DREAM THEATER - BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS - Coming June 23rd!

anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

gregj


anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

Im guessing late May / Early June

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

Now, would you get better sound if you bought SC or BC&SL on vinyl?  No. If I recall right SC was from the same digital master as the cd and it'll probably be the case for the new album too. You'll just end up getting the digital master pressed on a vinyl and as gregj already said it'll be compressed to death. So there's really no point buying the vinyl for sound quality. If the BC&SL vinyl would be from different analog master than the cd, or even from digital master with higher sampling rate than CD, then it would sound better.


 

gborland

gazinwales


I was thinking of Tasmania.

Tasmania isn't south-east of Australia; it is, in fact, part of Australia.

Tasmania is most certainly not part of Australia. They like to think they are but they're not

SyStemaTiK88

gregj


anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

Im guessing late May / Early June

you are joking, I thought since shooting was done by end of March, mid/end April would be the date.

gregj

SyStemaTiK88

gregj


anyone knows when the video to 'rite of passage' will be out roughly ?
me cannot wait...

Im guessing late May / Early June

you are joking, I thought since shooting was done by end of March, mid/end April would be the date.

I only guessed that becaus I thought they might release it closer to when the album will be released.  I dont really know

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

Now, would you get better sound if you bought SC or BC&SL on vinyl?  No. If I recall right SC was from the same digital master as the cd and it'll probably be the case for the new album too. You'll just end up getting the digital master pressed on a vinyl and as gregj already said it'll be compressed to death. So there's really no point buying the vinyl for sound quality. If the BC&SL vinyl would be from different analog master than the cd, or even from digital master with higher sampling rate than CD, then it would sound better.

I still going to get the vinyl though, because it will still have the vinyl sound even though it may not sound as nice as vinyl can... And of course, having the album cover on a gigantic cardboard sleeve looks way cooler than having it on a tiny 12.5 cm plastic case. That breaks when dropped.

Actually there's one advantage for the sound quality. There's no digital to analog conversion to mess up the signal when using a vinyl player. If you don't have a cd player with good DAC, it might be a bit better.

I was actually considering getting the vinyl just as a collector's item, if I have the extra cash for it. The bigger artwork is always a nice addition. I bought the SC vinyl too and I do have an old vinyl player stacked away, but I don't have a room for it at the moment. I have to dig it out someday and see how it works.

absolutezero

YtseJamal

ceratirose


i dreamed the other dayy that i had a rite of passage in my computer! it was like the dark eternal night! lol!

i need to listen some of this new album please...move on DT =(

Heyyyy haha, I had the same dream but with the release of the Video, A Rite Of Passage, And the video not the music was something like Constan Motion's video.

(Por cierto es yamal )

You guys are all weird...my dreams usually consist of at least one hot babe and some kind of horse or donkey for some reason

Hahaha.... Usually have dreams with hot babes too, but that night I was seeing DT videos and thinking a lot about the new album XD

Looking forward to this album so much! 

Why do we have to wait almost 3 months to get this album in our hands???????
I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

I am super excited about this album (like all DT Releases I have been a part of). I am trying to put my mind on other bands but I am just looking at like this in 82 days from today not including the 23rd we will have it in ours hands!!!!

But June 23rd cannot come soon enough!!!!

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

exactly, you get nothing but a pure waveform on vinyl, that is if you have been doing analog work. for example since the DT album will have been done with protools, and digitally mastered and whatnot it wont be a pure waveform. though the vinyl will still give it a bit of a warmer sound just from the transfer. 

cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

Nyquist cutoff... wow... where did you learn that thing...

So all this conversation to tell... that music is more "earlable" (sorry my english) in vinyl than the cd, although the cd doesn´t need so many cares with the scratching...

cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

so is cd discrete while vinyl continuous??

im getting all the formats of it anyway  but i really hoped they had a 5.1 of this album as well... 

cellardoor

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

The ear may not be able to hear above that frequency, but frequencies above that range still affect the qualities of the sound/interaction of sound waves.

 Yes, and the same goes for the extra lower frequencies, which you can also feel (if the sound system is up to bar).

Is it possible that the album title was modeled after "Black Holes & Revelations"? Being that they're huge Muse fans.

simply put, i would have to say no.

 The album drops the day after I finish this school year 

mikhail666

cellardoor

Progemon

Cyclopssss


Vinyl sounds 'warmer' because it has more dynamics in the lows in stead of cd's which have more dynamics in the highs....or something.

Vinyl sounds warmer, because it has wider frequency range (15Hz-25kHz) than CD (20Hz-20kHz). CD on the other hand has wider dynamice range 96dB vs vinyls 75dB, which is nowadays used for loudness, not dynamics. Also vinyl recaptures the whole waveform where as CD samples it and loses some of the information.

The human ear can't really hear above 20.5 kHz on CDs or vinyl, eliminating many of the highest frequencies.  It's called the Nyquist cutoff.  The difference lies in the analog/digital discrepancy, because as you said, a CD is "sampling", or taking many individual snapshots, of the underlying sound.

so is cd discrete while vinyl continuous??

im getting all the formats of it anyway  but i really hoped they had a 5.1 of this album as well...

Yes, I believe (or at least that's what I was taught) that the definition of analogue is when a device is "continously variable", while a CD is made up of binary code that has been derived from discreet measurements of the original waveform. So you can imagine that it is necessary to have a very good CD player with an excellent digital to audio converter to get an accurate representation of the original waveform.

I love nerdy stuff like this!

I can't wait for the new record, and I hope Paul Northfield did a better mix like on SC.

DT produced the new record and should care of good sound. When I hear Awake against SC, I hear a huge difference... the first one has much more dynamics, while SC is too compressed.

C'mon guys.... I would like to hear a proper DT album.... great songs AND good sound quality.

By the way: DT said they were also influenced by Black Sabbath. The Deluxe Remaster Edition "Paranoid" sounds great... no de-noising and only a slight compression. 

gborland

gazinwales


I was thinking of Tasmania.

Tasmania isn't south-east of Australia; it is, in fact, part of Australia.

Oh wow, I never knew that :)

This is going to be a good year for me in terms of new albums by bands I dig...DT, Neal Morse, Spock's Beard (hopefully), Manic Street Preachers, Eels, Muse, Graham Coxon, Blur (possibly)...already I've snagged new ones by Morrissey and Trail of Dead...after a shite 2008, 2009 is shaping up to be great!

Nothing quite beats 4 epics that are like 15 minutes each.  If the album ends up being truly incredible, I expect the followup to have song lengths that would make Godspeed You! Black Emperor want to throw up.

DTChemist


This is going to be a good year for me in terms of new albums by bands I dig...DT, Neal Morse, Spock's Beard (hopefully), Manic Street Preachers, Eels, Muse, Graham Coxon, Blur (possibly)...already I've snagged new ones by Morrissey and Trail of Dead...after a shite 2008, 2009 is shaping up to be great!

Mars Volta, Mute Math, Incubus, Porcupine Tree, just to add on to that list

Don't forget Devin Townsend, Devin Townsend, Devin Townsend, and Devin Townsend.

^ Literally. Hahaha.

I vowed after listening to the 30 second teaser when it was released that I wouldnt listen to it again..but today is my birthday and I wanted something to cheer me up cause my day hasnt gone that well.  That teaser brought me right up

At this point I'm just wondering when we'll be able to preorder the album from amazon or wherever.

Hopefully soon!

10 more weeks.... pfffffffff.... come on june!!!!

Never in my 17 years of being part of DT I have been so phyched 'bout their new album....

Damn, I just want to pre order the album RIGHT NOW!!!

JoSeM90DT


Damn, I just want to pre order the album RIGHT NOW!!!

For reeeeaal.  Incubus' june album is already up on Amazon..where is DT!

I agree with those who are concerned about a compressed production like SC.  Why a group like DT would want the dynamic range to be removed is beyond me.  They actually incorporate this fundemental principle of music while writing but have it severely limited in the mixing process.  The sooner this trend in the music buisness is reversed the better.   

We did an interview with JR today for our podcast, where the production was discussed a bit. Here's an excerpt (not 100% transcribed, but close enough):

"The sound of the instruments - all the instruments sound even better than they ever have, like the drums sound really really good, and the guitars are really dialed in, as well as it could be, the keyboards sound great, and the bass sounds better than, i think, it ever has on a dream theater album and the vocals sound awesome
[...]
even down to the mastering of the album, the mastering was much more effective, and the dynamics are still left in the music in a big way, more so than a lot of albums these days - that whole loudness war that i'm sure you've heard about
[...]
where people are trying to make it so their music is louder than other music [...] this time around we said we're not going to play this game, that's ridiculous - we left the dynamics really in the music. I think it makes a big difference to the listening experience..."

^^^

Awesome!! I hope it's true!

that would definitely be really great.