Dave Matthews Speaks Out About the War...

ORIGINAL: deaddrahma

If this wasn' t so long, I' d have a new sig. Sean, you' re a downright decent human being.

It' s only 4 lines.

Maybe if the people who are " Anti-War" were so against killing children, they should instead of trying to fight the removal of a mass murderer, end ABORTION! More humans die to abortion then would from this war.

See? That' s the difference between " illusive" and " elusive"
Dave Mathews said some good things there, with which I agree. Now, one of my problems with the whole thing is that G.W. and the US goverment went like " ok, the UN didn' t agree with us so we' re doing it by ourselves!" . Pretty nice and intelligent thing to do, now several countries back em up because it' s better in the political run, you' ll be nice to them, etc.
It' s not that we (the ones who are against this war, freedom of opinion and speech, it' s called) don' t want to attack Sadam even though he' s a despotic dictator SOB, it' s just that we don' t see the point in starting a war that, in the long run, could be HUGE, thus being the remedy worse than the disease. Just that, really.

Don' t get involved...But Sean, the Conservi-trolls are attacking...DON' T get involved...But Sean, the " pro-war" people are calling themselves the " pro-doing-the-right-thing" people...DON' T GET INVOLVED!...BUT SEAN!!! PHYLUM PULLED ABORTION OUT OF HIS BAG OF PARTY-LINE REBUTTALS IN AN EFFORT TO DEFLECT THE REAL ARGUEMENT!!! SAY SOMETHING!!!...10...9...8...7...6...ahhhhhh...I feel better.

perfectly stated...props!!!
Ryan

ORIGINAL: Matus

...It' s not that we (the ones who are against this war, freedom of opinion and speech, it' s called) don' t want to attack Sadam even though he' s a despotic dictator SOB, it' s just that we don' t see the point in starting a war that, in the long run, could be HUGE, thus being the remedy worse than the disease. Just that, really.

Well said! It' s hard to get that point through to the " if you' re not with us, you' re against us" people.

I' m not into going out of our way to bomb another country, but I' ve been thinking about the future here. Israel is a definite hotspot right now, and if Saddam launches his bioshit on Israel, they will go ballistic and start pushing buttons. They are on edge because of the shit they' ve been dealing with from all sides over the years, and all it takes is a hostile move to set it off. I would think a U.S. ass-kicking now would be better than turning that desert to glass later. In any case, who said anything about killing " hundreds of thousands of people?" Aren' t we beyond that now? We have those GPS guided shit so we can land a missle on Saddam' s lap while he' s on the John, not to mention strategical strikes against the infrastructure of that country to shut it down with minimal casualties.

DM has some good points, but it' s a bit thoughtless. The only one I found that I nodded at was the point about Saddam' s apparent martyrdom at the event of his death...that would definitely spark off some terrorist activity.

ORIGINAL: deaddrahma


It' s 402 characters long, and we only get 255. Sorry... next time, say less.

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Oh yeah mixing the loss of human life through abortion is so much more politically correct then through war, I forgot, yeah its all about CHOICE but war is all about murder.

Give me a break. Find a different argument then one based on human life, because unless you' re pro-life you stand on the edge of a knife and there' s a sucking sound pulling you the wrong way.

It' s hipocritical to feel bad about the living when you don' t feel bad about the LIFE.

These aren' t shades, these are blinders to those who disbelieve the relation to the two subjects -->

Still, PT, you don' t get the hint that abortion has no place in a war discussion. Is the soapbox under your feet or on your head blocking your eyes and ears?

Still, PT, you don' t get the hint that abortion has no place in a war discussion. Is the soapbox under your feet or on your head blocking your eyes and ears?

Why because you deem so?

There is no hint to get, if the issue is loss of life why war is bad, then the issue is life. If war is bad because innocent women and children are hurt, then you should also be against abortion, it' s a double standard, because you refuse to hear it doesn' t make it any less truthful or something that can' t be compared.

Problem with some of you is all views that do not coincide with your own are negative, wrong, and don' t belong, that is blind and ignorant in itself.

Sad really the only reason why it can' t be argued is because there is no valid reasons that could be shown to contradict what I' ve stated, so as usual the response is " you can' t say that."

ORIGINAL: Phylum Tardigrada

There is no hint to get, if the issue is loss of life why war is bad, then the issue is life.

There are so many issues and we have been over most of them by now. You can extend any one of those issues to another somewhat related arguement, i.e.:

Me:" The war is about oil." ,

You:" Well if the war is about oil, then we should ban all SUV' s because they consume unnecessary oil. If the war is about OIL then an SUV' s oil consumption is the issue."








And the big question I have for you:

How do you feel about the death penalty?

If war is bad because innocent women and children are hurt, then you should also be against abortion, it' s a double standard, because you refuse to hear it doesn' t make it any less truthful or something that can' t be compared.

I' m against abortion. Always have been...some of things I' ve seen (like those third trimester abortions [:' (]) are cruel. It' s murder, and I' m against it. Raise the fuckin kid, for God' s sake, and appreciate the fact that you weren' t aborted.

Well, that' s my opinion on abortion, but I think it came straight outta left field (hehe...puns) here.

Problem with some of you is all views that do not coincide with your own are negative, wrong, and don' t belong, that is blind and ignorant in itself.

Eh...I' d be careful throwing around a statement like that.

I.S. -

There are so many issues and we have been over most of them by now. You can extend any one of those issues to another somewhat related arguement, i.e.:

Yes, lots of issues have been gone over, and this thread is not really any different. I' m putting a different direction to the new argument that doesn' t go against the idea that Saddam is an insane murderer, just that regardless it doesn' t matter because wars bad because people might die, then adds in the old oil argument.

Oil is only the issue because it' s made the issue and you accept that by your own choice, I don' t accept it as a valid reason since there is plenty of oil resources outside of Iraq and that oil is still sold from Iraq.

And the big question I have for you:

How do you feel about the death penalty?

This is an argument against abortion, yes I' ve seen it before. The reality is that even though the Death Penalty isn' t a " good thing" even though it means someone will die, it is a needed thing. People should be punished and accept punishment for their crimes, regardless of the punishment I hope that they are in fact guilty when they pay what ever price that may be.

Liquid-Acid-Base -

Eh...I' d be careful throwing around a statement like that.

Well, it seems to be a common trait. I may disagree with people, and I may not like certain opinions but I don' t throw around particular labels such as " nazi" or " troll" or some other statement unless there is real basis other then not appreciating someones point of view.

This is slightly off topic, but if this war with Iraq is really " all about the oil" as many have said, why has the price of gas gone up and not down? You' d think that since we' re supposedly going to steal all of Iraq' s oil that we would see a tremendous drop in price.

This is slightly off topic, but if this war with Iraq is really " all about the oil" as many have said, why has the price of gas gone up and not down? You' d think that since we' re supposedly going to steal all of Iraq' s oil that we would see a tremendous drop in price.

Good question, it' s really based on several things. First demand will increase during certain events and with that oil consumption and prices to increase profits. Also Venezeula does have some action behind it.

It' s important to remember that when gas goes up at the pump .12 cents that more then likely .07 cents of that is taxes.

It is normal in business for prices to increase when demand or expected demands do... I remember when there was a " Ram Shortage" about 8 years ago (this time might be off) I was working at Multiple Zones, we sold ram, our prices went up 40% and we had litterally thousands of 16 mb, 32mb and 128mb chips in stock. I talked to many people who were in sales and stocking and they had large stocks just increased prices.

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The only real threat from Saddam Hussein is to his neighbors and none of them support a U.S. invasion.

I have a problem with this statement. Isreal is within target range of Iraq, and I' m pretty sure they' re for supporting a US Invasion. I' m not saying what' s right or wrong. I' m just wondering if Matthews' statement is misleading. Then again, Isreal could be against invasion. I haven' t heard much about where they stand on this issue.

I have to agree with you hear. In my American Goverment class we have a person from Pakistan recently immigrated to the country, and another who has close family in Iraq, they are originally of Middle East decent but this individual has lived in the US their whole life. The person from Pakistan commented that all of the countries surrounding Iraq are terrified of Saddam Hussein because of his past and would very much support a movement to remove him, however Pakistan would not help because of the problems internally in that country.

On a stronger note, the individual with family in Iraq keeps close contact with their family their, and their family commented to them on what the US is waiting for. They are anticipating and hoping for an attack by the United States and a removal of Saddam. The people here live in fear of what will happen to them should they not agree with the government. They are opressed and terrified because of the way in which Saddam rules his people, doing things like attacking them with Chemical or Biological weapons.

Many of the people in this region very highly support an invasion of Iraq, and pray for a regime change, hoping for what happened in Afghanistan to happen there.

-Mike

ORIGINAL: Phylum Tardigrada

...then adds in the old oil argument.

Oil is only the issue because it' s made the issue and you accept that by your own choice, I don' t accept it as a valid reason since there is plenty of oil resources outside of Iraq and that oil is still sold from Iraq.

<<sigh>> It' s called an example. I could have asked the question about cabbage. I was not bringing oil into it, I was showing you how your logic doesn' t hold by simply inserting another issue in place of LIFE. Of course you twisted it in an attempt to not have to answer the question.

... even though it means someone will die, it is a needed thing. People should be punished and accept punishment for their crimes, regardless of the punishment I hope that they are in fact guilty when they pay what ever price that may be.

So then it' s not about LIFE anymore if it doesn' t meet your " wrong vs right" criteria?!?!? I get it. Abortion is wrong, you can' t end a fetus under any circumstances. Crime is wrong, you should kill the living offender. <<sigh>> Wrong=can' t end life, wrong=end life. Which one is it?

(very important note. Partial-birth abortions are disgusting and reprehensible and I would never encourage abortion. I simply agree that it is not my right to decide for everyone what they can and can' t do)

I don' t throw around particular labels such as " nazi" or " troll" or some other statement unless there is real basis other then not appreciating someones point of view.

<<sigh>> Oh yeah, you are the very model of restraint.

Let' s see if I get it:
1) No Oil source (Venezuela problem).
2) Oil reserve running out.
3) Demand increases or is expected to increase.

Therefore, prices rise up. I' m no economy expert but this seems logical to me.
BTW, Phylum. As you said, the issue is life and -I assume- killing. Death penalty also falls in this category, whether it' s needed in your opinion or not. The point has been made not as a pro-abortion argument but as a way to make you see that if life is the subject in the way you put it then the discussion could be endless while we raise those type of silogisms.

I may just be blissfully ignorant, but doesn' t most of the oil we get come from Venezuela or thereabouts?

I so wish I hadn' t used oil as an example at this point. I shoulda went with cabbage.

Yeah, and they are on strike, if I' m not mistaken. That' s why the US oil resources are running out, it just adds to the problem.

ORIGINAL: InukSean

I simply agree that it is not my right to decide for everyone what they can and can' t do)

Therefore having no moral backbone whatsoever... if you can' t see the difference between abortion and telling someone whom they can date, what they can where, and how they should live... then you will never understand it.

ORIGINAL: Landon


Therefore having no moral backbone whatsoever... if you can' t see the difference between abortion and telling someone whom they can date, what they can where, and how they should live... then you will never understand it.

Oh really...is that it? Thank you for quantifying my moral standing. So mighty <<insert stereotypical label here>> of you...

I prefer to think that many, many people become pregnant for reasons you couldn' t possibly understand (adolescent neediness, revenge, etc...) all the way through to reasons so vile I don' t even wish to consider them (incest, rape, etc...). Not to mention sheer stupidity. It' s not all rich girls who decide that the baby will make them grow out of their prom dress who are looking for abortions as a solution to an embarassing problem, you know.

I would rather see people be allowed a choice than see them be required to become horrible parents of a child they are incapable of raising or hate the child that was created out of a brutal visit from a rapist or disturbed family number (which increases the chance of just murdering them later when they end up on death row). I would rather see children receive responsibility education that will reduce the poissibility of unwanted pregnancy than see those same children be butchered by back-alley monsters.

It' s idealistic and utopian, but it doesn' t mean I don' t wish it just the same. My morality is just fine thank you.

More times than not, abortion is not an answer, but it needs to remain legal for those times when it is the only answer.

Damn. Shit. Fuck. I got sucked into the arguement after all.

ORIGINAL: Phylum Tardigrada

Bottom line: this war is wrong and this war is un-American.

ahaha - what a joke this is, wasting space as far as I am concerned.


Dave Mathews

Remember that time I proved you wrong about something with a well cited news article and then you called me anti-american? That was awesome.

I would just like to say that this is my longest thread ever. [/proud papa]

Seeing some of the insanity in it, though, I would much rather have my Joe Millionaire threads last this long instead.

OK, here' s why gas prices went up...

The prices have gone up now because those who control the prices are expecting a shortage in the near future. Thus, gradually raising prices now will be easier on the public.

Demand for gas in almost perfectly inelastic for small price changes, meaning that the public will generally buy the same amount of gas if the price is fluctuating at a publicly determined " reasonable" rate.

On the other hand, demand a near necessity such as gas is relatively elastic when it comes to significantly large price changes. People will buy lots of gas if the price dropped in a big way, or won' t buy that much if the price increases in a similar fashion.

So...

If war broke out all of a sudden without the gas market anticipating the supply shortage and preparing for it accordingly, it would be very bad for business. This way, the market stays as close to equilibrium as possible.

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P.S. - I hope this is right. I' m a first-year Commerce student, and it' d be kind of embarrassing.

I prefer to think that many, many people become pregnant for reasons you couldn' t possibly understand (adolescent neediness, revenge, etc...) all the way through to reasons so vile I don' t even wish to consider them (incest, rape, etc...).

Reasons " you" couldn' t possibly understand? I' d like to believe I that I couldn' t believe you could say this. Why is it everything anyone else says that you don' t agree with must be ignorant or completely something they can' t comprehend?

Not to mention sheer stupidity. It' s not all rich girls who decide that the baby will make them grow out of their prom dress who are looking for abortions as a solution to an embarassing problem, you know.

Yes, sheer stupidity of the post entirely. Why is everything rich or poor to you? Embarassing problem? Gee, this really shows how important human life is when you consider child birth and pregnancy an " embarassing problem."

I would rather see people be allowed a choice than see them be required to become horrible parents of a child they are incapable of raising or hate the child that was created out of a brutal visit from a rapist or disturbed family number (which increases the chance of just murdering them later when they end up on death row).

Thats the spirit, kill them before they get onto death row. How you' ve just entirely judged the entire potential life of an unborn child and then condemned it to death because it might not have a productive life or be happy.

I would rather see children receive responsibility education that will reduce the poissibility of unwanted pregnancy than see those same children be butchered by back-alley monsters.

Education is great, fine educate people but not with ignorance on subjects like these.

It' s idealistic and utopian, but it doesn' t mean I don' t wish it just the same. My morality is just fine thank you.

You consider it idealistic and utopian to kill unborn children because they might grow up and end up on death row?

More times than not, abortion is not an answer, but it needs to remain legal for those times when it is the only answer.

You are right, abortian is not often the answer, but abortion IS used as after thought birth control.

I seriously don' t understand how someone can be so " passionate" about the Iraqi' s when they can' t be about unborn children.

Remember that time I proved you wrong about something with a well cited news article and then you called me anti-american? That was awesome.

I think you are smoking something. Are you returning to do more Dell commercials?

You know, I really don' t like this connotation that a celebrity, performer, etc has no right to speak his/her mind on matters of politics and things of such grave national concern as invading another country. They' re Americans too - you know that whole " we the people" thing... The government is supposed to be making the decisions that the people want made, not making their own and then compelling citizens to be " with us or against us" . The insinuation that the goverment knows better how to run the country than the citizens is utter bullshit - the government is supposed to be elected from the general population. Sadly, we seem to be moving farther and farther away from that ideal and closer to a democratic oligarchy here where the same class of " career politicians" are shoo-ins for every election. If any American citizen wishes to publically criticize the goverment' s stance on something, there' s absolutely nothing wrong with that and in fact our founders expected it and protected that right in the Constitution.

I don' t like this war - this could easily turn in to a military quagmire the likes of which we haven' t seen since Vietnam. We' re supposed to believe it' s gonna be easy to hunt down Saddam in the streets of Baghdad while dealing with his elite guard, 10+ body doubles, and the brainwashed citizens who may very well fight us with everything they' ve got?

Don' t get me wrong, I will most definitely support our troops when the shots start. (my dad is ex Military as are two generations back from him) I just don' t think this is the best thing to be doing right now. What happened to finding Osama and Mullah Omar? Bush doesn' t want to admit that we can' t find them, so he' ll direct attention to someone he thinks he can find like Saddam. Then what happens when we don' t find him? Do we go to North Korea or Iran and start launching ICBMs to effect " regime change" there? Where does this stop? Bush has no plan for paying for all of this, (it' s not even mentioned in the budget, which is already over by a staggering amount) we have no exit strategy, and the American ecconomy is on the verge of meltdown. I find it very curious that Bush wouldn' t spend the money to bail out United and American Airlines after they were both crippled financialy by 9/11, yet he' ll write a blank check to go invade Iraq. United is most likely going to go completely out of business and be liquidated within a year and my dad will lose his job with no way to go to another airline. (American is expected to file Ch 11 within the next 3 months) He' ll be finished, he' s 50 and has very specialized skills that don' t apply to any other occupation. These are the number one and two airlines in the world and the backbone of our transportation system - how can Bush ignore this and let them all go under? Why isn' t the government helping us first before they go over to the other side of the world to exact " regime change" ?

Hope you guys can see where I' m coming from here...

Ryan

Tabs -

You know, I really don' t like this connotation that a celebrity, performer, etc has no right to speak his/her mind on matters of politics and things of such grave national concern as invading another country.

Not speaking for others (I know I probably couldn' t if I wanted to.

I think that the idea isn' t that someone who is an American can' t voice their opinion, I think its just that their opinion isn' t any more or less valid then other Americans even though people hold it up high like they do.

Also anyone who markets themselves for entertainment or as a company puts their career at risk with support of some views, this may not be something that could hurt his career, but hard stances on issues could. For instance, Jane Fonda is a prime example, she alienated herself from several generations of Americans by telling the enemy not to worry because we would soon surrender.

ORIGINAL: Phylum Tardigrada

Remember that time I proved you wrong about something with a well cited news article and then you called me anti-american? That was awesome.

I think you are smoking something. Are you returning to do more Dell commercials?

Tee hee

ORIGINAL: CarletonBComm

OK, here' s why gas prices went up...

The prices have gone up now because those who control the prices are expecting a shortage in the near future. Thus, gradually raising prices now will be easier on the public.

Demand for gas in almost perfectly inelastic for small price changes, meaning that the public will generally buy the same amount of gas if the price is fluctuating at a publicly determined " reasonable" rate.

On the other hand, demand a near necessity such as gas is relatively elastic when it comes to significantly large price changes. People will buy lots of gas if the price dropped in a big way, or won' t buy that much if the price increases in a similar fashion.

So...

If war broke out all of a sudden without the gas market anticipating the supply shortage and preparing for it accordingly, it would be very bad for business. This way, the market stays as close to equilibrium as possible.

----------

P.S. - I hope this is right. I' m a first-year Commerce student, and it' d be kind of embarrassing.

I' m not saying you' re wrong, but that just isn' t logical to me. First of all, where is the increased demand going to suddenly come from? The military? Or are people going to just start using their SUVs more because the US is at war? Secondly, the oil market is like the stock market in that prices can fluctuate based on current events, recent performance, earnings reports, etc. If the war with Iraq is about gaining control of Iraq' s oil as Dave Matthews has stated, wouldn' t the price go down on the news that the US is going to have an unlimited supply of " free" oil? Greater supply + the same demand should = lower prices based on my knowledge of economics.

First of all, where is the increased demand going to suddenly come from?

I think it' s not so much that demand will increase, but that supply will go down (or it' s at least expected to, which is why I have to pay $1.88 a gallon now)

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ORIGINAL: guitargeek

First of all, where is the increased demand going to suddenly come from?

I think it' s not so much that demand will increase, but that supply will go down (or it' s at least expected to, which is why I have to pay $1.88 a gallon now)

That' s part of my point though. If the entities that set oil pricing really believed that the US was going to suddenly have a glut of oil by stealing it from Iraq, then the prices should drop exponentially. I think the real reason is because those in the oil industry who know the business know that the US isn' t going to take control of another country' s oil. In other words, history has shown them that the US doesn' t go to war to steal other countries' oil.

Phylum, Phylum, Phylum...

Twist away. You can' t bring yourself to consider anything but your own rigid view, so you twist anything anyone says into something you CAN argue about.

Reasons " you" couldn' t possibly understand? I' d like to believe I that I couldn' t believe you could say this. Why is it everything anyone else says that you don' t agree with must be ignorant or completely something they can' t comprehend?

" You" means YOU aren' t a female. You can' t be pregnant, you can' t make that mistake, you can' t be raped, you can' t understand. And you wasn' t you anyway, it was Landon.

Ignorance was neither accused nor implied. Most of my debates contain questions and not statements. I invite others to explain their viewpoint to me. I wish I could say the same about you.

It has nothing to do with what I agree with, it' s just debating in the hopes someone can constructively recognize a different viewpoint.

Yes, sheer stupidity of the post entirely. Why is everything rich or poor to you? Embarassing problem? Gee, this really shows how important human life is when you consider child birth and pregnancy an " embarassing problem."

You have called me stupid because we share differing viewpoints--utterly stupid actually. And I thought you don' t attack and label.

Again...the example problem. You don' t know how to recognize when an example is just an example and not an attack on a group of people. I have nothing against rich people.

Yes...I consider it an " embarassing problem" . Way to pull two words out of an example and twist it. It couldn' t be further opposite the point I made.

Thats the spirit, kill them before they get onto death row. How you' ve just entirely judged the entire potential life of an unborn child and then condemned it to death because it might not have a productive life or be happy.

Ok...so now I' m advocating killing unborn children because I think they will end up on death row. That' s very funny. Unreal.

Education is great, fine educate people but not with ignorance on subjects like these.

So responsibility education is ignorant? Is that what you' re saying? Do you not advocate the education of people to be responsible enough to NOT get pregnant in the first place?

You consider it idealistic and utopian to kill unborn children because they might grow up and end up on death row?

I am a Father...If you think that I consider abortion as idealistic and utopian and that I don' t care about unborn children, you are sick and twisted. Most of your twisting is humorous, while this assertion is nothing but high-grade fucked up.I hope you have no children if you can accuse someone else of this. The education is what I was labeling idealistic and utopian.

You are right, abortian is not often the answer, but abortion IS used as after thought birth control.

Yes. It is very sad that people use abortion as a birth control afterthought, but there are just so many situations and reasons in which a person gets pregnant without planning that neither you nor I should judge what they can and can' t do about it. I' d rather that the child be born and adopted in almost all those cases, but, unlike you, I don' t feel I have any right to make that choice for someone.

I seriously don' t understand how someone can be so " passionate" about the Iraqi' s when they can' t be about unborn children.

It' s because you seriously just don' t EVER understand anything anyone is saying to you. If anyone' s opinion differs just the slightest bit, you twist it up so much to meet your ideal that you lose your understanding of what it is the other person said to you. How many people have to tell you the same thing before you sit back and see it? Nobody is asking you to change your opinion, but just to simply accept that others have a different opinion than you.

Don' t give a damn about what he says, as long as the music is as great as it is

ORIGINAL: InukSean

Don' t get involved...But Sean, the Conservi-trolls are attacking...DON' T get involved...But Sean, the " pro-war" people are calling themselves the " pro-doing-the-right-thing" people...DON' T GET INVOLVED!...BUT SEAN!!! PHYLUM PULLED ABORTION OUT OF HIS BAG OF PARTY-LINE REBUTTALS IN AN EFFORT TO DEFLECT THE REAL ARGUEMENT!!! SAY SOMETHING!!!...10...9...8...7...6...ahhhhhh...I feel better.

AHAHAHHAHAHA...sorry I am a little late on this one but:

Phylum:

ORIGINAL: InukSean

Don' t get involved...But Sean, the Conservi-trolls are attacking...DON' T get involved...But Sean, the " pro-war" people are calling themselves the " pro-doing-the-right-thing" people...DON' T GET INVOLVED!...BUT SEAN!!! PHYLUM PULLED ABORTION OUT OF HIS BAG OF PARTY-LINE REBUTTALS IN AN EFFORT TO DEFLECT THE REAL ARGUEMENT!!! SAY SOMETHING!!!...10...9...8...7...6...ahhhhhh...I feel better.

If this doesn' t end up being the quote of the week, it will only be because God showed up and posted thoughts on this matter. Or a really cool crab dip recipe.

dt

Maybe if the people who are " Anti-War" were so against killing children, they should instead of trying to fight the removal of a mass murderer, end ABORTION! More humans die to abortion then would from this war

I think this country needs to rethink where it puts its focus. We tell people who know that they cant take care of a child that they have to have it no matter what, ( and yes, I realize that they could put the child up for adoption), but continue to let these fucking idiots who get preganant and then drink, smoke, do drugs, and whatever else they get their hands into raise a fucked up child that , more than likely, produces nothing and becomes a thorn in America' s side. I know this is not always the case, but 9 times out of 10 ,it is!

I dont want it to sound like im making a point against life of the right to choose, but this country has got to do a better job of picking its fights. If you are going to tackle something, atleast start at the bottom.

ORIGINAL: Meteornotes


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If this doesn' t end up being the quote of the week, it will only be because God showed up and posted thoughts on this matter. Or a really cool crab dip recipe.

dt

Someone needs to tell Cleffer that, but...

I think I may need to defer that honor to you. You managed to incorporate God and crab dip into one cohesive thought and have it make absolute sense.