DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS - Coming June 23rd!

anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

gregj


anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

Im guessing late May / Early June

"A Dramatic...Turntable..of Events"

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

Now, would you get better sound if you bought SC or BC&SL on vinyl?  No. If I recall right SC was from the same digital master as the cd and it'll probably be the case for the new album too. You'll just end up getting the digital master pressed on a vinyl and as gregj already said it'll be compressed to death. So there's really no point buying the vinyl for sound quality. If the BC&SL vinyl would be from different analog master than the cd, or even from digital master with higher sampling rate than CD, then it would sound better.


 

gborland

gazinwales


I was thinking of Tasmania.

Tasmania isn't south-east of Australia; it is, in fact, part of Australia.

Tasmania is most certainly not part of Australia. They like to think they are but they're not

I would love to buy a Jumping Castle

SyStemaTiK88

gregj


anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

Im guessing late May / Early June

you are joking, I thought since shooting was done by end of March, mid/end April would be the date.

GJ

gregj

SyStemaTiK88

gregj


anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

Im guessing late May / Early June

you are joking, I thought since shooting was done by end of March, mid/end April would be the date.

I only guessed that becaus I thought they might release it closer to when the album will be released.  I dont really know

"A Dramatic...Turntable..of Events"

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

Now, would you get better sound if you bought SC or BC&SL on vinyl?  No. If I recall right SC was from the same digital master as the cd and it'll probably be the case for the new album too. You'll just end up getting the digital master pressed on a vinyl and as gregj already said it'll be compressed to death. So there's really no point buying the vinyl for sound quality. If the BC&SL vinyl would be from different analog master than the cd, or even from digital master with higher sampling rate than CD, then it would sound better.

I still going to get the vinyl though, because it will still have the vinyl sound even though it may not sound as nice as vinyl can... And of course, having the album cover on a gigantic cardboard sleeve looks way cooler than having it on a tiny 12.5 cm plastic case. That breaks when dropped.

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Actually there's one advantage for the sound quality. There's no digital to analog conversion to mess up the signal when using a vinyl player. If you don't have a cd player with good DAC, it might be a bit better.

I was actually considering getting the vinyl just as a collector's item, if I have the extra cash for it. The bigger artwork is always a nice addition. I bought the SC vinyl too and I do have an old vinyl player stacked away, but I don't have a room for it at the moment. I have to dig it out someday and see how it works.

absolutezero

YtseJamal

ceratirose


i dreamed the other dayy that i had a rite of passage in my computer! it was like the dark eternal night! lol!

i need to listen some of this new album please...move on DT =(

Heyyyy haha, I had the same dream but with the release of the Video, A Rite Of Passage, And the video not the music was something like Constan Motion's video.

(Por cierto es yamal )

You guys are all weird...my dreams usually consist of at least one hot babe and some kind of horse or donkey for some reason

Hahaha.... Usually have dreams with hot babes too, but that night I was seeing DT videos and thinking a lot about the new album XD

Looking forward to this album so much! 

I got no distance left to run... 

Why do we have to wait almost 3 months to get this album in our hands???????
I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

I am super excited about this album (like all DT Releases I have been a part of). I am trying to put my mind on other bands but I am just looking at like this in 82 days from today not including the 23rd we will have it in ours hands!!!!

But June 23rd cannot come soon enough!!!!

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

exactly, you get nothing but a pure waveform on vinyl, that is if you have been doing analog work. for example since the DT album will have been done with protools, and digitally mastered and whatnot it wont be a pure waveform. though the vinyl will still give it a bit of a warmer sound just from the transfer. 

"And on the 8th day, God created Dream Theater. God then proceeded to rock out with his cock out."  
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cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

Nyquist cutoff... wow... where did you learn that thing...

So all this conversation to tell... that music is more "earlable" (sorry my english) in vinyl than the cd, although the cd doesn´t need so many cares with the scratching...

cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

so is cd discrete while vinyl continuous??

im getting all the formats of it anyway  but i really hoped they had a 5.1 of this album as well... 

cellardoor

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

The ear may not be able to hear above that frequency, but frequencies above that range still affect the qualities of the sound/interaction of sound waves.

"The guy is a professional artist who is very accomplished and as such I believe he has earned the artistic freedom to have "bad contrast" and what not." ~ wackybrak

 Yes, and the same goes for the extra lower frequencies, which you can also feel (if the sound system is up to bar).

Is it possible that the album title was modeled after "Black Holes & Revelations"? Being that they're huge Muse fans.

simply put, i would have to say no.

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 The album drops the day after I finish this school year 

My teeth taste funny today... They seem more jagged than normal...

mikhail666

cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

so is cd discrete while vinyl continuous??

im getting all the formats of it anyway  but i really hoped they had a 5.1 of this album as well...

Yes, I believe (or at least that's what I was taught) that the definition of analogue is when a device is "continously variable", while a CD is made up of binary code that has been derived from discreet measurements of the original waveform. So you can imagine that it is necessary to have a very good CD player with an excellent digital to audio converter to get an accurate representation of the original waveform.

I love nerdy stuff like this!

http://www.reverbnation.com/alexanderharmer

I can't wait for the new record, and I hope Paul Northfield did a better mix like on SC.

DT produced the new record and should care of good sound. When I hear Awake against SC, I hear a huge difference... the first one has much more dynamics, while SC is too compressed.

C'mon guys.... I would like to hear a proper DT album.... great songs AND good sound quality.

By the way: DT said they were also influenced by Black Sabbath. The Deluxe Remaster Edition "Paranoid" sounds great... no de-noising and only a slight compression. 

gborland

gazinwales


I was thinking of Tasmania.

Tasmania isn't south-east of Australia; it is, in fact, part of Australia.

Oh wow, I never knew that :)

This is going to be a good year for me in terms of new albums by bands I dig...DT, Neal Morse, Spock's Beard (hopefully), Manic Street Preachers, Eels, Muse, Graham Coxon, Blur (possibly)...already I've snagged new ones by Morrissey and Trail of Dead...after a shite 2008, 2009 is shaping up to be great!

I got no distance left to run... 

Nothing quite beats 4 epics that are like 15 minutes each.  If the album ends up being truly incredible, I expect the followup to have song lengths that would make Godspeed You! Black Emperor want to throw up.

DTChemist


This is going to be a good year for me in terms of new albums by bands I dig...DT, Neal Morse, Spock's Beard (hopefully), Manic Street Preachers, Eels, Muse, Graham Coxon, Blur (possibly)...already I've snagged new ones by Morrissey and Trail of Dead...after a shite 2008, 2009 is shaping up to be great!

Mars Volta, Mute Math, Incubus, Porcupine Tree, just to add on to that list

"A Dramatic...Turntable..of Events"

Don't forget Devin Townsend, Devin Townsend, Devin Townsend, and Devin Townsend.

"Set it..."
"and forget it!!!"
-Ronco Showtime

^ Literally. Hahaha.

We'll still have her song to sing. Sing softly, bring me to the lake. Sing softly, sing me to the lake.

I vowed after listening to the 30 second teaser when it was released that I wouldnt listen to it again..but today is my birthday and I wanted something to cheer me up cause my day hasnt gone that well.  That teaser brought me right up

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At this point I'm just wondering when we'll be able to preorder the album from amazon or wherever.

Hopefully soon!

I got no distance left to run... 

10 more weeks.... pfffffffff.... come on june!!!!

Never in my 17 years of being part of DT I have been so phyched 'bout their new album....

 
  
 
 

Damn, I just want to pre order the album RIGHT NOW!!!

 

JoSeM90DT


Damn, I just want to pre order the album RIGHT NOW!!!

For reeeeaal.  Incubus' june album is already up on Amazon..where is DT!

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I agree with those who are concerned about a compressed production like SC.  Why a group like DT would want the dynamic range to be removed is beyond me.  They actually incorporate this fundemental principle of music while writing but have it severely limited in the mixing process.  The sooner this trend in the music buisness is reversed the better.   

We did an interview with JR today for our podcast, where the production was discussed a bit. Here's an excerpt (not 100% transcribed, but close enough):

"The sound of the instruments - all the instruments sound even better than they ever have, like the drums sound really really good, and the guitars are really dialed in, as well as it could be, the keyboards sound great, and the bass sounds better than, i think, it ever has on a dream theater album and the vocals sound awesome
[...]
even down to the mastering of the album, the mastering was much more effective, and the dynamics are still left in the music in a big way, more so than a lot of albums these days - that whole loudness war that i'm sure you've heard about
[...]
where people are trying to make it so their music is louder than other music [...] this time around we said we're not going to play this game, that's ridiculous - we left the dynamics really in the music. I think it makes a big difference to the listening experience..."

- Get the DTNorway Podcast HERE or HERE.

^^^

Awesome!! I hope it's true!

Get up and deconstruct.

that would definitely be really great.

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That's the greatest thing I've heard about the new album.  You cannot imagine how happy that made me. Thanks for posting it noxon and kudos fo DT if they've really done that.

YES!!!!!!

absolutezero, Ph.D.
(I just love writing that now after my name!)

Oh. HELL. FREAKING. YEAH.

No idea how good that news is.

So. So. So. So. GOOD.

"Guys, I think I'm gunna change my look." - John Myung, 2004.

Really good news. #10 baby...t'will be the one. Epic.
 
Glad they decided to address the loudness issue. Damn I love this band.

Progemon

That's the greatest thing I've heard about the new album.  You cannot imagine how happy that made me. Thanks for posting it noxon and kudos fo DT if they've really done that.

+1

... and...

absolutezero


YES!!!!!!

... This.

DT's work-rate is absolutely amazing. Only a month back I was wondering if they'll keep the bi-annual(?) momentum and a few days later I was all :D
Seriously though, we are all loved. 5 studio albums in the last 7 years (SDOIT to the upcoming one) is just awesome     .

Your signature here.

noxon


We did an interview with JR today for our podcast, where the production was discussed a bit. Here's an excerpt (not 100% transcribed, but close enough):

"The sound of the instruments - all the instruments sound even better than they ever have, like the drums sound really really good, and the guitars are really dialed in, as well as it could be, the keyboards sound great, and the bass sounds better than, i think, it ever has on a dream theater album and the vocals sound awesome
[...]
even down to the mastering of the album, the mastering was much more effective, and the dynamics are still left in the music in a big way, more so than a lot of albums these days - that whole loudness war that i'm sure you've heard about
[...]
where people are trying to make it so their music is louder than other music [...] this time around we said we're not going to play this game, that's ridiculous - we left the dynamics really in the music. I think it makes a big difference to the listening experience..."

Sweet jesus that's the greatest news ever... please be true

cellardoor

noxon


We did an interview with JR today for our podcast, where the production was discussed a bit. Here's an excerpt (not 100% transcribed, but close enough):

"The sound of the instruments - all the instruments sound even better than they ever have, like the drums sound really really good, and the guitars are really dialed in, as well as it could be, the keyboards sound great, and the bass sounds better than, i think, it ever has on a dream theater album and the vocals sound awesome
[...]
even down to the mastering of the album, the mastering was much more effective, and the dynamics are still left in the music in a big way, more so than a lot of albums these days - that whole loudness war that i'm sure you've heard about
[...]
where people are trying to make it so their music is louder than other music [...] this time around we said we're not going to play this game, that's ridiculous - we left the dynamics really in the music. I think it makes a big difference to the listening experience..."

Sweet jesus that's the greatest news ever... please be true

 
If that does indeed end up being true, than HUGE kudos to MP and JP as the producers, for taking a stand for sound quality.

nikatapi


Why do we have to wait almost 3 months to get this album in our hands???????
I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

because it is going to be shaite, and they want fans to buy tickets without knowing that ;)

And to be honest, I think it is because now they want to rest a bit, the whole production has to start, promotion and all that crap. 
Tour has to be prepared, and that's an massive effort. And obviously, they have to learn that material - so it is ready for prime scene-time :)

At least that's my idea, if anyone knows any inside stories about it - I would be glad to hear em.

GJ

^^^Pretty much what he said. And also the CDs have to be produced. Artwork has to be printed and the CDs itself have to be made. For the CD to sell you have to build up the hype, so some promotion might not hurt. That's probably the two main reasons.

CD and artwork printing really doesn't take too long.

The design of the actual artwork itself would be a little speed bump.

But yeah, they do need to leave some room for promotion.

It does annoy me, though, just how long it takes once the album's been announced. Oh well. Well worth the wait, I'm sure.

"Guys, I think I'm gunna change my look." - John Myung, 2004.

the wait will be worth it. but damn. im goin dry.

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Concert Culture 
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Brakkum


the wait will be worth it. but damn. im goin dry.

Oh the 23rd will be a glorious day.  The day Systematic Chaos was a great day..driving around trying to find a place to buy it then my friend calls and says he got his in the mail and I sped over and we had our first listen through.  Great times

"A Dramatic...Turntable..of Events"

I am so excited for this cd...i just cant fucking wait!!!

That's awesome.  DT is kicking the loudness war in the ass.  From what Jordan said it is clear that they understand the problem and are revolting from it. 

If only they could remaster SC.  My guess is that Repentance would sound very different with the dynamics restored.  Has anyone heard it live and noticed any difference? One can always hope.  I'm just relieved that DT is changing course.

That's awesome news. Can't wait to hear this.

I'm glad they've abandoned the loudness wars!  This album should sound awesome...

I got no distance left to run... 

Amazon finally has Black Clouds and Silver Linings up..except they are imports, going to be released June 30th, and are around 55 dollars for the special ed and 33 for the regular edition.  But this must mean we are close to being able to pre order!

"A Dramatic...Turntable..of Events"

I agree with whoever said that JR's production comments are the best thing released so far on the new album. Progressive music is meant to be heard, not just loud metal noise. Metallica is simply not a good proxy, they are a corporate band more or less that needs to deliberately try and sound like themselves (rather than just be themselves).

I hope MP will release octavarium and systematic chaos remastered, in the same fashion in future.
I would like to take this opportunity on behalf of many you hear, to ask him for it please :)

I don't think anything about 8VM needs to be changed. SC, though, for sure.

"Guys, I think I'm gunna change my look." - John Myung, 2004.

I would like to hear Octavarium and SC remastered. Thank you very much! 

This news still makes me smile.  

Seems that our rants about the sound quality weren't for nothing afterall. 

From Dave Ling's (UK Journo) Dairy:

...“Your post is over there”, I opened a mailer that contained… ulp… a watermarked promo of Dream Theater’s newie, ‘Black Clouds And Silver Linings’. Drummer and mouthpiece Mike Portnoy had already whetted the appetite of the band’s fans with his quote of: “Imagine if ‘A Change Of Seasons’, ‘Octavarium’, ‘Learning To Live’, ‘Pull Me Under’ and ‘The Glass Prison’ were all [contained] on one Dream Theater album”, but a simple glance at the song timings – 16 mins and 10 seconds, 8.35, 5.25, 12.49, 13.07 and 19.16 – almost had me drooling. 75 minutes later and the oafish ineptitude of R Booth (Nottinghamshire) is a long-distant irrelevance. ‘A Rite Of Passage’ and the soaring ‘Wither’ are destined to thrill those that prefer DT in more succinct form, but… the rest of the album… Christ! Apart from pointing out that the band has cut back on the growled vocals of the last album and **really** played to its long-established strengths, it’s hard to know where to begin. So instead I’ll leave it till the official unveiling date of June 22 for you to add your own personal choice of superlative...

oh dear...

aw fuck

fighting the loudness war and "

yes.

rwessel


From Dave Ling's (UK Journo) Dairy:

...the band has cut back on the growled vocals of the last album

This is great news to me. My only complaint about James' voice over the years has been when he tries to sound heavier than he has the capacity to. His real strength is in melodic singing, so hopefully this quote means that the new album will be more melodic overall. Can't wait to hear it....

this is my second time that i am exited about their new album.first whit sistematyc chaos now whit this black clouds and silver linings.i have 17 years and when i  finish my school year album is going to be relased and then i am going to listen it to whole summer because they wont come to serbia to play live.  Sorry about my english bye

 

shonedt


this is my second time that i am exited about their new album.first whit sistematyc chaos now whit this black clouds and silver linings.i have 17 years and when i  finish my school year album is going to be relased and then i am going to listen it to whole summer because they wont come to serbia to play live.  Sorry about my english bye

E jebiga, bili su u Zagrebu na SC turneji  ;).  Pozdrav iz Sarajeva...


BTW, love the song timing info, 15 minutes is perfect DT song length for me  :D

chenga

E jebiga, bili su u Zagrebu na SC turneji  ;).  Pozdrav iz Sarajeva...

BTW, love the song timing info, 15 minutes is perfect DT song length for me  :D

I bilo je predobro, ako ne racunamo par budala s pivom na kraju, ono mi nikad nece bit jasno!!??

Looks like the reviewer is really impressed by the album. One thing that bugs me though, the sentence: "band **really** played to its long-established strengths". What's that supposed to mean? I wouldn't want a rehash of previous albums, that's what compilations are for.
Or maybe I just misunderstood it?

In any case, looking forward to it!!!

This is all looking so so promising, I hope it rings true since DT haven't been my cup of tea (with regards to new material) since '05.

So great, everything sounds so promising!
Skip the loudness war and growl was terrific news! Can´t wait!

Donno if this have been mentioned before. But in the interview with JR he said that Best Of Times is about mike´s relation with his dad and that A Rite Of Passage is about the Freemason.

not even one, but freemasons  ;)
Hence the eye, on canvas.

All in all, this can be one of a hell good album!

Everything seems so perfect. 6 songs at 75 minutes with 4 of them beeing around 10-20 minutes is just awsome. Skipping the loudness war is just awsome! The very nice artwork! The limited edition with 6 covers! The very nice "review"! Iam one very happy fan right now :)!

Not that i never ever thought anything else. Maybe SC wasen't as superb as the ones before, but still very good.

"Good artists copy. Great artists steal"

For any UK forumers, amazon UK has the standard and special edition CDs up now, but you can only sign up to be notified when they can be pre-ordered.  Dunno why they don't just let you pre-order right away.

Good news on the loudness war thing!

Didn't Jordan also mention clip for RoP to be out this month ?
I hope it wasn't just me trying to hear that, gotta relisten the interview.

I'm just curious as to if Mike will be revealing anything on his birthday. maybe we've been naughty children this year. although last time I checked Mike wasn't Santa...

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Come out already. :[

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