Carlos Mencia a fraud?

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (icepick3383)

Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:57:49 GMT

ORIGINAL: DoctorX

I wouldn't call him a "protege," but they did work together quite a bit while growing up. Eventually Hicks moved to LA, and then back to Texas, where he took up with Ron Shock and Sam Kinson. I dunno if he associated with Stanhope anymore after that, and I'm not really familiar with Stanhope's matieral.

OO: Sorry, but I looked it up, and Rogan's history in comedy predates his work on Fear Factor by several years. I also like quite a bit of what he's done as a regular commedian, but his work on TV bores me to tears. The Bob Saggat comparisson is a fitting one. He's not some famous TV hack who decided he could parlay his career into comedy. He's a solid commedian who became famous doing banal humor on primetime.

Bio info on Rogan:

http://realitytv.about.com/od/realitytvjudges/a/JoeRogan.htm

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-305360-bio--Joe-Rogan

AMEN!

and amen about the Stanhope comments. He's hysterical and very smart. Unfortunately, Stanhope and Rogan are 2 alpha males and right there doesn't make for a great comedy tandem. You need a guy who's alpha like Corrola and Kimmel who's basically the straight man who will sort of step back and let the other guy go off.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (MrQuotes)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:32:21 GMT

ORIGINAL: PathosBob

Tons of people have no idea who Bill Hicks was either, which is a shame really, but a fact nonetheless.

this is both true and infuriating

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (DoctorX)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:58:55 GMT

I wouldn't call him a "protege," but they did work together quite a bit while growing up. Eventually Hicks moved to LA, and then back to Texas, where he took up with Ron Shock and Sam Kinson. I dunno if he associated with Stanhope anymore after that, and I'm not really familiar with Stanhope's matieral.

OO: Sorry, but I looked it up, and Rogan's history in comedy predates his work on Fear Factor by several years. I also like quite a bit of what he's done as a regular commedian, but his work on TV bores me to tears. The Bob Saggat comparisson is a fitting one. He's not some famous TV hack who decided he could parlay his career into comedy. He's a solid commedian who became famous doing banal humor on primetime.

Bio info on Rogan:

http://realitytv.about.com/od/realitytvjudges/a/JoeRogan.htm

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-305360-bio--Joe-Rogan

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (los monster)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:53:57 GMT

ORIGINAL: PathosBob

I still can't believe Kimmel's nailing Sarah Silverman. Either he's...well endowed...or she's REALLY desperate.

in her own words: "[she] goes for the fat guys, because... they try harder."

AFA Mencia goes, i've definitely heard his some of his material elsewere. and the name thing is true, he really is Ned whatever. he used to be a regular on the rock morning show here and they confronted him about it once. he did not deny his "real" name but brought up the aunt/uncle east LA thing.

sometimes his things are funny and sometimes they're not.

i've seen Standhope's set a few times. truly funny but also makes you think. i could see him being compared w/ hicks

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (StolenItalianIce)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:47:24 GMT

Carlos Mencia sucks. I did the same thing to him that I did to George Lopez. When I turned on Comedy Central and saw him, I said to myself "Gee, I wonder if the joke he is about to tell is going to involve a comparison between hispanic culture and some other culture". About 5 seconds later the first thing that came out of his mouth was "see, the thing about Mexicans is...". I turned it off before he could finish. Right to the next channel.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Savafan1)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:47:09 GMT

ORIGINAL: ytsejay

I find it pretty ironic that Rogan and Stanhope are FAR, FAR better and MUCH MORE polished comedians than Kimmel or Carolla ever have been or will ever be, yet they seem to be blamed for the demise of a show that was humorless at best to begin with. Perhaps it's the writers/producers who are to blame for the show's awfulness... Wait those roles were filled be Kimmel and Carolla. Hmmm.....

I would say the biggest difference is the chemistry between them, Kimmel and Corolla work well together, Rogan and Stanhope don't. The Man Show should have ended when Jimmy left.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (PathosBob)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:41:58 GMT

Tons of people have no idea who Bill Hicks was either, which is a shame really, but a fact nonetheless. When Stanhope got The Man Show gig, about a dozen people knew him. Bad idea on Comedy Central's part. At least watchers knew Rogan from Talk Radio. I'm not saying he ain't got the goods. He just lacked (still lacks?) recognizability. I stand by my "complete nobody" statement.

And since when do stand-ups get "proteges"? Is it like an understudy who fills in if the main guy falls ill? Or more of an apprentice a'la that Yojii guy from Miami Ink?

EDIT to comment on your edit: I agree with this. Kimmel and Carolla suck ass. I still can't believe Kimmel's nailing Sarah Silverman. Either he's...well endowed...or she's REALLY desperate.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (ytsejay)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:33:39 GMT

ORIGINAL: PathosBob

Come on now! That wasn't Rogan's fault. It was pairing him with a complete nobody. Talk about careers slipping, the only way that guy gets any is by saying, "Hey. I did that one Girls Gone Wild video. Maybe you saw the commercial?" And even then, it's probably with a shit-faced-drunk 24 y/o spring-breaker (the one all the other guys have passed over), and EVEN THEN after a roofie colada. He's the reason The Man Show failed.

So perhaps you were unaware that the "complete nobody" of which you speak, Doug Stanhope, was a protege of Bill Hicks and actually the current cornerstone performer on the label Hicks founded before his death. Stanhope is one of the more "offensive" comedians out there and such a huge supporter and proponent of personal freedoms his act is often cited by Libertarians. Either way, Stanhope's material is light years away from his mainstream stuff a la Man Show/Girls Gone Wild. Same with Rogan and Fear Factor... People need to eat here.

I find it pretty ironic that Rogan and Stanhope are FAR, FAR better and MUCH MORE polished comedians than Kimmel or Carolla ever have been or will ever be, yet they seem to be blamed for the demise of a show that was humorless at best to begin with. Perhaps it's the writers/producers who are to blame for the show's awfulness... Wait those roles were filled be Kimmel and Carolla. Hmmm.....

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (PathosBob)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:12:36 GMT

Come on now! That wasn't Rogan's fault. It was pairing him with a complete nobody. Talk about careers slipping, the only way that guy gets any is by saying, "Hey. I did that one Girls Gone Wild video. Maybe you saw the commercial?" And even then, it's probably with a shit-faced-drunk 24 y/o spring-breaker (the one all the other guys have passed over), and EVEN THEN after a roofie colada. He's the reason The Man Show failed.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Explosivo)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:49:16 GMT

Joe Rogan is a douche. Just look what happened to the man show.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Barry Burnside)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:39:53 GMT

I have no Idea about this name not being carlos mencia. But I have seen him steal other comics material with my own two eyes. I don't know if any of you watch his show but when he did the joke about the pictures of huricane katrina. where the white people are carying food and stuff and it says that they "found" food and supplies. But there was a black person carrying stuff in another picture and it says he was "looting". That joke was on Real Time with Bill Maher about 2 weeks earlier.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (paranoid70)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:19:48 GMT

Not that I am trying to defend Carlos Mencia or his show, but... an old friend of mine was on Mind of Mencia a few weeks back. He played "the last white man in the Barrio". It was actually a pretty funny skit. The guy, Ted, is a pretty funny comedian too, but never really caught a break.

Yeah, most of the Comedy Central shows are pretty weak. The two exceptions are obviously Chappelle show (RIP) and the Daily Show. However, none of them are as bad as Too Late w/ Adam Corrolla. Have you seen that one lately... he doesn't even have an audience anymore! Oh well, no one was laughing before, so you really don't notice the difference. (zing!) Somehow he has another show lined up on the Learning Channel. How does this guy keep finding work?

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (acos2)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:17:45 GMT

Joe Rogan is my hero. He is funny as hell, and NEVER hold anything back. His appearances on Opie and Anthony are priceless.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (petrucciator101)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:09:37 GMT

so are there like 2 sides here, some on rogan and some on mencia, wheres the beef? mm beef... this is very fun to read i might add

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (PathosBob)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:02:19 GMT

ORIGINAL: OblivionOcean

...but if you're going to call a comedian who is trying comedy which he is ultimately responsible for (his name is on the show)...

Apparently, it isn't really his name anyway... Not to belittle your point, just making an observation.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (icepick3383)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:00:08 GMT

ORIGINAL: OblivionOcean
I know that he has done other things and I am not really commenting on the validity of his claims since I'm not really sure how any of us could know one way or the other. But in terms of sucess as a comedian, I hardly call hosting a reality show like FF much of an acomplishment. Sure I can understand that he wants to make money etc, but to call another comedian a hack while you're nothing more than a glorified gameshow host is kinda lame. Honestly, game show host has to be one rung below prop-comic on the comedy food chain. Again his job does not invalidate or validate his claims, but if you're going to call a comedian who is trying comedy which he is ultimately responsible for (his name is on the show) a 'hack', then you had better not have some hack comedian job like Star Search host with safe scripted jokes.

Like I said, I don't know if Mencia is an ethnic fraud or a joke stealer, but at least he is out there trying his hand at comedic television. BTW I have seen Mencia's show, it made me chuckle a few times, but really it is just a poor man's version of the Chappelle show, excpet with Hispanic/Latino humor.

You keep forgetting that he's a successful stand up comedian and that gives him the right to critizise another comedian. What your saying is that since bob saget hosted America's Funniest Home Videos and was on Full House it somehow discounts his ability to be a good comedian outside of those paying vehicles? What your saying doesn't make sense.

Rogan made his bones on the comedy circuit. I don't get how him having a tv show makes his comedic talents less vaild. Do you think that chris rock wasn't funny because he hosted the Oscars? he didn't even write half of those jokes...yet his name was all over it. I really don't see your point here.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (OblivionOcean)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:55:48 GMT

ORIGINAL: icepick3383

ORIGINAL: OblivionOcean

I am no fan of Carlos Mencia, but honestly when your showbiz career consists of hosting "Fear factor" then perhaps you should not make judgements about other people's careers. At least Mencia is doing a comedy show (good, bad or mediocore) with his comedy and name on it, rather than hosting one of the worst examples of reality tv in a time when the measuring stick for reality show quality is not that high. When the reality show fad wears off FF and Rogan will surely be at the butt of many jokes.

Rogan's a stand-up comic...and he's acted in News Radio...I hardly would call rogan anything but successful. I mean, he's been doing Fear Factor for 6 seasons, getting paid handsomely for it and does stand up. I think he's in a pretty good position to critique just about anybody.

oh and if mencia is indeed stealing jokes, how does Rogan's career choice make that any different? I wonder if the Rogan interview is on OAVirus because you've got to hear it to really get the jist of how hackey mencia is.

I know that he has done other things and I am not really commenting on the validity of his claims since I'm not really sure how any of us could know one way or the other. But in terms of sucess as a comedian, I hardly call hosting a reality show like FF much of an acomplishment. Sure I can understand that he wants to make money etc, but to call another comedian a hack while you're nothing more than a glorified gameshow host is kinda lame. Honestly, game show host has to be one rung below prop-comic on the comedy food chain. Again his job does not invalidate or validate his claims, but if you're going to call a comedian who is trying comedy which he is ultimately responsible for (his name is on the show) a 'hack', then you had better not have some hack comedian job like Star Search host with safe scripted jokes.

Like I said, I don't know if Mencia is an ethnic fraud or a joke stealer, but at least he is out there trying his hand at comedic television. BTW I have seen Mencia's show, it made me chuckle a few times, but really it is just a poor man's version of the Chappelle show, excpet with Hispanic/Latino humor.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (icepick3383)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:42:29 GMT

ORIGINAL: OblivionOcean

I am no fan of Carlos Mencia, but honestly when your showbiz career consists of hosting "Fear factor" then perhaps you should not make judgements about other people's careers. At least Mencia is doing a comedy show (good, bad or mediocore) with his comedy and name on it, rather than hosting one of the worst examples of reality tv in a time when the measuring stick for reality show quality is not that high. When the reality show fad wears off FF and Rogan will surely be at the butt of many jokes.

Rogan's a stand-up comic...and he's acted in News Radio...I hardly would call rogan anything but successful. I mean, he's been doing Fear Factor for 6 seasons, getting paid handsomely for it and does stand up. I think he's in a pretty good position to critique just about anybody.

oh and if mencia is indeed stealing jokes, how does Rogan's career choice make that any different? I wonder if the Rogan interview is on OAVirus because you've got to hear it to really get the jist of how hackey mencia is.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (renzdrummer)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:40:45 GMT

ORIGINAL: OblivionOcean

I am no fan of Carlos Mencia, but honestly when your showbiz career consists of hosting "Fear factor" then perhaps you should not make judgements about other people's careers. At least Mencia is doing a comedy show (good, bad or mediocore) with his comedy and name on it, rather than hosting one of the worst examples of reality tv in a time when the measuring stick for reality show quality is not that high. When the reality show fad wears off FF and Rogan will surely be at the butt of many jokes.

Dude, he was on Talk Radio . . .

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (OblivionOcean)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:28:33 GMT

I am no fan of Carlos Mencia, but honestly when your showbiz career consists of hosting "Fear factor" then perhaps you should not make judgements about other people's careers. At least Mencia is doing a comedy show (good, bad or mediocore) with his comedy and name on it, rather than hosting one of the worst examples of reality tv in a time when the measuring stick for reality show quality is not that high. When the reality show fad wears off FF and Rogan will surely be at the butt of many jokes.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Bruins)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:22:40 GMT

I heard a clip of Joe Rogan today bashing Tara Reid on WAAF (Boston) he said "Tara's (nether-region) probably smells like a room in an old age home." I almost crashed my car...he is hilarious!!!

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (icepick3383)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 07:54:29 GMT

ORIGINAL: Wicked Lester

the IMBD profile has been changed in the last week, google Ned Holness

O&A have proven that IMDB entries aren't entirely accurate and if mencia was truly hiding something he can have his entry modified to say whatever he wants.

I listened to the Rogan episode...freaking hysterical.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Wicked Lester)

Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:59:43 GMT

the IMBD profile has been changed in the last week, google Ned Holness

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (BKJ2005)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:25:13 GMT

What if this is all one big joke. That is to say that these guys are really friends and these posts are staged.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (InsertCreativityHere)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:22:51 GMT

OK, I have a question. If this guy is yanking other people's routines, why not yank something that's funny? I watched two episodes of this show and felt dumber for having done so. My grandmother with a couple of margaritas in her is funnier than this guy.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (super_mole)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:13:57 GMT

Carlos Mencia = Fraud + Annoying As Hell
Joe Rogan = Not Funny
Joe Rogan + Carlos Mencia = Comedy Central Going Downhill

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (DreamTheater36)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:10:07 GMT

How interesting...

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (samschoice)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:53:29 GMT

the hell with these stupid, lame episodes.

i will be happy if comedy central put more Chris Rock stand-up comedy shows. THis stand-ups are by far the best ones i have seen.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (BigDrahma)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:38:03 GMT

Carlos Mencia may be a fraud, but Rogan is genuinely unfunny, and (judging by his blog) functionally illiterate and clueless about computers. Nice use of line breaks, dude. What is this, a 1995 vanity page? Why not make all the text blink? I'm surprised there's no fucking dancing hamsters.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Ragutis)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:22:11 GMT

ORIGINAL: leeferdude

from IMDb:

Carlos Mencia was born Ned Mencia on October 22nd 1967 in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His mother, Magdelena Mencia, from Mexico & his father, Roberto Holness, from Honduras came to America when Carlos was about 3-7 months old and decided to give Carlos to his aunt and uncle Consuelo and Pablo Mencia who lived next door to raise as their own because they weren't able to have children of their own plus his birth-parents small house was so packed already because his mother had so many children... They renamed him Carlos. Carlos grew up most of his life in the Maravilla Projects of East L.A.. Because of his exceptional school grades he had the chance to be skipped up to 10th Grade after the 6th Grade, but for fear of the older kids turning him on to the gang culture and thug life that dominated East Los Angeles he was sent to live in Seiko, Honduras between the ages 12 & 15. Carlos says he was a good kid, and managed to stay out of any serious trouble with the help of his family. Being the 17th of 18 children, he always found family to be of the "utmost importance". After returning back to East L.A. he graduated high school and attended Cal State L.A. where he majored in electronic engineering.

He eventually left school to pursue a career in comedy one credit shy of his degree. He then hit some of the hottest venues on the stand up circuit, such as The Comedy Store, The Laugh Factory, and The L.A. Cabaret. He earned the title of "International Comedy Grand Champion" from Buscando Estrellas (the Latino version of Star Search). This led to appearances on In Living Color, The Arsenio Hall Show, and An Evening at the Improv. In 1994 Carlos hosted HBO's series, "Loco Slam". His first album "Take A Joke, America" was released in 2000 by Warner Bros to major success. In 2001 Carlos headlined the "Three Amigos" tour with popular comedians Pablo Fransisco and Freddy Soto. In 2005, he became the host of his second television show "Mind Of Mencia" on Comedy Central.

Well, there you go... he identifies with Mexicans from his time in East L.A. and because only Guatemalans and Nicaraguans laugh at Honduran jokes.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (SoulMine)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:06:48 GMT

I can't stand it that everyone is now saying that "dooo di dooooo." People took Chappelle's "I'm Rick James bitch!" too far and they're probably going to do the same with this...

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (leeferdude)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:03:06 GMT

from IMDb:

Carlos Mencia was born Ned Mencia on October 22nd 1967 in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His mother, Magdelena Mencia, from Mexico & his father, Roberto Holness, from Honduras came to America when Carlos was about 3-7 months old and decided to give Carlos to his aunt and uncle Consuelo and Pablo Mencia who lived next door to raise as their own because they weren't able to have children of their own plus his birth-parents small house was so packed already because his mother had so many children... They renamed him Carlos. Carlos grew up most of his life in the Maravilla Projects of East L.A.. Because of his exceptional school grades he had the chance to be skipped up to 10th Grade after the 6th Grade, but for fear of the older kids turning him on to the gang culture and thug life that dominated East Los Angeles he was sent to live in Seiko, Honduras between the ages 12 & 15. Carlos says he was a good kid, and managed to stay out of any serious trouble with the help of his family. Being the 17th of 18 children, he always found family to be of the "utmost importance". After returning back to East L.A. he graduated high school and attended Cal State L.A. where he majored in electronic engineering.

He eventually left school to pursue a career in comedy one credit shy of his degree. He then hit some of the hottest venues on the stand up circuit, such as The Comedy Store, The Laugh Factory, and The L.A. Cabaret. He earned the title of "International Comedy Grand Champion" from Buscando Estrellas (the Latino version of Star Search). This led to appearances on In Living Color, The Arsenio Hall Show, and An Evening at the Improv. In 1994 Carlos hosted HBO's series, "Loco Slam". His first album "Take A Joke, America" was released in 2000 by Warner Bros to major success. In 2001 Carlos headlined the "Three Amigos" tour with popular comedians Pablo Fransisco and Freddy Soto. In 2005, he became the host of his second television show "Mind Of Mencia" on Comedy Central.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Tabs)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:56:36 GMT

bakerman and I were just commenting a few weeks ago when he was out here in Tucson about how fake Mencia's whole act is - he's got this Spanish accent one second, then it's gone the next, overuse of the word "beaner" etc... Comedy Central should just dump him and give us a full hour of Jon Stewart.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Ragutis)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:33:41 GMT

I used to love Mencia... saw him live a few times and heard him often on Lex & Terry... hilarious IMHO, although seemed to be losing the funny a bit the last time. Always seemed to be a great guy though. Don't know about him stealing jokes, but his delivery is awesome and that's probaly just as or more important to a stand-up than the jokes. However, his new show is lame as hell... there's been funny moments, but I got over it by about halfway into episode 3. As for the joke stealing, well I'd want to hear it from at least a few more sources before deciding... it could just as easily be a personal grudge or fued.

Rogan's hilarious too, but haven't had a chance to catch him live. I'm glad the Fear Factor thing happened for him, but I really would rather see him get the respect he deserves for his stand-up act. He was also classic on Talk Radio... that was such an awesome show... one of the best ensemble casts ever.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (SoundOfMuzak)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:10:37 GMT

Carlos Mecina is not funny

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (EVHwolfgang)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:09:24 GMT

I was listening to a George Lopez interview (on Howard Stern I think) and Lopez was basically asying the same thing - he's half German and 0% Mexican and he steals material all the time.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (Lee123)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:00:12 GMT

hahaha Joe Rogan is awsome.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (PathosBob)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:50:40 GMT

The Frank Show from Tucson got a shout out?! Wow, it must be getting big since I moved away.

RE: Carlos Mencia a fraud? (AlexRuimy)

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:35:54 GMT

Yeah, I saw something about him stealing a comedy bit too.