "just a bunch of millionaires squabbling over money." In the case of one party, I would say it's about the integrity of the band that he has been actively involved in and holding together and keeping in business for four decades, and the other party, well, obviously that person feels that Black Sabbath means something entirely different. I think that much like the albums and the contributions of certain members in his camp that he's gone out of his way to delete over the years, Ozzy wants anything and everything bearing the name Black Sabbath that he wasn't involved in to be wiped off the face of the earth because, as he's stated numerous times, he feels that Black Sabbath was those four guys. Even in his book, he gave some props to Dio, said that he doesn't have a problem with him (anymore), he just wishes that they'd not gone on as "Black Sabbath."

Sharon, on the other hand? Totally looking for bucks.

Knowledge without mileage equals bullshit. - Henry Rollins

I stand corrected....

and I should point out that I was totally joking...

I agree with most of the sentiment here...re-recording the bass and drums on the first two solo records was a horrible decision rooted in greed.

"Be careful.  You're a man who makes people afraid, and that's dangerous."

"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes em' afraid."

WilliamMunny


well...he did quit (during Technical Ecstacy) and they brought him back...

I haven't read up on it in a few years but I think that's how it went down...either way...it's just a bunch of millionairs squabbling over a ton of money...

Oh, that's strange.  I looked it up on wikipedia and it said he was fired.  I wouldn't be SURPRISED to hear he had quit.